Gangrene Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Steve Serby's wrote a short readable piece... it gives you an idea through the eyes of teammates where Christian H. is at with his progress ‘A cannon’: What Hackenberg’s Jets mates say about him By Steve Serby May 30, 2017 | 9:29pm When you ask Sheldon Richardson about the difference in Christian Hackenberg from a year ago, he won’t tell you there are five reasons the locker room is better this season … but he won’t rush to spout any sugarcoated party line either. “Slowly progressing … still got a little ways to go. … He’s getting better every day … that’s pretty much it. Slowly progressing, man,” Richardson said. “He still needs to get past the learning curve. It’s still too fast for him. But other than that, man, he’s still got a cannon. He’s firing it. When he’s on point, he’s on point, but when he’s not, he’s not, so got some growing still.” Coach Todd Bowles, following a 5-11 season, doesn’t have the time to wait for Hackenberg to grow up. It is why Josh McCown, if he still is standing at the end of training camp, will be the starter, and the open quarterback competition initially will be Hackenberg versus Bryce Petty for the No. 2 job. Hackenberg’s throwing motion appears noticeably smoother, but he still has yet to throw a regular-season pass in anger, and it remains true that Rome wasn’t built in a day. “Quicker release,” cornerback Buster Skrine said. “Way quicker. He used to wind up a little bit, but now it’s just out, out.” But for all the accurate throws Hackenberg makes on a cloudy day at the end of May — a beautiful deep ball that Charone Peake could have caught for a touchdown, for example — there are enough that remind you that Hackenberg wasn’t built in a day either. Or rebuilt in a day. “It’s still early,” Richardson said. “Ain’t no telling what he comes back and [does] in training camp, but it’s still early.” Richardson was asked about the difference in Petty, who worked third behind McCown and Hackenberg on Tuesday, from a year ago at this time. “Way better,” he said. “Him and Josh are going at it, they’re competing on every play.” Does Richardson think the quarterback battle is between McCown and Petty? “That’s just how I feel,” Richardson said. “Me personally.” Based on Bryce having more experience than Hackenberg? “Yeah, and actually by showing production on the field,” Richardson said. Except Petty (three touchdowns, seven interceptions, 56.4 completion percentage) hardly distinguished himself at the end of last season once the Ryan Fitzpatrick Era unceremoniously ended, nor did he distinguish himself at Tuesday’s OTA, for what it’s worth on a cloudy day at the end of May. His worst moment was a throw right to linebacker Randell Johnson. Petty’s best moment came when he threw a dime down the seam to rookie tight end Jordan Leggett. It drew a “Good shot!” from offensive coordinator John Morton. “It’s more of a competition mindset of, ‘OK, he made a great throw. I’m gonna make a better throw.’ That kind of thing,” Petty said. There is more invested in Hackenberg, the controversial 2016 second-round pick, than Petty, the 2015 No. 4 pick. Hackenberg likely will be The Chosen One — actually Chosen Two — if he learns the new offense quicker than Petty. “He’s reading things a lot faster,” Skrine said. Teammates can’t help but notice a change in Hackenberg’s body language. Modal Trigger Hackenberg and Bryce Petty (right) talk with the Jets quarterback coaches.Bill Kostroun “He learned from a guy that was really smart in Fitz, and so I think he’s taken that confidence over into this aspect,” receiver Quincy Enunwa said. “He has the ability to get it deep, short …” Hackenberg had a short pass that appeared to be tipped and dropped by rookie safety Jamal Adams, the Jets’ first-round draft pick. “Missed opportunity,” Adams said. “It came out wobbly. I definitely had to make the play.” Adams will be a Day 1 starter. Hackenberg didn’t see the field as a rookie. “Steps forward. … Last year, he probably didn’t know what to expect as a rookie coming in and all that stuff,” running back Matt Forte said, “but mentally, he’s getting better. Josh is a great guy for him to be around because he’s been around a long time and can give him so much wisdom and advice towards the game and towards being a quarterback, on and off the field. So he’s gonna keep growing.” Hackenberg is growing. Just not without the growing pains. “He’s doing a lot better with his decisions and everything,” safety Rontez Miles said. “Looking forward to see how these guys do in the preseason … when it counts.” When we’ll get a better read on whether Hackenberg truly can hack it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Richardson's mouth just never stops. Not a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win4ever Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Decent read, good to hear that his mechanics might be cleaner this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Whether it is good for Bowles or not ( and I think it is highly doubtful as he kinda sucks) McCown starting is not in the teams best interest, and it needs to be prevented by the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Good read. No Decker quotes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 4 hours ago, Maxman said: Richardson's mouth just never stops. Not a good thing. Lol your right . But hey this was reasonable compared to his normal antics .. intresting I guess he really like Petty .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 You would think the analysis would come from a wide receiver or a coach instead of a D-Lineman. Thanks anyway Shelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Having your defense think the quarterback sucks is never a bad thing and has never hurt us in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 IDK- Petty and Hackenberg just sound like one in the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 4 hours ago, Maxman said: Richardson's mouth just never stops. Not a good thing. yep, and you know the idiots like manish are going to zero in on him for "credible" news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Definitely some positives to take away from this. I hate Sheldon, and didn't really have a problem with his "slowly progressing" comment. Because Hack is slowly progressing or he'd be named starter already. Hacken's whole story before the draft was that he needed to slowly develop. But what was annoying was him saying Petty is ahead of him "to me anyway." I mean, leave the depth chart stuff for the coaches to speak on. And the whole "to me anway" part obviously means a lot of others on the team say Hack is ahead right now. Which again, just leave it alone Sheldon. Let them compete on their own without you comparing them. Focus on your own situation, because if you want to play your natural position all year, guess what? You'll be doing it as a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 If McCown sees the field for any reason other than Petty and Hack are injured, fire everyone. It would be beyond stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, JetPotato said: If McCown sees the field for any reason other than Petty and Hack are injured, fire everyone. It would be beyond stupid. Ten starts, minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Question.... Who is the more credible evaluator of talent at the QB position. Sheldon or McCaggnan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sciond Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 5 hours ago, Maxman said: Richardson's mouth just never stops. Not a good thing. wait until he gets a few stats...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 The "reports" on Hackenberg were to be expected, as stated before he set the bar so low if there wasn't visible immediate improvement that would've been scary. It's all about time, consistency and continued progress for him through the rest of the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Kleckineau said: Question.... Who is the more credible evaluator of talent at the QB position. Sheldon or McCaggnan? Depends if the qb is a ho or not. Sheldon is the authority on knowing where they are at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 hours ago, Scoop24 said: Lol your right . But hey this was reasonable compared to his normal antics .. intresting I guess he really like Petty .. The Jets should put together a video of everyone that had comments on the quarterback situation with Fitzpatrick last year and show it to the team. When the players realize that everyone who did that last year is now gone maybe they will learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 7 hours ago, Maxman said: Richardson's mouth just never stops. Not a good thing. 1 hour ago, sciond said: wait until he gets a few stats...... Someone puts a microphone in your face and asks you a question, you answer it. I don't have any issue with what Sheldon said. Now, if he goes running to reporters and just running his mouth then its a problem, but when people are asking him specific questions what do you expect him to do? I expect the responses to this post to be "he needs to say its up to the coaches"... "you have to ask the coaches" "don't say anything Sheldon" - - - - Calm --- down ---- people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 7 hours ago, Maxman said: Richardson's mouth just never stops. Not a good thing. I agree, but it's interesting that he seemed to give Petty a better grade then Hack as far as improvement from last year goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicg4360 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Ten starts, minimum. Worst case scenario is 11. He hasn't played more than 11 in over a decade. So at least we know when his season will be over. Sent from my Moto Z using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 36 minutes ago, Maxman said: Depends if the qb is a ho or not. Sheldon is the authority on knowing where they are at. IDK, I think we need a thread examining the tweet. After in depth study of it on You-tube it looks to me like Shelly couldn't find a Ho with a fist full of 50's . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 27 minutes ago, Stark said: Someone puts a microphone in your face and asks you a question, you answer it. I don't have any issue with what Sheldon said. Now, if he goes running to reporters and just running his mouth then its a problem, but when people are asking him specific questions what do you expect him to do? I expect the responses to this post to be "he needs to say its up to the coaches"... "you have to ask the coaches" "don't say anything Sheldon" - - - - Calm --- down ---- people I don't mind it. But I would think as a coach and the team, it's a little tooooo much info for the liking. Feel like a player shouldn't be saying if another player is ahead of someone or not or winning a competition, regardless of the position. Even if it's the truth. Then that just puts the coaches in a bad spot if they go another way, then the media can bring it up again to Sheldon and so on. It's just better to keep it simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 5 hours ago, Jetdawgg said: Good read. No Decker quotes? "It's optional" end quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mphtrilogy Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I'll take any sliver of moderate decent news these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 28 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: I don't mind it. But I would think as a coach and the team, it's a little tooooo much info for the liking. Feel like a player shouldn't be saying if another player is ahead of someone or not or winning a competition, regardless of the position. Even if it's the truth. Then that just puts the coaches in a bad spot if they go another way, then the media can bring it up again to Sheldon and so on. It's just better to keep it simple. it's May, not a big deal. if the coaches get put in a bad spot by this then we have bigger issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Hate this time of year, so much bullsh*t and meaningless off-season speak rattling around, grasped desperately by fans. Not a word of this article means anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 So far I've heard the Hacken has: - Improved footwork - Quicker release - Better understanding of what's happening mentally - More confident approach. Take the time between final ota's and training camp and goncompete for that starting spot. Even if McCown is slightly ahead, Hacken or Petty need to start. Overpay McCown to teach them, but not to start if the competition is close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 37 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: I don't mind it. But I would think as a coach and the team, it's a little tooooo much info for the liking. Feel like a player shouldn't be saying if another player is ahead of someone or not or winning a competition, regardless of the position. Even if it's the truth. Then that just puts the coaches in a bad spot if they go another way, then the media can bring it up again to Sheldon and so on. It's just better to keep it simple. Yeah Standard quote from a player on another player should be something like, "IDK man, I'm just trying to make the roster". Anything else you say the media is going to twist, take out of context, or just misquote you for a better story., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 13 minutes ago, Stark said: it's May, not a big deal. if the coaches get put in a bad spot by this then we have bigger issues. It's not a big deal, but I'm sure he'll get asked the same thing again during training camp. Media knows to go to Sheldon to get a good quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, Warfish said: Hate this time of year, so much bullsh*t and meaningless off-season speak rattling around, grasped desperately by fans. Not a word of this article means anything. Tell this to the alarmists on this site. Every tweet sends them rushing ti the keyboard with trembling fingers. Hard time of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangrene Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 I don't have a problem with what any of the players said. You are not going to get an honest opinion from management or the coaches, just tired sound bites. The players are only stating a personal opinion but in a world where everything is filtered through a PR department, it's refreshing. What we learned there is some progress and so far experience has the edge in the QB competition. Not earth shattering but the team seems to be on the same page in the OTAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Was watching NFL network last night, and they were doing a piece on the Broncos, and how Simien and Lynch were struggling in OTA's. Vance Joesph had an interesting take on OTA's......said that he sees OTA's as the time when QB's learn the offense and termonolgy etc, and that the job will be won in the preseason and in training camp. Food for thought, huh? Imagine an organization that is actually practical and patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, section314 said: Was watching NFL network last night, and they were doing a piece on the Broncos, and how Simien and Lynch were struggling in OTA's. Vance Joesph had an interesting take on OTA's......said that he sees OTA's as the time when QB's learn the offense and termonolgy etc, and that the job will be won in the preseason and in training camp. Food for thought, huh? Imagine an organization that is actually practical and patient. Lynch checks off all the boxes, so no worries there, even has a first round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Tell this to the alarmists on this site. Every tweet sends them rushing ti the keyboard with trembling fingers. Hard time of the year. trembling fingers? I'd say more like boners, that their agenda is being supported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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