Connor Cook or a DL

[varjet]

Following the developments of today, I am having a stronger Connor Cook feeling for the Jets.

I think the biggest obstacle to being a successful QB in the NFL is the mental aspect.  That is why many physical specimens fail, and Fitz is still playing.  I think Connor Cook has shown he can play in an NFL system.  Lynch will likely be gone when the Jets pick, and Cook will not be there when the Jets pick at 51.  Lynch is also a developmental QB.

The OLB and OTs will also be gone.  

That is just my gut.

[Villain The Foe]

2 minutes ago, varjet said:

Following the developments of today, I am having a stronger Connor Cook feeling for the Jets.

I think the biggest obstacle to being a successful QB in the NFL is the mental aspect.  That is why many physical specimens fail, and Fitz is still playing.  I think Connor Cook has shown he can play in an NFL system.  Lynch will likely be gone when the Jets pick, and Cook will not be there when the Jets pick at 51.  Lynch is also a developmental QB.

The OLB and OTs will also be gone.  

That is just my gut.

I'd prefer Cook than moving up and wreck our draft. 

 

Outside of a QB we need football players in general. Our biggest problem last season was special teams. We need football players, not just a QB. 

 

[SayNoToDMC]

Connor Cook has the mental aspect down? His teammates didn't vote him a captain as a senior QB and one of the knocks on him is leadership when things aren't going right. Also what real improvement has he shown? I was looking for it when he came back this year and saw nothing

[Sperm Edwards]

1 minute ago, Villain The Foe said:

I'd prefer Cook than moving up and wreck our draft. 

 

Outside of a QB we need football players in general. Our biggest problem last season was special teams. We need football players, not just a QB. 

 

If we draft a QB who works out for the next decade give or take, I don't want to hear a peep about not maximizing our f***ing special teams selections back in the 2016 draft.

[Villain The Foe]

1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

If we draft a QB who works out for the next decade give or take, I don't want to hear a peep about not maximizing our f***ing special teams selections back in the 2016 draft.

[dbatesman]

Another obstacle to being a successful QB in the NFL is completing less than 60% of your passes in the Big Ten.

[Joejet]

This will sound crazy and open me up to ridicule but I think Cook will prove to be either the best or second best QB of this draft.

[KRL]

Cook in my book isn't worth #20.  I would have no problem selecting him in round #2, he has tools and

he played in a pro style offense in college

[Pcola]

He never even approached 60% completions with NFL talent around him.  He is a non-charismatic version of Sanchez.  

 

Its Basically Lynch or wait another year.  

[Beerfish]

If the Jets take Cook at 20 I'd have to bite my lip and try and have faith in our front office evaluation but I wouldn't be happy and I can 100% guarantee you there would be a half dozen or more players I would rather have.

[Adoni Beast]

8 minutes ago, Joejet said:

This will sound crazy and open me up to ridicule but I think Cook will prove to be either the best or second best QB of this draft.

I don't think you're alone in that, just not the majority. I think that a lot of draft picks success is based on the team and system they end up in. Nature vs. Nurture, I think nurture is huge in the NFL, whereas there are some absolute athletic freaks that will succeed anywhere under any circumstance. 

If Cook goes to the right team he could be the best or 2nd best QB in this draft. I just don't think he'll ever be the QB that can carry a sh*tty team and win games on his own. 

[CrazyCarl40]

Never reach for a QB. Cook is a 3rd/4th rounder at best.

[Integrity28]

52 minutes ago, varjet said:

Following the developments of today, I am having a stronger Connor Cook feeling for the Jets.

I think the biggest obstacle to being a successful QB in the NFL is the mental aspect.  That is why many physical specimens fail, and Fitz is still playing.  I think Connor Cook has shown he can play in an NFL system.  Lynch will likely be gone when the Jets pick, and Cook will not be there when the Jets pick at 51.  Lynch is also a developmental QB.

The OLB and OTs will also be gone.  

That is just my gut.

Most reports say that outside of the top 15 picks, the next tier is about 75 players large and a total crapshoot. It's hard to definitively say that both the OLB and OT position groups will be "gone". If they are, it also suggests that position groups like CB might be pushed backward.

This draft is deep at DL, and so are the Jets. It would be stupid to use another 1st rounder on DL.

[BklynJetsFan85]

Connor Cook in round 2 - I'd be okay with it, but not thrilled - he has MAJOR accuracy concerns in the short/intermediate passing game... I've had enough of these inaccurate QBs to last me a lifetime. I'd feel much better if we took a project QB in the 3rd or 4th.

[Joe Jets fan]

Cook is going in the first round and may be gone when Jets pick at #20.

 

The capt. thing was explained.   He is NFL ready. 

[Beerfish]

4 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

Cook is going in the first round and may be gone when Jets pick at #20.

 

The capt. thing was explained.   He is NFL ready. 

You are living in a dream world.  I guess we shall see come draft day.

[BklynJetsFan85]

16 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

Cook is going in the first round and may be gone when Jets pick at #20.

 

The capt. thing was explained.   He is NFL ready. 

God help the GM of that team and keeping his job after he screws that one up lmao

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Never reach for a QB. Cook is a 3rd/4th rounder at best.

How does he compare to Matt Simms?

[ylekram]

1 hour ago, KRL said:

Cook in my book isn't worth #20.  I would have no problem selecting him in round #2, he has tools and

he played in a pro style offense in college

there's the problem. too early for #20. too late for #51

[YankeeJet22]

Just now, ylekram said:

there's the problem. too early for #20. too late for #51

Yep.  He'd be a candidate for the first pick in the 2nd round.

[Sperm Edwards]

8 minutes ago, YankeeJet22 said:

Yep.  He'd be a candidate for the first pick in the 2nd round.

I think that's why Cleveland is comfortable trying to see if they could also get a haul for their #2 overall pick. Though it's also possible Denver grabs him right before that.

[RutgersJetFan]

Cook is one of those guys that I'm positive he'll be awesome if the Jets don't draft him and terrible if they do.

[Sperm Edwards]

23 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Cook is one of those guys that I'm positive he'll be awesome if the Jets don't draft him and terrible if they do.

There's a name for those types of guys. I think they're called football players.

[bassmaster2]

The Jets have so many needs , OL , LB outside, inside ,CB ,there is no need to take another QB early in the draft

 

[RutgersJetFan]

20 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

There's a name for those types of guys. I think they're called football players.

I should actually amend that. Even if he is good, half of Jetland will eventually demand that we package him and a draft pick to move up 9 spots in the 2019 draft.

[T0mShane]

Spoiler alert: you're drafting a right tackle at 20 and trading up in the second round for a corner. Make your parade accommodations accordingly. 

[Joe Jets fan]

1 hour ago, bassmaster2 said:

The Jets have so many needs , OL , LB outside, inside ,CB ,there is no need to take another QB early in the draft

 

Early??    Like seven years ago?  Wtf.  Fans are just nuts

 

btw, nothing matters if you don't have a QB.  Nothing. 

[Pcola]

55 minutes ago, BklynJetsFan85 said:

God help the GM of that team and keeping his job after he screws that one up lmao

Rex and Whaley?  Just desperate enough.

[bassmaster2]

On ‎4‎/‎15‎/‎2016 at 8:07 PM, Joe Jets fan said:

Early??    Like seven years ago?  Wtf.  Fans are just nuts

 

btw, nothing matters if you don't have a QB.  Nothing. 

lets take a QB every 1 round pick ,there only 2 QB in the draft , and you can win with a average QB

[Villain The Foe]

On 4/14/2016 at 10:05 PM, CrazyCarl40 said:

Never reach for a QB. Cook is a 3rd/4th rounder at best.

The more tape I see the more im believing that. I just looked at Christian Hackenberg, Connor Cook, Paxton Lynch and Kevin Hogan's tape today. 

 

Kevin Hogan looks like the 3rd best QB in this draft class if you ask me. Im going to go through Wentz and Goff again as well. 

[TuscanyTile2]

On 4/14/2016 at 5:43 PM, Sperm Edwards said:

How does he compare to Matt Simms?

He's not as good.  But most QBs (pro and college) aren't

[TuscanyTile2]

On 4/14/2016 at 5:58 PM, RutgersJetFan said:

Cook is one of those guys that I'm positive he'll be awesome if the Jets don't draft him and terrible if they do.

He'll be a pro bowl QB if some other team drafts him.  He'll end up working as a cook if we draft him.

[flgreen]

On 4/14/2016 at 6:42 PM, bassmaster2 said:

The Jets have so many needs , OL , LB outside, inside ,CB ,there is no need to take another QB early in the draft

 

Agree.  Not if it's a reach just because it's a QB

[TuscanyTile2]

On 4/14/2016 at 3:46 PM, Sperm Edwards said:

If we draft a QB who works out for the next decade give or take, I don't want to hear a peep about not maximizing our f***ing special teams selections back in the 2016 draft.

Nonsense.  I'll take one Reyna Thompson (or Steve Tasker) over two Tom Brady's any day of the week.

[Sperm Edwards]

On April 14, 2016 at 6:43 PM, RutgersJetFan said:

I should actually amend that. Even if he is good, half of Jetland will eventually demand that we package him and a draft pick to move up 9 spots in the 2019 draft.

If the choice is between trading for top 50 value, and getting a comp pick of (present) 130-ish value, which we only get by steering clear of UFAs despite the additional cleared cap room...

It's a bit of an oversimplification to suggest the 2 choices are to either to keep him or to dump him for less than he's worth. Once it's determined the team can't reach an agreement with a player, the only thing that remains is whether we get more in return for losing him or whether we get less. 

We'd all want to get more than that in a trade, but if we take that then it means all 30 other teams either offered even less, or wouldn't offer anything at all.