neckdemon Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Going by what you see? Might be time to see the eye doctor Arod. As of yesterday, Bullock is dead last in the NFL in touchback percentage. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/kickoff-touchback-pct BTW, Folk was next to dead last. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/kickoff-touchback-pct?date=2015-02-01 first of all that doesn't tell you how far the kicks went. Teams routinely take kicks that are 5 yds deep out. Also, if you sort for last 3 games the jets are in the middle of the pack, not last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Folk has been a great kicker here. We know he can make a big kick from distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Folk has been a great kicker here. We know he can make a big kick from distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Folk has been a great kicker here. We know he can make a big kick from distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 For the year, Folk has 13 TBs on 39 kick-offs (33.3%). Bullock has 11 TBs on 21 kick-offs (52.4%). And before you ask, Folk's career numbers are a touch under 20%, his last 4 years are 30.5%. Bullock is a touch under 50% (4 year career). FG wise- career for Folk is 80.6; Bullock is 81.7. If you take last 4 years only (to compare more accurately), Folk is 83.9 on FGs. Breaking down by distance (again, last 4 years) : Bullock 20-29 94.1% 30-39 91.3% 40-49 76.7% 50+ 50% Folk 20-29 96.8% 30-39 90.6% 40-49 60% 50+ 73.3% That's quite surprising, to me ... Folk has struggled at 40-49 (3 of 6 this year) but is very good from 50+ (2 of 2 this year). Even Folk's career number at 40-49 is lower than Bullock to date (71.1). So it depends what you're looking for ... Bullock is more reliable on the 40-49 kicks, but Folk has been superior on the 50+. I guess it comes down to Folk post-injury - can he still do it - and money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Going by what you see? Might be time to see the eye doctor Arod. As of yesterday, Bullock is dead last in the NFL in touchback percentage. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/kickoff-touchback-pct BTW, Folk was next to dead last. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/kickoff-touchback-pct?date=2015-02-01 could maybe be why Folk kicks field goals and doesn't often do punts or kickoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Last few seasons Folk has been great for us. If you have any problem with the guy it should be something along the lines of you don't agree with overpaying a kicker when you can get a younger one for a few years cheaper but Folk is one of the better kickers in the NFL maybe not a top tier kicker but I would say top 10 easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Fat boy! Sup Rillo? How can I help you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 For the year, Folk has 13 TBs on 39 kick-offs (33.3%). Bullock has 11 TBs on 21 kick-offs (52.4%). And before you ask, Folk's career numbers are a touch under 20%, his last 4 years are 30.5%. Bullock is a touch under 50% (4 year career). FG wise- career for Folk is 80.6; Bullock is 81.7. If you take last 4 years only (to compare more accurately), Folk is 83.9 on FGs. Breaking down by distance (again, last 4 years) : Bullock 20-29 94.1% 30-39 91.3% 40-49 76.7% 50+ 50% Folk 20-29 96.8% 30-39 90.6% 40-49 60% 50+ 73.3% That's quite surprising, to me ... Folk has struggled at 40-49 (3 of 6 this year) but is very good from 50+ (2 of 2 this year). Even Folk's career number at 40-49 is lower than Bullock to date (71.1). So it depends what you're looking for ... Bullock is more reliable on the 40-49 kicks, but Folk has been superior on the 50+. I guess it comes down to Folk post-injury - can he still do it - and money. Interesting. I'd like to see the number of kicks they pulled that percentage from as well. It's easy to have a 66% if you made 2 of 3 and are being compared to a guy who has made 20 of 3o or something like that. Numbers aren't my strong suit... nor is grammer....nor is science... nor is... what are some other subjects? Ahhhh yes. Memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Who cares about touchback percentage these days? I'd prefer kickers to kick it high and make the tackle before the 20 like when Westhoff was here. Folk is the best player we have on special teams. It's nice that Bullock has filled in capably off the kicker scrapheap, but over the course of his career he's been awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Who cares about touchback percentage these days? I'd prefer kickers to kick it high and make the tackle before the 20 like when Westhoff was here. Folk is the best player we have on special teams. It's nice that Bullock has filled in capably off the kicker scrapheap, but over the course of his career he's been awful. yeah, I still don't trust bullock. Like at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 And that is exactly what pissed me off. especially when you still have the best QB and HC on the field. Bill Belichick was on the field during the game? What position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Folk was obviously playing hurt since pre-season and finally couldn't tolerate it any more and had to be IR'ed. He is total money when healthy. If you recall he was cut by Dallas because he was missing due to injury, everyone was so worried about him when the Jets signed him. Lo and behold he had some time to heal and he became the team's most reliable player This Bullock has kicked well, for us, in a small sample size - but usually when there's a lynch mob running you out of town - life wasn't rosey. Folk was money for us (3rd best in Jets history) Touch-back ratio wasn't high but I'll take the guy who puts the points on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loluchka80 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I said pretty early in the season that our special teams needed to improve and specifically named Folk & Quigley as 2 guys & positions that we needed to upgrade. Quite a few people here ripped me for naming Folk as a player that was underachieving and asked who is available to replace him. Well guess what? you're still wrong? he wasn't replaced for underachieving (he wasn't). he was placed on IR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bitonti Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 the Jets don't even try long field goals with Bullock. WIth Folk they throw him out there for 50+ routinely. Also remember Folk is signed long term. So this "permanent" label is way premature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 the Jets don't even try long field goals with Bullock. WIth Folk they throw him out there for 50+ routinely. Also remember Folk is signed long term. So this "permanent" label is way premature. I thought Folk was one of our solidified positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Tx making threads unreadable again get a life dude your not even a jet fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clementi49 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Yea bullock has been reliable this year in his short time here. But no I don't get rid of a guy who has been consistently reliable over the years. Kicking in the playoffs as well. I don't think bullock has attempted anything over 50 yards yet has he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Who cares about touchback percentage these days? I'd prefer kickers to kick it high and make the tackle before the 20 like when Westhoff was here. Folk is the best player we have on special teams. It's nice that Bullock has filled in capably off the kicker scrapheap, but over the course of his career he's been awful. Agree. I'm usually one of those trying to find a way to clear cap room for new blood by cutting dead weight, but Folk isn't dead weight. So many games are decided by whether a kicker chokes or comes through in the clutch. This team doesn't have enough sure things as it is, so no need to create the absence of one over $2-3M we're probably going to blow on an unworthy backup level player or two anyway. Further, I wouldn't want our coach misguidedly/unnecessarily going for it on 4th down, instead of taking the sure 3 points, because he doesn't believe they are 3 sure points with Bullock. Folk isn't a 100% kicker, but he's money enough and has made a lot of pressure kicks for us. From 2013-2015 Folk has missed exactly one FG inside of 40 yards, and has never missed an XP in his 8.5 year career. Bullock missed 3 FGs inside 40 just last season alone, including one from inside 30, and got cut from Houston because he missed 2 of 5 XPs for them earlier this season. Bullock has been just fine for us (particularly for a mid-season pickup), and we could do worse than having him, but we can also do better -- and we already have better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 the Jets don't even try long field goals with Bullock. WIth Folk they throw him out there for 50+ routinely. Also remember Folk is signed long term. So this "permanent" label is way premature. Yep. It would make zero financial sense to cut Folk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Agree. I'm usually one of those trying to find a way to clear cap room for new blood by cutting dead weight, but Folk isn't dead weight. So many games are decided by whether a kicker chokes or comes through in the clutch. Yep. It's like having good free throw shooters in basketball. You don't realize how important they are until you let a good one go and acquire Rajon Rondo. Poor Kings fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Tx making threads unreadable again get a life dude your not even a jet fan What the hell you talking about? Was my post about what the thread topic was about? Did I post "real" stats that Larz requested? Did my information verify that Arod needs to see an optometrist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Yep. It's like having good free throw shooters in basketball. You don't realize how important they are until you let a good one go and acquire Rajon Rondo. Poor Kings fans. Looking it up on Jason's site now, it seems dumping Folk after this season doesn't even save as much as I thought. With the dead cap space that gets accelerated, it's barely $2M, about half of which will be eaten up immediately by re-signing Bullock to come back next season. So it saves us about $1M next year, give or take, which is about 0.7% of the salary cap. For a downgrade on the guy who can decide several games per season, I'm unmoved by that type of savings. If we can upgrade from Folk, with or without any cap savings, I'm all for it. But make sure it's actually an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Folk Hero, nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 This Bullock has kicked well, for us, in a small sample size - but usually when there's a lynch mob running you out of town - life wasn't rosey. Folk was money for us (3rd best in Jets history) Touch-back ratio wasn't high but I'll take the guy who puts the points on the board. Bullock was run out of town based on a small sample size, IMHO ... he missed 2 PATs and one FG earlier this year (and that's with the new PAT rules). Last year, although he missed one 20-29 and 2 30-39 kicks (the sort you could call "routine"), he hit 7 of 8 at 40-49 and 4 of 5 from 50+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 lol. how many of those weeks are folk ? get a clue dude Yeah.... I don't normally feed the trolls. But at least look at the link he put up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 And that is exactly what pissed me off. Injuries are always going to happen and they should never be used as an excuse, especially when you still have the best QB and HC on the field. You mean these guys? ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Going by what you see? Might be time to see the eye doctor Arod. As of yesterday, Bullock is dead last in the NFL in touchback percentage. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/kickoff-touchback-pct BTW, Folk was next to dead last. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/kickoff-touchback-pct?date=2015-02-01 Folk was 13 of 37 or 35% Bullock is 21 of 33 or 63% So I think you may be wrong . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I booed, and deservedly so. Watched the entire game unfortunately, worst effort by a Pats team in 10 years. And that is exactly what pissed me off. Injuries are always going to happen and they should never be used as an excuse, especially when you still have the best QB and HC on the field. What the hell you talking about? Was my post about what the thread topic was about? Did I post "real" stats that Larz requested? Did my information verify that Arod needs to see an optometrist? Yes if the thread topic was douchebaggery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Folk has been great for us for years. Bullock was a choking dog in Houston. I'm pleasantly surprised he;s has played well for us so far but in no way shape or form should be be planning to hang on to him as our long term kicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Folk has been great for us for years. Bullock was a choking dog in Houston. I'm pleasantly surprised he;s has played well for us so far but in no way shape or form should be be planning to hang on to him as our long term kicker. In his first year in Houston he was perfect from within 40 yards but missed 9 of 22 from 40+. Improved a lot in Year 2 - 30 / 35 (and 2 were blocks, not misses), going 19/22 within 40 yards and an impressive 11/13 from 40+. Year 3 (this year) he missed 1 FG and 2 PATs (from the longer distance) - and that got him cut. Has gone 6/6 for us so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I booed, and deservedly so. Watched the entire game unfortunately, worst effort by a Pats team in 10 years. so spoiled. Smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 the Jets don't even try long field goals with Bullock. WIth Folk they throw him out there for 50+ routinely. Also remember Folk is signed long term. So this "permanent" label is way premature. Not even that, but kickers don't exactly age quickly. Folk just turned 31 last month; he can play another 5-10 years. Didn't even realize until my post earlier, and it's not exactly the stuff of HOFers, but he's technically the most accurate XP kicker in NFL history. No one else has made as many XPs without ever missing one. Woo-hoo -- we have an all-time NFL history leader on the team, and not for bad/Jets reasons like usual! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Agree. I'm usually one of those trying to find a way to clear cap room for new blood by cutting dead weight, but Folk isn't dead weight. So many games are decided by whether a kicker chokes or comes through in the clutch. This team doesn't have enough sure things as it is, so no need to create the absence of one over $2-3M we're probably going to blow on an unworthy backup level player or two anyway. Further, I wouldn't want our coach misguidedly/unnecessarily going for it on 4th down, instead of taking the sure 3 points, because he doesn't believe they are 3 sure points with Bullock. Folk isn't a 100% kicker, but he's money enough and has made a lot of pressure kicks for us. From 2013-2015 Folk has missed exactly one FG inside of 40 yards, and has never missed an XP in his 8.5 year career. Bullock missed 3 FGs inside 40 just last season alone, including one from inside 30, and got cut from Houston because he missed 2 of 5 XPs for them earlier this season. Bullock has been just fine for us (particularly for a mid-season pickup), and we could do worse than having him, but we can also do better -- and we already have better. Damn that's good Sperm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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