Jets on the clock first draft pick

[joewilly12]

7 hours ago, Wonderboy said:

Who says you’re a slow learner.

You obviously know nothing about football.  Stick to pocket pool. 

[TMAC]

One game into the season and Jet fans are already focused on the 2021 draft.  Pathetic beyond belief.  the games have lost all meaning besides draft consequences.  When you consider the franchise's success rate in the draft, this is even more ridiculous--bordering on the mentally ill.  

When Eli Manning was drafted by the Chargers, he made it known that he would not play for that dysfunctional organization.  His father had squandered his career in New Orleans and was not about to let his son do the same.  Why would Trevor Lawrence or any other "special" QB prospect play for the Jets?  Considering how Sam Darnold is being handled, being drafted by the Jets is like being sentenced to death.

[JTJet]

5 hours ago, GREENBEAN said:

Is that a challenge sir? 

We'll find out soon enough lol. 

[The Crimson King]

Trade down and build a team ready for the next QB

[Warfish]

15 hours ago, jgb said:

What’s JD’s pick?

No idea today.

Sorry, just think we have to see this year play out (Darnold, Mims, Perine) before we could really say.

[kelly]

..hang out a sign that says   " BEST OFFER "   

 

 

cheers ~ ~ 

[jgb]

3 hours ago, TMAC said:

One game into the season and Jet fans are already focused on the 2021 draft.  Pathetic beyond belief.  the games have lost all meaning besides draft consequences.  When you consider the franchise's success rate in the draft, this is even more ridiculous--bordering on the mentally ill.  

When Eli Manning was drafted by the Chargers, he made it known that he would not play for that dysfunctional organization.  His father had squandered his career in New Orleans and was not about to let his son do the same.  Why would Trevor Lawrence or any other "special" QB prospect play for the Jets?  Considering how Sam Darnold is being handled, being drafted by the Jets is like being sentenced to death.

So we are pathetic for talking about the draft already but it’s not pathetic to argue that nothing will ever change and no one good will ever play for us. Wow.

[Wonderboy]

3 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

You obviously know nothing about football.  Stick to pocket pool. 

Joewilly12’s gameplay vs. 49ers

 

[TMAC]

I think things can change.  But they won't change if the Johnsons own the team and Gase is coaching.

[Wonderboy]

16 hours ago, JTJet said:

Well, we still have a ways to go to pick number 1.... so....

OMG GET A LIFE ?

[JTJet]

6 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

OMG GET A LIFE ?

Just being fair lol. Technicallyyyyy we arent in the top 10 worst teams yet. We will get a clearer picture tomorrow though lol. 

[kelly]

21 minutes ago, JTJet said:

Just being fair lol. Technicallyyyyy we arent in the top 10 worst teams yet. We will get a clearer picture tomorrow though lol. 

..NOT  a pretty picture i fear  

[slimjasi]

I just can’t think about this seriously until it actually happens - I’ll continue to believe that we will find a way to not get the top pick until proven otherwise 

[Bowles Movement]

17 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

They'd have to pick a QB, they wouldn't have a choice. Not going Lawrence means they'd be looking at picking up his option. If they did, they'd be committing to him so they'd either be looking at working out an extension or looking at having another losing year to pick a top QB.

They are in one of the worst timelines because this season should be the one they make a decision on Sam and they're going to have to make one without all the information. 

If the Jets have the worst record in football then I think they have all the information they need on Darnold.  I grade him on  a curve based on line and skill positions but the defense isnt horrible so Sam would have to really suck all year for them to pick first.  If they pick Lawrence Id let them both compete for the job and if Sam wins that wouldnt be the worst thing in the world to have two good QBs.  Remember Dallas with Morton and Staubach?  Didnt they also take Aikman and Danny White?

[peebag]

Wow, people are really over rating Justin Fields ability.

[FidelioJet]

16 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

 

 

If JD isn't trying to win, meaning he is doing a slow methodical roster build and not spending now on some quick, expensive fixes at positions like WR, Edge rusher, etc. then does that mean he's not all that interested in evaluating the HC or the QB with better players around them this year?

1) He and Gase are on the same page and timeline. Gase isn’t going anywhere. 
2) in JD’s mind he’s already moved on from Sam. Nothing left to evaluate. 

[AL047]

The Jets have two first round picks in 2021 draft!!!! Remember it isn't going to take one year to fix this team or even one person or even a head coach!!!! This team needs to build the talent and give the head coach the players he needs to run his system. As of right now the Jets need to add to the oline (right tackle, guard, and center); OLB (edge rusher), ILB, WR(a #1 WR), DB, 

1) If the Jets get the #1 pick they should trade it and add more picks to keep building this team.

2) With their picks they can go any route they want. But IMO, they need to keep building that offensive line. Sure they drafted Becton for one of the tackle spots, but he isn't enough. He needs additional help on that oline to help protect the QB and open the run. With there second they need to add a edge rusher, which is a must!!!! They have been needing a edge rusher since John Abraham left and no GM has even tried to fix this problem. 

With those picks of an olineman and edge rush, they are both area of needs on offense and defense. After that Joe Douglas will have to work his magic again by picking the right players to form some what of a team.

[Wonderboy]

1 hour ago, JTJet said:

Just being fair lol. Technicallyyyyy we arent in the top 10 worst teams yet. We will get a clearer picture tomorrow though lol. 

5 minutes in you’ll have your answer

[Jetsfan80]

18 hours ago, Wonderboy said:

Trade the #1 pick.  GM’s that need a QB would give their first born to get Trevor. 

We need a QB.  That would be cemented by picking 1st in the first place. 

So we should probably just go ahead and take Trevor.  

[Jetsfan80]

17 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Lawrence plus present jets team and head coach  = talking about a new QB 2 and half years from now.

Lawrence will not be playing with clemson vs the citadel he will be QB for the citadel vs clemson, that is how terrible our talent is.

No, it won't.  Because picking 1st will mean there's a good chance Gase is gone.  And you don't shy from taking a QB just because the roster is bad.  Darnold was done no favors, but he's also not a good QB.  That just as much as anything is why we're talking about a new QB in the first place; Sam isn't the goods.  That won't be the case with Lawrence.

We have four first round picks in the next 2 seasons.  3 of them would be available to build around Trevor.  Take him.

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, The Crimson King said:

Trade down and build a team ready for the next QB

Build a team ready for a QB, and we won't be in as good of a position to draft a top QB. 

As much as I'd feel confident in relying on Douglas to be taking the 3rd or 4th QB off the board in a given draft and still find a franchise guy, I'd rather that decision be a fairly easy one.  

If we're picking early and like a QB on the board, you take him.  Period.

[Beerfish]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

No, it won't.  Because picking 1st will mean there's a good chance Gase is gone.  And you don't shy from taking a QB just because the roster is bad.  Darnold was done no favors, but he's also not a good QB.  That just as much as anything is why we're talking about a new QB in the first place; Sam isn't the goods.  That won't be the case with Lawrence.

We have four first round picks in the next 2 seasons.  3 of them would be available to build around Trevor.  Take him.

People keep saying this and yet the gm is his buddy whom he had a big hand in helping get hired and the dumbass jets owners just called him a freaking genius.   What should happen and what will happen are miles apart in jet land.

Most people new rex was done 2 years before he was fired.

Todd boles lasted two years long then he should.

Mike freaking mccagan lasted 5 years.

All things point to GaSe being here two more years no matter what because we have 'injuries' as an excuse and the owners know nothing.

[Beerfish]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Build a team ready for a QB, and we won't be in as good of a position to draft a top QB. 

As much as I'd feel confident in relying on Douglas to be taking the 3rd or 4th QB off the board in a given draft and still find a franchise guy, I'd rather that decision be a fairly easy one.  

If we're picking early and like a QB on the board, you take him.  Period.

Pat Mahommes, Russel wilson, Aaron rogers, Lamar jackson.

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

People keep saying this and yet the gm is his buddy whom he had a big hand in helping get hired and the dumbass jets owners just called him a freaking genius.   What should happen and what will happen are miles apart in jet land.

Most people new rex was done 2 years before he was fired.

Todd boles lasted two years long then he should.

Mike freaking mccagan lasted 5 years.

All things point to GaSe being here two more years no matter what because we have 'injuries' as an excuse and the owners know nothing.

 

We have no idea what Joe Douglas is thinking one way or the other.  But its safe to say that going 2-14 and picking 1st generally leads to a HC getting fired regardless. 

I'll choose to go with that line of thinking than the alternative; Douglas being loyal to Gase to a fault.  If Douglas really is like that, then he probably isn't the answer at GM and we're f**ked regardless.

[Jetsfan80]

8 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Pat Mahommes, Russel wilson, Aaron rogers, Lamar jackson.

All 32 teams passed on Wilson, for 2 rounds.  It wasn't exactly smart front office work that brought Wilson in to Seattle.

But sure, I'll give you the other 3.  It's just that it's rare to be able to depend on the 3rd or 4th QB (or late 1st round type) off the board being a success story.  For every Mahomes, Rodgers or Jackson I can list off Josh Rosen, Paxton Lynch, Brandon Weeden, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Josh Freeman, Brady Quinn and Jason Campbell in that same span.

Meanwhile, you can't depend on every QB class being loaded with quality prospects.  If the choice is between taking a top QB you like from this draft and having to wait a couple years to build up the roster, the better option is the former.

[AL047]

The media is hyping up Trevor Lawrence, the same way Mark Sanchez, Geno Smith and Sam Darnold were in college hyped up. In the end once the Jets drafted them and the safety blanket came off everyone saw the faults of these QBs which were failures!!! 

Jets fans are falling for the same with Lawrence, and notice also nobody mentions any of the other QBs coming out of college. The same can be said with the likes of Mahomes, Dak Prescott and Jackson, none were hyped up when they were in college and were drafted and are successful starters. 

Look at the coincidence Sam Darnold was hyped up as being the best QB all year round. Darnold came out of  good college program in USC and won games and bowl games. He was hyped before the draft as having a good combine. The Jets traded up to get him and look at what they got, a QB that makes mental mistakes constantly. Its the same thing all over again but with Trevor Lawrence!!!!

People do your homework before anointing Trevor Lawrence as the answer!!!! Remember there are other QBs coming out that haven't been mentioned or even hyped up. Right now Trevor Lawrence sounds like another Sam Darnold coming out of college.

[Jetsfan80]

6 minutes ago, AL047 said:

The media is hyping up Trevor Lawrence, the same way Mark Sanchez, Geno Smith and Sam Darnold were in college hyped up. In the end once the Jets drafted them and the safety blanket came off everyone saw the faults of these QBs which were failures!!! 

Jets fans are falling for the same with Lawrence, and notice also nobody mentions any of the other QBs coming out of college. The same can be said with the likes of Mahomes, Dak Prescott and Jackson, none were hyped up when they were in college and were drafted and are successful starters. 

Look at the coincidence Sam Darnold was hyped up as being the best QB all year round. Darnold came out of  good college program in USC and won games and bowl games. He was hyped before the draft as having a good combine. The Jets traded up to get him and look at what they got, a QB that makes mental mistakes constantly. Its the same thing all over again but with Trevor Lawrence!!!!

People do your homework before anointing Trevor Lawrence as the answer!!!! Remember there are other QBs coming out that haven't been mentioned or even hyped up. Right now Trevor Lawrence sounds like another Sam Darnold coming out of college.

 

When Lawrence's college career ends, he'll have had 41-42 starts under his belt.  Darnold finished with 27.  That's a massive difference on its own.

Once the evaluation process plays out fully I'm sure it'll end up with Lawrence as the superior prospect to Darnold, and not by a slim margin, either.  

Stop comparing the 2.

[Smashmouth]

If the Jets have the number 1 pick in the draft and they think Darnold is still the guy we could trade the pick  possibly have 4 1st round picks and 3 second round picks and maybe 2 first rounders the following year. You can rebuild an entire team with that haul.

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, Smashmouth said:

If the Jets have the number 1 pick in the draft and they think Darnold is still the guy we could trade the pick  possibly have 4 1st round picks and 3 second round picks and maybe 2 first rounders the following year. You can rebuild an entire team with that haul.

How would Darnold be "the guy" if we're picking 1st?

[Smashmouth]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

How would Darnold be "the guy" if we're picking 1st?

Well you know crappy surrounding cast LOL. Or Chis Johnson telling his GM to give Darnold one more year another LOL

Do you put this past this Idiot organization ? Douglas is smart but Im sure the Johnsons can figure out a way to dumb him down

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Well you know crappy surrounding cast LOL. Or Chis Johnson telling his GM to give Darnold one more year another LOL

Do you put this past this Idiot organization ? Douglas is smart but Im sure the Johnsons can figure out a way to dumb him down

Well then surely there's a team in league circles who would agree and trade for Darnold.  

The Cardinals traded Josh Rosen for a 2 and a 5 after taking Kyler Murray.  Surely we could expect a package of picks rivaling or exceeding that, no?

But under no circumstances should a QB-needy team pass on taking a QB at # 1 overall, unless its a 2013-esque class where Geno Smith is the best prospect.  That won't be the case this season.

[Mogglez]

2 hours ago, peebag said:

Wow, people are really over rating Justin Fields ability.

I mean, I like Fields... however, I like Lawrence and Lance far more.

[Mogglez]

20 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Well then surely there's a team in league circles who would agree and trade for Darnold.  

The Cardinals traded Josh Rosen for a 2 and a 5 after taking Kyler Murray.  Surely we could expect a package of picks rivaling or exceeding that, no?

But under no circumstances should a QB-needy team pass on taking a QB at # 1 overall, unless its a 2013-esque class where Geno Smith is the best prospect.  That won't be the case this season.

The scariest part about passing on a QB this upcoming draft is that this is how the 2022 class is looking.  Sam Howell at QB1 (as of today)???  Nooooooooo thank you.  I need to see way more before I consider that.

[UntouchableCrew]

If the Jets finish with the first overall pick either Darnold imploded and was terrible or suffered a seasn ending injury. Either way the choice is clear -- you draft Lawrence, fire Gase and start clean.

[Mogglez]