(Claim) Report: Jets Eyeing Henry Ruggs "Closely"

[LAD_Brooklyn]

Joe would be deserving of the Clown face for this.

[Losmeister]

1 hour ago, deucebag said:

You missed my point, it took him a couple of years to build the strength and physique needed to be a productive receiver, once he did, he was all-pro caliber.  My point is, we cannot afford to wait a few years, we have nothing at WR and need to draft two who will be productive from day one.

massive overstatement of ability

[TuscanyTile2]

After this draft I wonder when the next legit sporting event will take place. Quite possibly another draft (NHL and NBA).

[Losmeister]

going for what they believe is a game changing player is cool by me...

[Rhg1084]

I mean if this kid is Tyreek Hill like they say then yeah that would be a great weapon to add to any offense. 

[pdxgreen]

I don't know if I can make it till the 23rd.  And I am not talking about the social distancing.  I am just talking about draft rumors.

[Ghost]

[Philc1]

I still prefer Jeudy but there’s no arguing Ruggs’ speed

[Grandy]

Ruggs has the top speed and hands of the first round guys. Though I slightly prefer CeeDee, he can be something special. 

[section314]

If JN was around in 1980, this thread would have existed for Lam Jones.

[JiFtheOracle]

I believe this report with all my heart and soul.  No deception here, pure facts. 

 

[slats]

3 minutes ago, section314 said:

If JN was around in 1980, this thread would have existed for Lam Jones.

So you think it's true? 

Richard Todd after the Jets told him they drafted Lam Jones, "why didn't you draft someone who can catch?" 

I don't think there's any question that Ruggs can catch. 

[peebag]

12 hours ago, deucebag said:

IDK, the last thing I want is Santana Moss part two, a WR with elite speed who takes 4 years to fill in his frame before he can become a complete WR.

With a name like deucebag, you know he/she can't be wrong!!!

[peebag]

14 minutes ago, section314 said:

If JN was around in 1980, this thread would have existed for Lam Jones.

..and DWC would have posted some 18 page report about him.

[section314]

10 minutes ago, slats said:

So you think it's true? 

Richard Todd after the Jets told him they drafted Lam Jones, "why didn't you draft someone who can catch?" 

I don't think there's any question that Ruggs can catch. 

All I'm saying is caveat emptor....buyer beware.

[FidelioJet]

Doing diligence on Ruggs is preparing for a trade down...or a trade of some sort.

No way they take him at 11...

[bitonti]

the Jets have been seriously scouting Henry Ruggs since last October

the JD short list is probably something like 2 of the tackles and 1 maybe 2 of the WR 

not all 4 OT and not all 3 WR

most Jets fans assume JD is so thirsty for OL he want sloppy 4ths at 11  overall

What if he'd rather have the best wide out? 

WR IS JUST AS DIRE A NEED AS OL

The good news is, at least this year we won't have hear morons booing the pick live 

or have ESPN showing us replays of head shakers and people tearing their hair out when it's NOT OL

 

[Jet Nut]

12 hours ago, JetBlue said:

This guy is not Santana Moss so your comparison is irrelevant.  Ruggs is closer to Tareek Hill than Santana Moss.   Plus Moss played in a different era that was much more physical and hands on.  Ruggs, he has a wirey build, very long arms, tremendous leaper and plays bigger than his 5'11 190 would suggest.  

I dont see the comparisons being equal between the players and as you say, the eras.  

I dont see Ruggs struggling to get free, having to grow given the way WRs are allowed to run wild today

I just dont see how you pass on a Jeudy and take Ruggs.  To me you cant risk the 11th pick, on this team with its needs projecting his talents when Jeudy is sitting there

[bitonti]

5 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

 

I just dont see how you pass on a Jeudy and take Ruggs.   

Ruggs is faster, the game is built on 80 yard highlights on sportscenter not chain movers

and there is that whole "he's a moron" thing

not that wide outs need to be einstein just saying there IS a case for Ruggs over Jeudy, if one looks hard enough 

the real question, why was Jeudy a top 3 pick in December and now he's top 15? scouts got to know him more 

meanwhile Ruggs has done nothing but rise  

[#27TheDominator]

12 hours ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

 Who gives a f*** about what he did in Washington!? When in N.Y. he was soft going over the middle and avoided contact. Moss ran out of bounds, hit the ground or droped the ball. 

Trust me I was there.. that was the "Jetskins" era under Terry Bradway. It was ridiculous. I couldn't believe what I was seeing and I was so happy that # 87 came back.

Funny you feel that way.  He dropped all the balls over the middle?  Every one?   Moss > Chrebet and Coles.  Keyshawn too for that matter.  Moss played with a QB singularly unsuited to his game.  Besides, you know who else was a pussy?  Franco Harris.  I liked Coles too, but complaining about the "Jetskins" seems kind of weird.   Moss left after the deep playoff run in 2004, one of two makable field goals would have put him in the AFC Championship.  A big reason they were so close was his 75 yard punt return.  When Coles came back, the only playoff game he would see was the 2006 embarrassment in Foxboro.

[CrazyCarl40]

17 minutes ago, bitonti said:

the Jets have been seriously scouting Henry Ruggs since last October

the JD short list is probably something like 2 of the tackles and 1 maybe 2 of the WR 

not all 4 OT and not all 3 WR

most Jets fans assume JD is so thirsty for OL he want sloppy 4ths at 11  overall

What if he'd rather have the best wide out? 

WR IS JUST AS DIRE A NEED AS OL

The good news is, at least this year we won't have hear morons booing the pick live 

or have ESPN showing us replays of head shakers and people tearing their hair out when it's NOT OL

 

If he picks someone Jets fans don’t like, instead of the 8 pm cheering for health heroes, it’ll be the 8 pm booing Joe Douglas hour. 

[bitonti]

Bob McGinn (long time Packers beater) released these scouting reports on the WR 

this thread seemed like a good place to put it 

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WIDE RECEIVERS

1. CEEDEE LAMB, Oklahoma (6-1 ½, 198, 4.48, 1): Compared by one scout to Chad Johnson. “You throw the ball up, he’s coming down with it,” said one scout. “He’s got courage. He has better feet than (Justin) Jefferson. I had no idea he could run as good as he did. He’s a great kid on top of it. He’s a no-brainer.” A third-year junior from Richmond, Texas, he “catches the crap out of the ball,” according to another scout. “Great hands. He runs 4.48, which is way fast enough. He runs really good routes. He can go against press and off.” Finished with 173 receptions for 3,292 yards (19.0 average) and 32 touchdowns. “Just a competitive and strong guy,” said a third scout. “Almost an Anquan Boldin-type of receiver. I don’t think he’s a superstar. Lamb kind of maximizes what he has.” Jumps were pedestrian: vertical (34 ½ inches, 10-foot, 4-inch broad jump). So was the bench press (11 reps). “They scheme him up a lot,” said a fourth scout. “Bubble passes. He comes flying around in motion and catches it. It’s like watching the CFL. If you think you’re just going to line him up as a classic X or Z and he’s going to run a full route tree, no. He’s a work in progress, too.” Scored 12 on the 12-minute, 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test. “He’s wildly overrated,” said a fifth scout. “I don’t see an overwhelming trait. A lot of people point to his run after the catch, but I think you have to evaluate the guys trying to tackle him. He’s playing against some really bad Big 12 defenses. You’re just not going up against NFL people in that league. I’m just not a big believer in his skill set transitioning.”

2. JERRY JEUDY, Alabama (6-1, 193, 4.44, 1): The third-year junior is one scout’s “favorite player to watch in the draft because he’s a very accomplished, precise route runner. You don’t often see that in a draft prospect. He’s very advanced in the route-running.” Backed up in 2017 before starting the past two years. Finished with 159 catches for 2,742 (17.2) and 26 TDs. “He has more of that superstar potential than anyone,” said another scout. “Just a phenomenal route runner. Explosive. Just makes things happen. He had some drops in the LSU game but he came back after that and caught a touchdown and a 2-point conversion. So he’s a competitor and rises up.” Posted a 9 on the Wonderlic. “He was good in the interview with us,” a third scout said. “He really understands football … He’s lived life in the ultimate football playground. Speed merchants on the outside. Point guard at quarterback. 5-star offensive line. Draftable running back. He plays in the slot and was never pressed. He’s got a three-way go every route. If you draft him to be your No. 1 and you put him at X and they have a 6-1 corner rolled up in his face with a safety over the top and a linebacker buzzing from inside, life can be a heck of a lot different. All his game is instincts, getting in and out of breaks. It’ll knock your socks off against Southern Miss and New Mexico State. If you’re set everywhere and you just need a slot guy, he’s like a luxury pick.” From Deerfield Beach, Fla. “I think Calvin Ridley, his former teammate, was a little bit better of a route runner,” a fourth scout said. “He’ll be able to get open. He can really slam on the brakes and lose people. All the physical traits are good, but nothing’s elite.”

3. HENRY RUGGS, Alabama (5-11, 188, 4.24, 1): Ruggs, who’s from Montgomery, Ala., followed a similar career arc as Jeudy, backing up as a freshman and starting two years. “He has a chance to be special because he’s got the rare trait of speed,” said one scout. “But he’s not a one-trick pony. He’s not Ted Ginn, he’s not Darrius Heyward-Bey. He’s not just an outside-the-numbers guy. He’s super athletic (vertical jump of 42), he can run every route. He’s extremely tough. When you talk to the people in Tuscaloosa, he’s the most competitive kid in the program. You want to draft playmakers, and he’s got a chance to be a great playmaker. He’s a significantly better player coming out than Tyreek Hill was.” Finished with 98 catches for 1,716 (17.5) and 24 TDs. “Does that guy turn into Brandin Cooks or Ted Ginn?” said another scout. “Often, when teams try to make (speedsters) into more than they are, they struggle. He may turn into more than that. We’ll see. I don’t see Tyreek Hill.” Third-year junior with a Wonderlic of 20. “If you expect him to come in and be your No. 1 receiver I don’t see that,” said a third scout. “He was really a specialist in their offense where they designed certain plays for him … He is fast, but when people get on him you don’t see the same speed and route running. When he gets the ball, if he has a clear path, he can go. But he’s not a make-you-miss player. I don’t think he’s timid (in traffic). But he’s not a playmaker on the ball so when bodies are around him he doesn’t catch the ball. He’s a space-vertical linear route runner that needs space to catch the ball.”

4. JUSTIN JEFFERSON, LSU (6-1, 202, 4.47, 1-2): Jefferson surprised a segment of the scouting fraternity with his fast 40. “The big thing on him was going to be his speed because he’s such a smooth athlete,” said one scout. “His workout was really good. I don’t think he’ll ever be a Pro Bowl No. 1 guy, but he’s a really good No. 2.” He destroyed Oklahoma in the national semifinals not long before declaring as a third-year junior. “Polished, good hands, does most of his damage from the slot,” another scout said. “Good all-around skill set.” A two-year starter with 165 catches for 2,415 (14.6) and 24 TDs, a third scout says he’s “a solid No. 2, but I don’t see him as a good No. 2,” a third scout said. “I don’t see ultra explosiveness. I don’t see the test numbers. He had a lot of production, but the guys he plays on this level (NFL) will be able to take some of those opportunities away. He can make contested catches. I saw him go through a lot of zone and I saw a lot of clean, free access getting off the line. I want to see him beat more press. I didn’t see that.” Jefferson is from St. Rose, La and scored 19 on the Wonderlic.

 

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Bob McGinn (long time Packers beater) released these scouting reports on the WR 

this thread seemed like a good place to put it 

 

I always see these reports about how college receivers are going to struggle against these mythical great NFL corners who are 6’1”, then you look around the league and there are maybe five or six really good man corners and a hundred guys playing corner who sucks so hard that you can never put them in man coverage

[bitonti]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

I always see these reports about how college receivers are going to struggle against these mythical great NFL corners who are 6’1”, then you look around the league and there are maybe five or six really good man corners and a hundred guys playing corner who sucks so hard that you can never put them in man coverage

Patriots CB Stephon Gilmore is the reigning defensive player of the year. JC Jackson has the best PFF CB grade in all of football. 

and the Jets play them twice 

people want Sam to play better it's not just about protecting him from pass rushers

someone needs to get open 

[Jet Nut]

23 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Ruggs is faster, the game is built on 80 yard highlights on sportscenter not chain movers

and there is that whole "he's a moron" thing

not that wide outs need to be einstein just saying there IS a case for Ruggs over Jeudy, if one looks hard enough 

the real question, why was Jeudy a top 3 pick in December and now he's top 15? scouts got to know him more 

meanwhile Ruggs has done nothing but rise  

And in the NFL route running is much more important than it is in college.  Exactly what Jeudy is known for.  You can be the fastest WR in the world but if you cant run routes you cant consistently get open.  You become the Perrimans and Robbys of the NFL.  While slow runners like Jerry Rice go on to become the GOAT

I'd love to see all those Jeudy is a top 3 pick predictions.  Given QB at one, Chase Young at 2 and the Lions at 3 I dont remember anyone, anywhere putting him top 3.  And for all the supposed rising Ruggs has done hes still viewed by almost all as the 3rd WR behind Jeudy and Lamb.  Just as he has for months

Have no idea there is a "hes a moron" thing at play.  

[bitonti]

2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

And in the NFL route running is much more important than it is in college.  Exactly what Jeudy is known for.  

I'd love to see all those Jeudy is a top 3 pick predictions.  Given QB at one, Chase Young at 2 and the Lions at 3 I dont remember anyone, anywhere putting him top 3.  And for all the supposed rising Ruggs has done hes still viewed by almost all as the 3rd WR behind Jeudy and Lamb.  Just as he has for months

Have no idea there is a "hes a moron" thing at play.  

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2865274-matt-millers-third-quarter-3-round-2020-nfl-mock-draft#slide3

[Greensleeves]

32 minutes ago, bitonti said:

the Jets have been seriously scouting Henry Ruggs since last October

the JD short list is probably something like 2 of the tackles and 1 maybe 2 of the WR 

not all 4 OT and not all 3 WR

most Jets fans assume JD is so thirsty for OL he want sloppy 4ths at 11  overall

What if he'd rather have the best wide out? 

WR IS JUST AS DIRE A NEED AS OL

The good news is, at least this year we won't have hear morons booing the pick live 

or have ESPN showing us replays of head shakers and people tearing their hair out when it's NOT OL

 

We're totally on the same page when it comes to approaching the first round. Which tackle do you think JD prefers? I don't think it's Wills either. Thomas or Jones? Wirfs will be gone by the time we pick, but do you think he's at the top of the list? 

[#27TheDominator]

14 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

I dont see the comparisons being equal between the players and as you say, the eras.  

I dont see Ruggs struggling to get free, having to grow given the way WRs are allowed to run wild today

I just dont see how you pass on a Jeudy and take Ruggs.  To me you cant risk the 11th pick, on this team with its needs projecting his talents when Jeudy is sitting there

If they are not projecting talents they should be on the beach, not in the (virtual) war room.  This safe pick philosophy is what gets you Leonard Williams or passes on Mahomes. 

[The Crusher]

13 hours ago, slats said:

I like this report. 

No one knows what the Jets are gonna do. 

Not even the Jets. They have no idea what a competent GM may do. 

[jetsons]

(Claim) Report: Jets Eyeing Henry Ruggs "Closely"

ONLY on a trade down... Maybe that's what JD may be looking to do if he decides to trade down with Atlanta @ 16... who they've already been rumored with.

[Jet Nut]

12 minutes ago, bitonti said:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2865274-matt-millers-third-quarter-3-round-2020-nfl-mock-draft#slide3

Lets start with the Redskins aren't picking 3rd.  Then we'll go onto this was done in December.  These mocks are done with an eye on players who they think a team at a slot need.  If no one needs a WR in the first 10 picks that's not a know on the WR

And the main point, its a single December mock.  Doesnt make it a drastic slide.

Look I like Ruggs.  I could see him picked.  I wouldnt get twisted by that pick.  Doesnt mean I'm shltting on Jeudy or acting like its stupid to pick the top rated WR in this class. 

[Jet Nut]

6 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

If they are not projecting talents they should be on the beach, not in the (virtual) war room.  This safe pick philosophy is what gets you Leonard Williams or passes on Mahomes. 

Safe pick philosophy, lol 

The safe pick gets you Bosa too.  I remember how badly that was supposed to work out on these pages too

I can find more examples of top rated players who work out over gambles that dont

[#27TheDominator]

34 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Ruggs is faster, the game is built on 80 yard highlights on sportscenter not chain movers

and there is that whole "he's a moron" thing

not that wide outs need to be einstein just saying there IS a case for Ruggs over Jeudy, if one looks hard enough 

the real question, why was Jeudy a top 3 pick in December and now he's top 15? scouts got to know him more 

meanwhile Ruggs has done nothing but rise  

If Jeudy is a moron, what is Lamb?

[bitonti]

5 minutes ago, Greensleeves said:

We're totally on the same page when it comes to approaching the first round. Which tackle do you think JD prefers? I don't think it's Wills either. Thomas or Jones? Wirfs will be gone by the time we pick, but do you think he's at the top of the list? 

Bit's prediction of JD's list 

1. Andrew Thomas - Long, penalty free and big game experience 

2. Mekhi Becton - Freak athlete who comes around once every 20 years 

 

huge gap

 

5. Josh Jones etc. 

 

I don't think he wants any part of Wills, and he will take Wirfs only if he has to. Both are short by Gase system standards. He's looking trade down (jones is a top 25 player not a top 15 player) and WR Ruggs as the safety school if the 2 tackles are gone and he can't move. 

The thing about JD being an Offensive line expert is that these guys don't need to spend big money and big picks on "Sure things" an expert should be able to find a starter in rd 2 or rd 3 (*usually worthless picks in Jets history*)

and use the 11 pick on a "sure thing" at a position they aren't as strong in scouting/development

 

[bitonti]

1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said:

If Jeudy is a moron, what is Lamb?

a potted plant?