Freemanm Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Seriously, there are teams, player-for-player, that have the same if less talent level than us and yet have better defenses (Patriots included). We have a D-oriented coach. Why is it that there always seems to be a wide open receiver 15-20 yds downfield against our D? Why is it that all opposing RBs have to do is turn the corner and get huge runs against us? Why can’t our D get big stops in the 4Q? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 I think they are tired and beaten down from being on the field all game and they commit way too many penalties because they are very poorly coached. They really don't suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Most of it is bad scheme. Part of it is just the plain fact that offenses are better and penalties are geared to help offenses more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: I think they are tired and beaten down from being on the field all game and they commit way too many penalties because they are very poorly coached. They really don't suck. Whats your definition of suck sir? They are 21st in total defense. When do we get to the “suck” tier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Because Bowles will not allow the offense to salt away a game they are leading. He gets too conservative and puts 100% of the pressure on the D to win the game. It is why he should only be a DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 minute ago, BallinPB said: Whats your definition of suck sir? They are 21st in total defense. When do we get to the “suck” tier? The D brought the heat today penalties killed them and the fact that they didn't force turnovers. They don't suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Quote Why does our D suck so badly? Bowles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Lack of communication in the secondary combined with less then stellar cornerback play and no true pass rushing closer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, BallinPB said: Most of it is bad scheme. Part of it is just the plain fact that offenses are better and penalties are geared to help offenses more. There were a ton of blown coverages today as well. Plus this defense is just bad to average at everything. They don’t really have standout players that teams need to account for just a bunch of solid depth players thrust into starting jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Insert an EDGE RUSHER and it changes this D instantly you cannot give any QB the time Aaron Rodgers had today especially in the 4th quarter and in OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: The D brought the heat today penalties killed them and the fact that they didn't force turnovers. They don't suck. Wasnt really talking about just today. The OP posed a general question about our D. My question is where is the line for you to say our defense sucks? They are clearly in the bottom half of the league in defense. Its not a bad take to say that they suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 They suck schematically. They suck technique-wise. They are poorly coached. They are undisciplined. They have poor coverage skills. They lack speed in the front 7. Aside from that, they're Grrrreat!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtina Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, BallinPB said: Whats your definition of suck sir? They are 21st in total defense. When do we get to the “suck” tier? Ranking doesn’t tell the story. They are mediocre to ok - until it really matters. Then they fold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: Lack of communication in the secondary combined with less then stellar cornerback play and no true pass rushing closer I think its more of a lack of preparation. I think Adams is definitely communicating and making sure everyone else is also. Whether they are communicating the right plays and what not is up for debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe the Breadman Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Well if we are putting "defense" and "sucks-sucking" in the same sentence then exhibit A is Trumaine Johnson. Sometimes I think this guy goes out of his way to be an ass on the field and generates too many penalties. What a horrible and expensive signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Just now, Xtina said: Ranking doesn’t tell the story. They are mediocre to ok - until it really matters. Then they fold Ranking doesnt tell the full story but it definitely tells a story. You cant tell me anyone ranked 21st in the league is a good defense just like you cant tell me anyone ranked top 10 is a bad defense. Lets not get cute when stats are right in front of us. Im not saying they suck but they certainly arent good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL047 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 The problem with the defense is they are short on talent!!! The dline is good but not that good because Leonard Williams needs help. He needs someone else to compliment him on the dline because he can't do it all by himself. But a very good oline can take out your dline easily because the Jets need and have been needing a pass rushing OLB for years. Having zero pressure from the outside gives the QB plenty of time to pick the secondary apart. The other problem is the defensive coach doesn't put the players in position to create plays. He has no imagination to create blitz packages to pressure the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 They just didn’t execute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 31 minutes ago, Freemanm said: Seriously, there are teams, player-for-player, that have the same if less talent than us and have better defenses (Patriots included). We have a D-oriented coach. Why is it that there always seems to be a receiver wide open 15-20 yds downfield against our D? Why is it that all opposing RBs have to do is turn the corner and get huge runs against us? BOWLES!!!! Next Question!! Damn I'm on fire today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 26 minutes ago, Dcat said: Bowles beat me to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 In the sales world there’s a saying: ”They can’t Close.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 29 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Insert an EDGE RUSHER and it changes this D instantly you cannot give any QB the time Aaron Rodgers had today especially in the 4th quarter and in OT. Yup. you bring in a guy like Clowney and all of sudden the CB's do not have to cover as long and you don't have to keep sending guys on blitzes. They should spend or draft what it takes to get a guy like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Yup. you bring in a guy like Clowney and all of sudden the CB's do not have to cover as long and you don't have to keep sending guys on blitzes. They should spend or draft what it takes to get a guy like that.Texans won't let clowney go anywhere don't get too attatched.Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Watch this game closely you will see what Pepper Johnson was talking about...TJ hasn't played much press yet the games they play at the DL don't correlate to playing zone.....Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 55 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: I think they are tired and beaten down from being on the field all game and they commit way too many penalties because they are very poorly coached. They really don't suck. Today the offense was fine and dandy even if they went dead late in the game. Defense needed to make just one decent stand and they couldn't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Because we skipped a year drafting a defensive player in first round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtina Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 41 minutes ago, BallinPB said: Ranking doesnt tell the full story but it definitely tells a story. You cant tell me anyone ranked 21st in the league is a good defense just like you cant tell me anyone ranked top 10 is a bad defense. Lets not get cute when stats are right in front of us. Im not saying they suck but they certainly arent good. Thank you for agreeing with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Bad drafting, bad fa signings and horrible coaching. The trifecta of suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 This is what it comes down too. Darnold and the offense are finally clicking but our secondary is as bad as it gets. Chunk throws every game. We will never be competitive till we fix this. trumaine Johnson = huge waste of money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Zero pass rush + Bowles + DBs who suck in coverage = 2018 Jets D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 17 minutes ago, Xtina said: Thank you for agreeing with me I didnt. You said ranking doesnt tell the story and I just told you it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCP63 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Poor adjustments to formations and personnel. Posted this in the game thread. Setting the line to the back is one example. Makes the down safety have to fold into the B gap while also having to cover the slot. Playing in one high a good amount of the time, leaving tons of one on one matchups, and eliminating a box player because the backside down safety doesn't have a good run fit angle when down. Setting Adams to the strength with trips into the boundary, motion to the backside leaving a slot on the Will. Just poorly schemed football. This stuff is nothing new. It all started with the 4-3 Over front to defend the spread in the 50s. "The spread offense is nothing new." -Coach Meyer Dutch Meyer, TCU, 1952... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCP63 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Alluding to my post above, here's a picture of a 5 wide formation in the early 50s. http://imgur.com/gallery/6T0X19t He used this formation in 1934 with Sammy Baugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Skrine is a CANCER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Kacy Rodgers The only time this D looked good this year is when he had his mysterious illness for 3 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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