dbatesman Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Not really surprising, but somewhat interesting. http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/54741/sources-giants-looking-closely-at-sam-darnold-top-qb-prospects Sources: Giants looking closely at Sam Darnold, top QB prospects Jordan Raanan ESPN Staff Writer EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- As their season has spiraled out of control, the New York Giants have begun to prepare for their future by focusing on potential franchise quarterbacks who could be available in this year’s NFL draft. There was a directive given several weeks back by co-owner John Mara to start looking closely at the top college quarterbacks, multiple sources told ESPN. This occurred around the time it became apparent that the Giants’ season was headed nowhere, in part, because wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. would be out with a broken ankle. Vice president of player evaluation Marc Ross, who runs the Giants’ draft, personally went to scout UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen in recent weeks, sources said. Rosen is among the nation’s top prospects at the position. Rosen (5), USC sophomore Sam Darnold(1) and Wyoming’s Josh Allen (6) are the quarterbacks in Todd McShay’s most recent Top 32 draft prospects. Louisville’s Lamar Jackson and Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield, with a surge in recent weeks, are also highly regarded by scouts. Darnold may be the most intriguing option, but whispers in league circles are that he may remain at USC for another year. Rosen (personality) and Allen (level of competition) also come with questions. Jackson and Mayfield are nontraditional quarterbacks. Still, the Giants (1-7) are doing their due diligence. This close inspection of the draft’s top quarterbacks is necessary because they have a soon-to-be 37-year-old quarterback and are in the midst of their worst season in decades. They would have the third overall pick if the season ended today and are coming off a 34-point home loss to the Los Angeles Rams. That kind of draft pick would provide the Giants with options, and it would be irresponsible if they weren’t at least considering a quarterback. General manager Jerry Reese conceded earlier this year that Eli Manning was on the “back nine” of his career. They drafted Davis Webb in the third round out of California before this season. He has been inactive for all eight games. While the coaching staff has been thoroughly impressed with Webb’s work ethic and attitude, there remains an element of uncertainty after he played in an Air Raid offense in college and received limited snaps throughout training camp and the preseason. He was the fourth-string quarterback this summer behind Manning, Geno Smith and Josh Johnson. Reps in a live atmosphere were hard to come by. Giants coach Ben McAdoo has left open the possibility in recent days that Webb could receive playing time later this season. Manning will start Sunday on the road against the San Francisco 49ers. “Eli, he’s our quarterback,” McAdoo said. “But that doesn’t mean, at some point in time, we won’t throw another guy in there to get a look at him.” If Webb develops into a significant player and the Giants hit on a quarterback early in this year’s draft, that is a good problem to have. It’s better than the alternative -- being stuck in quarterback purgatory for an extended period after Manning’s career with the Giants ends. It inevitably will. Manning won’t be the Giants' quarterback for too much longer. He has two years remaining on his current deal, which has a no-trade clause. He costs $22.2 million and $23.2 million against the salary cap in 2018 and ’19, respectively. The Giants can cut him with some financial consequences any time in the next two years. Manning’s successor will have substantial shoes to fill. The two-time Super Bowl winner has been the face of the franchise for much of the past 14 seasons. Manning has also been a model of stability. He’s set to start his 208th consecutive regular-season game on Sunday, tying his brother Peyton for second all time among quarterbacks. It has been a while since the Giants were seriously in the mix for a top quarterback. They haven’t had a top-five pick since 2004, when they selected Philip Riversand traded him for Manning, the No. 1 overall selection by the San Diego Chargers. Manning has started every game for the Giants since midway through his rookie season. This year’s draft may be the prime opportunity for them to find their next surefire franchise quarterback. The best bet for success at the quarterback position remains at the top of the draft. Three of the past four MVPs were No. 1 overall picks. Carson Wentz, the No. 2 overall pick last year, is the current front-runner for this year’s award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 What are the chances we take a defensive player in the 1st and the Giants get their QB for the next decade-plus? 100%? 110%? 150%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 The giants get all the breaks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennington Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I can't think of a worse scenario than the Giants landing one of the top QBs while we go defense again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Pennington said: I can't think of a worse scenario than the Giants landing one of the top QBs while we go defense again. I want to see all these jets fans who are giddy over going 7-9 with no playoffs when Sam Darnold is backing up Eli next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Sam Darnold has looked really good this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 you mean the giaints won't play geno? true enough they have to replace ELIte. if mcadoo is still coach he's going to want his own guy. smae thing for the next guy so it makes complete sense they will be going for a qb. eli's contract has quite a bit of dead money until 2019. Eli Manning Current Contract Year Age Base Salary (Guaranteed) Bonuses Cap Number Cap % Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1) Cut (post-June 1) Trade (pre-June 1) Trade (post-June 1) Restructure Extension Prorated Roster Workout Other 2015 34 $5,500,000 $5,500,000 $8,450,000 $0 $500,000 $0 $14,450,000 10.1% 2016 35 $17,500,000 $17,500,000 $6,200,000 $0 $500,000 $0 $24,200,000 15.6% 2017 36 $13,000,000 $13,000,000 $6,200,000 $0 $500,000 $0 $19,700,000 11.8% $31,600,000 ($11,900,000) 2018 37 $10,500,000 $6,200,000 $5,000,000 $500,000 $0 $22,200,000 12.5% $12,400,000 $9,800,000 2019 38 $11,500,000 $6,200,000 $5,000,000 $500,000 $0 $23,200,000 12.2% $6,200,000 $17,000,000 Total $58,000,000 $33,250,000 $10,000,000 $2,500,000 $0 $103,750,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Torture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, JetPotato said: Torture Kismet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 41 minutes ago, dbatesman said: What are the chances we take a defensive player in the 1st and the Giants get their QB for the next decade-plus? 100%? 110%? 150%? Dunno but it's definitely greater than 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 26 minutes ago, Philc1 said: I want to see all these jets fans who are giddy over going 7-9 with no playoffs when Sam Darnold is backing up Eli next year We've already got 4 wins. At this point we're not getting the #1 overall pick without a massive trade up. Not saying I'd be the least bit giddy if we go 7-9. I was 100% on board for the tank but, at this point, I think we've blown our chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 the Jets have recently passed on Watson, Carr and Jimmy G. they don't need to pick 1 they just need to make a smart pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, bitonti said: the Jets have recently passed on Watson, Carr and Jimmy G. they don't need to pick 1 they just need to make a smart pick Agreed. And Russell Wilson. If you have the right guys running things, it doesn't matter where you pick. None of these QB's coming out have looked like sure things so far and are no brainers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 If Darnold was any good I'd be worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Neither guy looks that great Darnold will probably stay in school Rosen will be ridiculously over drafted probably at #1 Giants should go oline anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Would any of you want to go through the sh*t mess the Giants are going though this year? Ok fine in May you will have 1 day of fun having a top 3 pick with zero guarantees. Me? I have lost for so long with this team that I relish winning and I don't give a crap who the QB might be next year. This league is so evenly balanced, anyone could come out of either conference so if by some crazy chance we make the playoffs god forbid, you never know. One thing for certain, I can never and will never root for the NY Jets to lose any game ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 22 minutes ago, bitonti said: the Jets have recently passed on Watson, Carr and Jimmy G. they don't need to pick 1 they just need to make a smart pick The number one pick can semi fool proof things. We need a QB we get the best one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 They’d be fools to do it unless they fix their OL. Otherwise, David Carr part II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Also wouldn’t be surprised to see them tempt a team to trade up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, Beerfish said: The number one pick can semi fool proof things. We need a QB we get the best one. You get “whom you think” is the best one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I think the Giants need to do their due diligence on the top QB's because you may not be drafting that high for a while but it is also a good thing to have this leak out if they are NOT looking for a QB. That means teams will try to trade in front of them to take a QB allowing a OT or Barkley to be there for when they pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Philc1 said: The giants get all the breaks ..they're gonna get Darnold & win 2 or 3 SB's in the next 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 They can have Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 minute ago, kelly said: ..they're gonna get Darnold & win 2 or 3 SB's in the next 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 hour ago, dbatesman said: What are the chances we take a defensive player in the 1st and the Giants get their QB for the next decade-plus? 100%? 110%? 150%? Depends on Macc. I think he knows he cannot simply put out a McCown/Fitz placeholder again in 2018. But he may still believe in Hack....if he does, he won;t draft a QB in Round 1. Or he may covet some free agent, Brees? Cousins? If he does, we'll pay a huge long contract, and won't draft a QB in Round 1. Or he may pull the "well, wanted a QB but not at #6 with who was left" argument, and he won't draft a QB in Round 1, but later (round 2 and beyond). So there is a good chance we take a defensive player in the 1st, but there would (IMO) need to be cause i.e. one or more of the reasons above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 From Eli straight to Rosen or Darnold. While we are still trying to replace #12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Adoni Beast said: From Eli straight to Rosen or Darnold. While we are still trying to replace #12. Why do you and other think this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Instead of assuming the worst, I wish people would assume nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said: From Eli straight to Rosen or Darnold. While we are still trying to replace #12. yup.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Why do you and other think this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennington Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 48 minutes ago, bitonti said: the Jets have recently passed on Watson, Carr and Jimmy G. they don't need to pick 1 they just need to make a smart pick Yes that is true but we don't exactly have a genius running things. Why should anyone believe that the guy that picked Hackenberg has any clue what a franchise QB looks like. At least if we were picking 1st or 2nd we would be picking the consensus top guy which has a better chance of success than whoever Maccagnan deems to be that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Giants can’t even cover their spreads. Could have made thousands betting against the giants every game ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Pennington said: Yes that is true but we don't exactly have a genius running things. Why should anyone believe that the guy that picked Hackenberg has any clue what a franchise QB looks like. At least if we were picking 1st or 2nd we would be picking the consensus top guy which has a better chance of success than whoever Maccagnan deems to be that guy. Because everybody deserves one mulligan. That was his mulligan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennington Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Because everybody deserves one mulligan. That was his mulligan He has had far more mulligans than succesful draft picks. Sorry but this guy shouldn't even be making the pick and I sure as hell don't trust him to get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, Pennington said: He has had far more mulligans than succesful draft picks. Sorry but this guy shouldn't even be making the pick and I sure as hell don't trust him to get it right. I disagree 100. Hackenberg is his only major mulligan in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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