John DeFilippo fired - joins McCarthy on the PASS list

[nico002]

11 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

He got them to another SB.  He also got Seattle, with a lot less to a SB.  Went to 3 SBs, a lot different story

And this would be relevant if I was calling to hire Holmgren. 

McCarthy could get us to a super bowl too. It’s extremely relevant because you’re criticism of McCarthy is that he only won one super bowl with Rodgers. 

[Jetster]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

They rushed 21 times last night.  Hard to complain that theyre not running enough when those 21 attempts get you all of 70+ yards and drives are dying

I'm with you, without that incredibly lucky playoff win last year vs the Saints, just another team. The Eagles anihalated the Vikings last year after the lucky Diggs play. 

Lot of similarities between Bowles & Zimmer except Zimmer has more talented players. Vikings got their azzes handed to them in Minny by BUFFALO. Jets got their azzes handed to them at home BY BUFFALO. 

Vikings, terrible road team, Jets terrible road team, wins vs below .500 teams, losses vs teams with winning records. I'd have no qualms bringing McCarthy in here as HC/Defilippo as OC (Wentz & Sam have some similarities) and grab Greg Williams as DC after the Browns let him go. McCarthy knows his sh*t about offense & if theyput their heads together they could put together a scheme that would work for Darnold. 

[Jetster]

7 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

Did he do a good job or was it Reich?  Cause he is the one that left and is doing a good job elsewhere. 

Reich has Luck & a much better Oline than Defilippo has with Cousins & that sh*tty Vikings line.

Apples & Oranges, unless you think Cousins = Luck?

[Jetster]

7 minutes ago, MaxAF said:

I would like to see a HC hiring for the Jets who is/was a former HC. There are no doubt some up and coming coordinators who may turn out to be good HC’s but the Jets have been hiring coordinators since Parcells: unsuccessfully I might add. I’m not all poo ? poo ? on Mc Carthy. 

If you look at his stats, they are very good:

Record: 125-77-2

Post season: 10-8

Super Bowl: 1

Divisional Team Record:

 19-7 Bears

 18-7 Lions

 16-9 Vikings

2006: 8-8

2007: 13-3

2008: 6-10

2009: 11-5

2010: 10-6

2011: 15-1

2012: 11-5

2013: 8-7

2014: 12-4

2015: 10-6

2016: 10-6

2017: 7-9

He's no Vince Lombardi 94-34-6 .738 winning record but you can’t say he hasn’t had a very successful HC career. 

McCarthy 125-77-2.   .618 winning record.

The Jets would be foolish to not give him a good hard look. Many thought Andy Reid was washed up when Philly dumped him.

Andy Reid: 194-122-1  .603 winning record. 

 

Jets need a REAL HC. Someone who has done it all. I think Sam Darnolds personality is PERFECT for McCarthy, you know damn well Rogers hates criticism, where Sam would listen & file it away. McCarthy is a TEACHER which is what Sam needs, Rogers is an egomaniac wanting to run his own show without interference. 

Two completely different make ups & McCarthy would be a steady influence for Sam, mentor, whisperer. McCarthys respected too & has some Irish fire in him. I'd be ecstatic if the Johnsons hired him!

[14 in Green]

12 minutes ago, nico002 said:

McCarthy could get us to a super bowl too. It’s extremely relevant because you’re criticism of McCarthy is that he only won one super bowl with Rodgers. 

There are other things also. The friction between him and Rodgers is the latest, but His defenses were never great, his playoff record, although good, was littered with upset losses if I remember correctly. He just never struck me as an elite coach. Simply one who always had a great QB during his tenure. 

[14 in Green]

26 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Reich has Luck & a much better Oline than Defilippo has with Cousins & that sh*tty Vikings line.

Apples & Oranges, unless you think Cousins = Luck?

To be fair, DeFillipo has Cousins, but also has much better skill players to work with then Reich. But as you say, Cousins doesn’t compare to Luck.

[choon328]

What people forget is that Mike McCarthy was the Head Coach of the Packers prior to Rodgers becoming the starter. Rodgers was drafted in 2005 and McCarthy became the Packers HC in 2006. Rodgers sat for two more years and then came out firing in 2008 and hasn't looked back. He developed him into the QB he is today. To immediately dismiss him bc Rodgers, who is a dick, petitioned to get him fired is ridiculous. Rodgers complained about his play calling yet has played at a Pro Bowl level his entire career with McCarthy calling plays. Rodgers is using him as a scapegoat for him not winning more Super Bowls. Not only would you bring in a guy who has a proven track record with developing young QB's you'd get a guy who has consistently won. When is the last time the Jets hired a HC that has that past? Enough with these unproven assistant coaches. The history of the type of hiring hasn't faired that well. Plus i think ownership will want a HC with some clout.

[choon328]

2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Similar to the situation in Baltimore.  Difference is, Harbaugh got a ring with Joe friggin Flacco. 

I'm not impressed by a coach who was carried to a SB by Rodgers then failed to make a positive impact the moment the talent around Rodgers depleted.  That makes McCarthy just a guy.  Not an elite coaching candidate.

This is wildly inaccurate. McCarthy is an offensive specialist and the offense has almost never failed him. It has been the defense that has failed him. That is due to the FO not spending money at all on defense, just like Indy with Manning. Go look at the rankings for his defense his entire career in GB. They've been terrible. That's why he and Rodgers only had one win.

[jack48]

3 hours ago, Jetmech said:

He should have taken the Jets OC job so he wouldn't have been fired...

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TB would have fired him after a year

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, choon328 said:

This is wildly inaccurate. McCarthy is an offensive specialist and the offense has almost never failed him. It has been the defense that has failed him. That is due to the FO not spending money at all on defense, just like Indy with Manning. Go look at the rankings for his defense his entire career in GB. They've been terrible. That's why he and Rodgers only had one win. 

The offense has never failed him because Aaron Rodgers is the QB.

McCarthy is the Head Coach, so he really should get some blame for the poor defense alongside the front office.  But fine.  If you want to blame the front office entirely, whatever.  That still means McCarthy is just a guy, not an elite coach. 

He's good at coaching an offense led by an all-time great QB.  Awesome.

[sec101row23]

1 minute ago, choon328 said:

This is wildly inaccurate. McCarthy is an offensive specialist and the offense has almost never failed him. It has been the defense that has failed him. That is due to the FO not spending money at all on defense, just like Indy with Manning. Go look at the rankings for his defense his entire career in GB. They've been terrible. That's why he and Rodgers only had one win.

Good points.  Why he kept Dom Capers as long as he did was a mystery.  Plus Thompson never signed free agents, and his drafting fell apart.  They never re-loaded the talent from the Super Bowl run.  

[Larz]

I would imagine this is related to the story about defilipo calling exotic plays to audition for jobs 

[Joejet]

I can see Bowles hiring DeFillipo as our offensive coordinator next year after he fires Bates.

[BroadwayRay]

Eh, this "he only won one Super Bowl" thing is way overdone. Repeating is hard, except for one particular cheating-ass team. Andy Reid with Donovan McNabb and, well, Alex Smith? He's won none. Yet he's still considered an offensive genius. Sean Payton with Drew Brees? Oh, only one, so he must suck too. Mike Holmgren with Brett Favre? And so on and so on. Fact is, the Green Bay teams during Rogers' time as QB have never been all that great, especially on defense. McCarthy did a good job getting them to the playoffs as often as he did.

[joewilly12]

4 minutes ago, Joejet said:

I can see Bowles hiring DeFillipo as our offensive coordinator next year after he fires Bates.

Todd Bowles will not be with the NY Jets next season. 

[Joejet]

4 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Todd Bowles will not be with the NY Jets next season. 

I wish I was as confident about that as you are.  I can see Sam leading us to a couple of more wins this year and the Johnsons keeping him.

[joewilly12]

4 minutes ago, Joejet said:

I wish I was as confident about that as you are.  I can see Sam leading us to a couple of more wins this year and the Johnsons keeping him.

Winning meaningless games in December during another disastrous season means nothing no way the Johnson Brothers can be this dumb. 

[Joejet]

6 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Winning meaningless games in December during another disastrous season means nothing no way the Johnson Brothers can be this dumb. 

Don’t forget they extended both guys last year.  Never underestimate how dumb they can be!

[MaxAF]

1 hour ago, 14 in Green said:

There are other things also. The friction between him and Rodgers is the latest, but His defenses were never great, his playoff record, although good, was littered with upset losses if I remember correctly. He just never struck me as an elite coach. Simply one who always had a great QB during his tenure. 

So who do you have in mind that will come to NY with a record even close to his??

[Embrace the Suck]

4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Similar to the situation in Baltimore.  Difference is, Harbaugh got a ring with Joe friggin Flacco. 

I'm not impressed by a coach who was carried to a SB by Rodgers then failed to make a positive impact the moment the talent around Rodgers depleted.  That makes McCarthy just a guy.  Not an elite coaching candidate.

Preach on, amen. Elite QBs make coaches, not the other way around.

[Joejet]

2 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said:

Preach on, amen. Elite QBs make coaches, not the other way around.

Based on that logic we should keep Bowles and hope that Darnold is an elite QB that can make him a championship coach.  No need to get anyone new.

[jetstream23]

4 hours ago, Jetmech said:

He should have taken the Jets OC job so he wouldn't have been fired...

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I think I see what you did there. lol

[Embrace the Suck]

9 minutes ago, Joejet said:

Based on that logic we should keep Bowles and hope that Darnold is an elite QB that can make him a championship coach.  No need to get anyone new.

No, that logic covers elite QBs not being the product of random coaches every other year as opposed to say some kind of football unified field theory. There are other working parts to be considered like the rest of the team.

[Larz]

I found this at the end of an article about the firing today...... 

Should I start on my pet peeve stuff now?" Zimmer said at the NFL combine. "I get criticized for blocking guys and stuff like that, but loyalty, to me, is a big thing, right? So I come in here four years ago and the offense is 29th, 27th, 26th. But I keep them. So the first time our offense is pretty good, then I'm supposed to let all my coaches leave? I don't think that's right.

"If I'm going to be loyal to them and not fire them after they don't have good years, then I don't think they should not be loyal to me."

 

Ummmmm. Well OK zimm 

[Joejet]

16 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said:

No, that logic covers elite QBs not being the product of random coaches every other year as opposed to say some kind of football unified field theory. There are other working parts to be considered like the rest of the team.

Rodgers wasn’t an elite qb coming out of college.  He was picked in the 20s of the first round because as with all QBs coming out of school he had to be developed.  McCarthy and his staff developed Rodgers and then, yes, he reaped the rewards.  Rodgers has great talent or he wouldn’t have developed as he did but McCarthy helped bring that out.  In my opinion he can do the same for Darnold and can hopefully enjoy the success that comes with it in the form of one or more Super Bowls.

[CanadienJetsFan]

DeFillipo is still a qb coach, not an OC and far from HC at this point of his career.

the guy wasn’t able to make any sort of adjustments.  The patriots double teamed 

both Theilen and Diggs then Seattle does the same thing last night and his offense still looked inept.

If we hire another HC that can’t adjust then we may as well keep the master of non adjustments, Todd Bowles.

[BurnleyJet]

9 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

DeFillipo is still a qb coach, not an OC and far from HC at this point of his career.

the guy wasn’t able to make any sort of adjustments.  The patriots double teamed 

both Theilen and Diggs then Seattle does the same thing last night and his offense still looked inept.

If we hire another HC that can’t adjust then we may as well keep the master of non adjustments, Todd Bowles.

Can't make adjustments, sounds perfect ?

[Jet_Engine1]

2 hours ago, nico002 said:

McCarthy could get us to a super bowl too. It’s extremely relevant because you’re criticism of McCarthy is that he only won one super bowl with Rodgers. 

He "only got to one SB". LOL. What a ridiculous argument people are making.

 

Shula had Marino for 1000 years. 

ZERO Superbowl wins.

 

Dungy had Manning forever. 1 SB (in a down year when the Bears with Rex Grossman got in).

Andy Reid, considered a "great coach". O-1 so far.

 

Flavor of the month McVeigh.....ain't won sh*t yet.

 

Guys here are reacting to the Patriots. That type of success (or that of Lombardi in the 60s, Cowboys in the 90s etc) takes a ton of Luck and good bounces, lots of circumstances falling the right way, and amazing team building.  Or in the case of the Patriots,  all of the above plus astounding luck stumbling on the GOAT QB, having the guy in front of him getting hurt, and an amazing amount of rule bending and downright cheating.

 

But seeing a guy with a good track record, a winning resume, and a SB trophy (regardless of who his QB was, even if its prima donna douchebag Rodgers) get dismissed by Jets fans is laughable.  He would be the second best Coach the Jets have ever had.....ahead of Eubank.

 

[batman10023]

5 hours ago, Sarge4Tide said:

is this a real scene?  i see it is wow.

[SheaRay]

When did McCarthy go from an elite NFL head coach with a stellar record to a "hard pass"? The Jets would be lucky to nab him.

[choon328]

2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

The offense has never failed him because Aaron Rodgers is the QB.

McCarthy is the Head Coach, so he really should get some blame for the poor defense alongside the front office.  But fine.  If you want to blame the front office entirely, whatever.  That still means McCarthy is just a guy, not an elite coach. 

He's good at coaching an offense led by an all-time great QB.  Awesome.

So Sean Payton and Bill Walsh are just guys too? If you're saying it about McCarthy then you're saying it about any coach who had a HOF QB. How about BB, is he a good coach or is it all about Brady? Or Don Shula, Marv Levy I could go on. All of these JAG Head Coaches who aren't good enough for the Jets I guess.

[Paradis]

6 hours ago, nico002 said:

yes we should pass on a 55 year old super bowl winning coach that helped make Aaron Rodgers a HOF QB...

Are you insane??

A competent coach would have more than 1 SB appearance to show for 10 years of Aaron fcking Rodgers.

McCarthy is Bowles level bad. 

[LionelRichie]

1 hour ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

He "only got to one SB". LOL. What a ridiculous argument people are making.

 

Shula had Marino for 1000 years. 

ZERO Superbowl wins.

 

Dungy had Manning forever. 1 SB (in a down year when the Bears with Rex Grossman got in).

Andy Reid, considered a "great coach". O-1 so far.

 

Flavor of the month McVeigh.....ain't won sh*t yet.

 

Guys here are reacting to the Patriots. That type of success (or that of Lombardi in the 60s, Cowboys in the 90s etc) takes a ton of Luck and good bounces, lots of circumstances falling the right way, and amazing team building.  Or in the case of the Patriots,  all of the above plus astounding luck stumbling on the GOAT QB, having the guy in front of him getting hurt, and an amazing amount of rule bending and downright cheating.

 

But seeing a guy with a good track record, a winning resume, and a SB trophy (regardless of who his QB was, even if its prima donna douchebag Rodgers) get dismissed by Jets fans is laughable.  He would be the second best Coach the Jets have ever had.....ahead of Eubank.

 

I honesty don’t know that much about McCarthy but his game management, especially in the playoffs, seemed to be suspect.  The packers definitely had more opportunities to make it further with a generational QB   

McCarthy didn’t so much lose control of the team as he lost control of Rodgers.  A change of scenery will be good for him and he would be a big improvement over Bowles   and would certainly be good for darnolds development  

 

[jgb]

The refusal to give any coach a second chance is what gives us the todd Bowleses of the world

[14 in Green]

2 hours ago, MaxAF said:

So who do you have in mind that will come to NY with a record even close to his??

I get it. His win loss record is really good, and it’s very easy to use it as a argument to hire him. Yet I don’t think it’s one that should be. The argument I would offer is he has never been without an elite QB in his entire career, between Favre and Rodgers. I don’t think it’s fair to bring up his record when those two were injured, but it’s not good. So there’s the crux of the argument with him. Is he a good coach, or one who was extremely lucky to end up working where he did? I’d lean to him being above average, but the way things ended with Rodgers takes some bloom off his rose. If I were his agent, I’d look to pair him with a more veteran laden team, much closer to contention then the Jets. I don’t see him as the guy who’s going to turn a program around. In the end though, who the hell knows? Lol