If we keep Robbie that means Joe Douglas is

[slats]

24 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Sure that would be a good use of draft capital, probably better to get some beef on the line to protect sam, but who knows who is out there, personal pref. 

I love to draft a guy like hollywood...

I'd be looking to take the BAP primarily between LT & WR with the top pick. I recognize the need for OL, but if there's a WR there who's a better prospect, I'm not gonna hesitate to take him. 

[Losmeister]

53 minutes ago, slats said:

right now, after Crowder and Anderson, there's a steep drop off at the WR position. Which is why I lean towards resigning him if, character-wise, he basically checks out. I'd rather hold onto Robby, the devil I know, than pay someone else's problem and hope for the best. Especially if Darnold is on board. 

Then I look to find a WR better than anyone on the current roster in the draft, 100% willing to use my first pick to do it. 

Good post. For me, it goes in a different order.  2 and 3 are the arguments for keep. #1 is do it no matter what.

1)get someone better than anyone on the roster now REGARDLess of signing him or not AND use the #1 to do it.

2) Steep drop off w/ current roster w/o RA

3)Character/Sam 

 

  

[BornJetsFan1983]

1 hour ago, slats said:

I'd be looking to take the BAP primarily between LT & WR with the top pick. I recognize the need for OL, but if there's a WR there who's a better prospect, I'm not gonna hesitate to take him. 

if we actaully drafted a OT in rounds 2 and or 3...that would be great!

[Jetsfan80]

It's a tough spot to be in for Douglas.  We can't trade him and likely won't see a compensatory pick if he signs elsewhere.  And there's no reason for Robby to sign ahead of time prior to testing the market.  Thus, we either pay him at or above market value ($11M+ per season) or he walks for basically nothing.  

[slimjasi]

I'd resign him and draft another WR with one of our first two draft picks. 

[GREENBEAN]

I’m not a big Robby fan but think they need to keep him. Too many holes and he’s fine as a #2 or 3. 

Exactly. You don’t create holes unnecessarily. Pay Robbie $10 mil per for 4 years and wrap it up. Go find a number tru 6’4” number1 wideout and the core is Intact.


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[naturalscience]

Robby Anderson contested catch rate 34.8%

Julian Edelman contested catch rate 38.1%

RA yards after catch 1.9/target

JE yards after catch 2.1/target

[naturalscience]

Allen Robinson (2014-17): 202 receptions, 2,848 yards and 22 touchdowns. 

Sammy Watkins (2014-17): 192 receptions, 3,052 yards and 25 touchdowns. 

Anderson (2016-19): 202 receptions, 3,009 yards and 19 touchdowns.

[Paradis]

Gross thread. 

[BornJetsFan1983]

6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

It's a tough spot to be in for Douglas.  We can't trade him and likely won't see a compensatory pick if he signs elsewhere.  And there's no reason for Robby to sign ahead of time prior to testing the market.  Thus, we either pay him at or above market value ($11M+ per season) or he walks for basically nothing.  

It would be a great first step in the right direction just to let him go...

At some point, some one has to start doing the right thing, and over paying players that are not all stars or even probowlers is not the right thing.

We can miss out on the 4 TDs a year and sign another guy or get another undrafted guy that can run fast.

Maybeone not as skinny as a pole

[slats]

10 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

It would be a great first step in the right direction just to let him go...

At some point, some one has to start doing the right thing, and over paying players that are not all stars or even probowlers is not the right thing.

We can miss out on the 4 TDs a year and sign another guy or get another undrafted guy that can run fast.

Maybeone not as skinny as a pole

You're really not making your case at all. 

Jets have a weak roster, but Anderson is actually a bright spot. You need second and third (and 4th & 5th) WRs on your NFL roster. After the true #1 guys, how many of the rest make the pro bowl? 

You can't just expect an undrafted free agent to come in and replace Robby's production. Signing another guy for the money you would've paid Anderson also makes no sense. You already have a guy here who leads the team in receiving yards, why dump him for the receiver behind door #2? 

Again, you ask around. If Sam Darnold and the rest of his teammates like and trust him, there's no reason drop him. The Jets need to improve their WR corps in a real way, and the easiest and smartest way to do that is to at least maintain their current level. Add to what you have rather than create another hole to fill. 

And he may be skinny, but he stays on the field. Enunwa's built like a LB but can't stay on the field. 

[Philc1]

12 hours ago, naturalscience said:

Allen Robinson (2014-17): 202 receptions, 2,848 yards and 22 touchdowns. 

Sammy Watkins (2014-17): 192 receptions, 3,052 yards and 25 touchdowns. 

Anderson (2016-19): 202 receptions, 3,009 yards and 19 touchdowns.

Robinson and Watkins both missed entire seasons during those timeframes due to injuries 

[Philc1]

17 hours ago, slimjasi said:

I'd resign him and draft another WR with one of our first two draft picks. 

The other option is resign Demariyus Thomas to a reasonable one year deal and draft Ceedee Lamb

 

Probably the smarter move

[BornJetsFan1983]

2 hours ago, slats said:

You're really not making your case at all. 

Jets have a weak roster, but Anderson is actually a bright spot. You need second and third (and 4th & 5th) WRs on your NFL roster. After the true #1 guys, how many of the rest make the pro bowl? 

You can't just expect an undrafted free agent to come in and replace Robby's production. Signing another guy for the money you would've paid Anderson also makes no sense. You already have a guy here who leads the team in receiving yards, why dump him for the receiver behind door #2? 

Again, you ask around. If Sam Darnold and the rest of his teammates like and trust him, there's no reason drop him. The Jets need to improve their WR corps in a real way, and the easiest and smartest way to do that is to at least maintain their current level. Add to what you have rather than create another hole to fill. 

And he may be skinny, but he stays on the field. Enunwa's built like a LB but can't stay on the field. 

Andersen is not a good player. He gives up on plays and can't get open when we need him too. He is wr4 at best. Guy off the street is wr4 or better possibly.

No need to sign Robbie who has history of off field stuff and plenty of tape to see he is not really worth paying for. Let another team do that.

I think a guy off the street can match him. Um don't you?

See this year's guys off the street.

Also yes you can sign a other guy with the same money you could have given Robbie. That player should be someone that has a little more toughness in him... A dog if you will lol. But really just anyone that gives you a shot of getting open and helping your QB.

The smartest way to improve your wr core is get diff players that are better. 

Yeah he stays on the field and takes up the spot of another player that could actually get open.

 

[DjHoldyHold]

On 12/17/2019 at 10:18 AM, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Why not have a #2 that can catch?

There is no rule that the jets have to keep crappy players just because we have done it forever.

Just like we don't have to keep crappy coach Gase.

What do you mean "a #2 that can catch?" Are you saying that Robby can't catch? He's been holding on to contested catches all year. 

https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/highlight-sam-darnold-finds-robby-anderson-for-1-yard-touchdown

https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/highlight-robby-anderson-makes-contested-catch-for-two-point-conversion

 

 

[DjHoldyHold]

On 12/17/2019 at 10:38 AM, ASH1962 said:

Let's be honest here, Robbie is a good WR, not a great WR. I have yet to see him make a really great catch like I see other WR's do with guys draped all over him. The GREAT WR's do that. Still, if we an get him back at a reasonable price, why not keep him? We already know his strengths and weaknesses and if our HC/OC has half of a brain, will scheme to use his skills properly.

 

 

[Losmeister]

2 minutes ago, DjHoldyHold said:

What do you mean "a #2 that can catch?" Are you saying that Robby can't catch? He's been holding on to contested catches all year. 

https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/highlight-sam-darnold-finds-robby-anderson-for-1-yard-touchdown

https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/highlight-robby-anderson-makes-contested-catch-for-two-point-conversion

 

 

such a large % of Jetnation has it out for RA. They dont know what they are seeing.

[Losmeister]

part of the thing is NO ONE IS SAYING HE IS GREAT.

He's not a # 1 WR target. NO ONE IS SAYING HE IS A #1 TARGET WR.

 

[BornJetsFan1983]

2 hours ago, Losmeister said:

part of the thing is NO ONE IS SAYING HE IS GREAT.

He's not a # 1 WR target. NO ONE IS SAYING HE IS A #1 TARGET WR.

 

you missed the point, he is not consistent, not to be paid to be a WR2 or 3. At best he is a gimmick WR4. Sure he can catch when he is wide open but far too many times he cant get open, drops the ball or flat our doesnt contest for the ball letting it fly bye.

 

Sorry but not matter what some knuckleneads say, Robbie should be released. Good luck to him on his next team he will let down.

[naturalscience]

10 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Robinson and Watkins both missed entire seasons during those timeframes due to injuries 

Fair enough. However they are both considered number ones. Robby is not.

 

[naturalscience]

Anderson DYAR rank 40 out of 73 with 50 plus passes

                   DVOA rank 44 out of 73 with 50 plus passes

 

If we, say, take out 32 number ones and consider the next 32 number twos that puts him in the top quarter of numbers twos. Certainly not exact but a round about idea.

[playtowinthegame]

That's a lot of buttfumbles.

[naturalscience]

10 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Robinson and Watkins both missed entire seasons during those timeframes due to injuries 

Allen Robinson 256 receptions 3585 yards 26 TD

Sammy Watkins 204 receptions 3141 yards 26 TD

Robby Anderson  202 receptions 3009 yards 19 TD

I took out the year Robinson missed and the half year Watkins missed.

[Losmeister]

9 hours ago, naturalscience said:

take out 32 number ones and consider the next 32 number twos that puts him in the top quarter of numbers twos. Certainly not exact but a round about idea.

they simply dont understand. they are pissed we have a decent #2 who is better than any other wr we have and that hes not a #1. its his fault, clearly

[pdxgreen]

"If a GM does something that I don't agree with that automatically confirms to me that they suck."

Who can argue with such logic.

[Losmeister]

21 hours ago, slats said:

. You already have a guy here who leads the team in receiving yards, why dump him for the receiver behind door #2? 

And he may be skinny, but he stays on the field. Enunwa's built like a LB but can't stay on the field. 

its hilarious people are pissed cos our speed wr is lean. no one was crying for wes walker to put on 20 lbs of muscle.

[FidelioJet]

On 12/18/2019 at 9:00 PM, naturalscience said:

Robby Anderson contested catch rate 34.8%

Julian Edelman contested catch rate 38.1%

RA yards after catch 1.9/target

JE yards after catch 2.1/target

Well, that settles it....

Robby is as good as Edelman.

[Sperm Edwards]

22 hours ago, slats said:

You're really not making your case at all. 

Jets have a weak roster, but Anderson is actually a bright spot. You need second and third (and 4th & 5th) WRs on your NFL roster. After the true #1 guys, how many of the rest make the pro bowl? 

You can't just expect an undrafted free agent to come in and replace Robby's production. Signing another guy for the money you would've paid Anderson also makes no sense. You already have a guy here who leads the team in receiving yards, why dump him for the receiver behind door #2? 

Again, you ask around. If Sam Darnold and the rest of his teammates like and trust him, there's no reason drop him. The Jets need to improve their WR corps in a real way, and the easiest and smartest way to do that is to at least maintain their current level. Add to what you have rather than create another hole to fill. 

And he may be skinny, but he stays on the field. Enunwa's built like a LB but can't stay on the field. 

No, we should only draft and sign "True #1" WRs just like every other NFL team apparently does. 

Truth is you're right, because there are only the rarest of incidents when an elite WR (with elite years remaining) becomes available as a UFA, so it's not like we get to choose between UFA Robby Anderson over UFA Julio Jones. The only way you get a special #1-type, typically, is to draft them or trade for them (which costs the same as the UFA money plus the high draft pick, but at least you're less likely to get a bust acquisition). That doesn't mean everyone else should be cut. 

The other reality to face is even if we do successfully draft some #1-type WR, very few of them are #1-ish as rookies or even to start season two. Well, by season 3, these "OMG he's not a true #1" guys like Anderson can be let go, since his guaranteed money won't spill into year 3 anyway. 

[Sperm Edwards]

Continuing my above point, look at the recent high pick WRs. 

2018- 2019's first and second round picks:

• 2019's first WR taken, M.Brown, isn't yet demonstrably better than Jamison Crowder.
• 2019 Harris has been off NE's IR list for over a month and has yet to reach 20 yards in a single game. 
• 2019 Deebo has been excellent for a rookie, yet has sub-Anderson yardage and TDs.
• Deebo's teammate, SF's 2018 2nd rounder Pettis has #2/blocking TE numbers and is the least-reliable receiver on the team.
• AJ looks terrific for a rookie, and might not break 1000 yards; if he did, that would be very good not awesome anyway. 
• Speedster Hardman is a relative afterthought with 25 catches even with Hill missing a quarter of the season, and is KC's 5th-targeted receiver as a rookie
• 2019's Arcega-Whiteside has one 30-yard game this year, thanks to a 30-yard reception in a final minute of garbage time 
• 2019 Parris Campbell. Had one 53-yard game in early November, making it his only one with >25 yards
• 2018's DJ Moore looks terrific in year 2, but as a rookie he had 788 yards and 2 TDs
• Ridley was a 2018 is putting up what people here would call #2 WR numbers. Is that because Julio is taking up all the air, or is Julio freeing him up by getting doubled/tripled himself? Also Atlanta just throws it >600x a season to boot, most of which occur in a climate-controlled dome with no wind.
• Kirk (2018) catches over 5 passes a game...at 10-11 yards a pop. He'll finish this year with maybe 1300 rec yds over his first 2 seasons
• Anthony Miller (2018) didn't become a starter until the second half of his second season. 
• James Washington (2018) had 16 catches as a rookie (42% catch rate) and 39 catches in year 2. If he had Anderson's 2018-2019 numbers people would think far more highly of him. 

The 3 top-10 draft pick WRs from 2017:

• Corey Davis hasn't come close to living up to being a top 5 pick
• Mike Williams has steadily improved, but wasn't a regular starter until year 3
• Ross has two 100-yard games in 3 seasons, and missed all of October and November this year

The rest of rounds 1-2 in 2017 were just Zay Jones and Curtis Samuel. Meh would be an understatement. 

Point being, you don't just say, "Draft a WR early" chasing that true #1 WR, and expect #1 WR production anytime soon. Not if you're being realistic. It's unusual for it to happen, frankly. The last who truly hit was Michael Thomas, who was the 6th WR taken in a deep WR draft from 2016. Talk about the need to cherry pick to land a beast. 

It doesn't mean don't draft WRs. DO draft WR prospects, but the team will most likely need to wait to see any "#1 WR" level production, if they ever see it at all. I'm not sold on Anderson's value, because I don't know how much he'll cost now that they've waited this long, but he produces more than most 1st/2nd round pick WRs typically do over their first 2 seasons. And again, by year 3 at the latest, he'll be on year-to-year team options. 

[GreenFish]

Why do some misspell Robby’s name? 
 

Regarding the thread, signing him to a 4 year $40 mil Contract would be a good move. 
#1, Robby, Crowder, Herndon/Griffin, and Bell is a very solid starting skill group. Just because we don’t have a good number 1 WR doesn’t you don’t sign a good number 2. We can chew gum and walk at the same time. 

[Losmeister]

tidbit and tack on has more TDs in first 4 years than Wesley Walker did.

became only the 5th player since 1970 to reach 3,000 receiving yards in first 4 seasons as an undrafted free agent.

[Losmeister]

Great post Sperm.

Also Robby's Qbs

Ryan Fitzpatrick Geno Smith Bryce Petty Josh McCown Sam Darnold Trevor Siemian Luke Falk David Fales

[ZachEY]

Pay Him

[Jets723]

1 minute ago, TeddEY said:

Pay Him

Agreed. Keeping Robby is important for Sam and the team

[ZachEY]

23 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

Agreed. Keeping Robby is important for Sam and the team