TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 I wasn't a fan of Todd Bowles, so this doesn't come as a Bowles apologist. He is not a bad head coach, but I don't think that he is necessarily a good coach either based on what I saw with the Jets. Some second time head coaches grow from being fired and taking a demotion. If he gets to assemble his own coaching staff and works well with the GM, I could see him becoming a respectable head coach. He had Macc as a GM. Think about that. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 34 minutes ago, chirorob said: Agree 100% Ultimately, a lot of a coaches success depends on the GMs ability to bring in talent. A good coach can squeeze a few extra wins out of a roster. Vince Lombardi doesn't win 8 games with this year's Jets roster. His issues were mostly game management, half time adjustments, and players not showing up for games.....he had way more problems as a HC then talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: I wasn't a fan of Todd Bowles, so this doesn't come as a Bowles apologist. He is not a bad head coach, but I don't think that he is necessarily a good coach either based on what I saw with the Jets. Some second time head coaches grow from being fired and taking a demotion. If he gets to assemble his own coaching staff and works well with the GM, I could see him becoming a respectable head coach. He had Macc as a GM. Think about that. Your last sentence is why teams are interviewing Bowles! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 minute ago, undertow said: His issues were mostly game management, half time adjustments, and players not showing up for games.....he had way more problems as a HC then talent. Agree. He had a lot to learn and did not maximize what he had here, and hopefully he has learned a lot with BA. He will also need talent, which Detroit doesn't always provide. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: Think since Bowles left it has been reported that Mac never ONCE essentially consulted with Bowles about the draft. Not Once!!! Madness! Mac was one the worst GMs in the NFL for the last twenty years!!! Macc wasn't a bad GM, he is in the running for absolute worst. I twisted myself into a pretzel trying to convince myself that Macc had a good plan, and I fully accept that I was DEAD wrong about him. If it's true that he selected players without the nod from Bowles, that would cement Macc as the worst ever. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thai Jet Posted January 10, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 hour ago, bitonti said: And it was shocking how much better mediocre was than rock bottom I'm convinced that a certain amount of the fans hated Bowles for non football reasons. Anyone who used the term 'cigar store Indian' knows who they are You are SO off base. The term "cigar store Indian" refers to Bowles lack of ANY emotion during games. Much like a Cigar store Indian. Wooden, without feeling. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 minute ago, chirorob said: Agree. He had a lot to learn and did not maximize what he had here, and hopefully he has learned a lot with BA. He will also need talent, which Detroit doesn't always provide. Yeah if he gets another job he should make sure it's a good situation with lots of support...not Detroit. lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: Macc wasn't a bad GM, he is in the running for absolute worst. I twisted myself into a pretzel trying to convince myself that Macc had a good plan, and I fully accept that I was DEAD wrong about him. If it's true that he selected players without the nod from Bowles, that would cement Macc as the worst ever. Its macc, matt millen, and really old Al Davis as the 3 worst i can remember 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 I mean it's going to be a better re-hire than Gase.... Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Embrace the Suck said: I agree except for Rex. I don't think he was all that good. His overload blitzes got figured out pretty quick. Take away his time with the Ravens who had a D full of HoF players and he hasn't much of a resume to look at. Here's an article looking a the numbers. Examining Rex Ryan’s Reputation The big difference between Rex and Bowles is that Rex when he first got to the Jets had a GREAT veteran Staff while Bowles had the WORST staff in the NFL and it wasn't close!!! Think Rex had ---- Callahan, Anthony Lynn, Westoff, Pett, Sutton, Thurman and yes Schotty... If Bowles had Rex's staff he would have been I believe successful with the Jets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, Thai Jet said: You are SO off base. The term "cigar store Indian" refers to Bowles lack of ANY emotion during games. Much like a Cigar store Indian. Wooden, without feeling. The cigar store Indian itself is a racist trope. What happened to the Indians? It's not good From Wikipedia "People within the Native American community often view such likenesses as a caricature or as depictions that perpetuate stereotypes, drawing an analogy to the African-American lawn jockey." Someone who thinks it's appropriate to compare the current NFL head coach to a brown wooden statue knows what they are saying and needs to update their vocabulary at the least. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Warfish said: Good for Coach Bowles. While he certainly didn't work out here, I don't have any ill will towards him. Good luck to him if he gets another opportunity. Agree. Despite everything Coach Bowles seems like a genuinely good guy. Best of luck to him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 All you needed to know about Bowles is when the Jets took 2 safeties at the top of the draft, including passing on Mahomes and Watson despite NOT HAVING AN OFFENSE, he was smiling ear to ear . Seems like a good guy but he has no business being an HC. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 20 minutes ago, chirorob said: Its macc, matt millen, and really old Al Davis as the 3 worst i can remember What about that guy who gave Quincy Enunwa an injury guarantee? Oh wait that was Mac too. God he was terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Unpopular opinion: Bowles was underwhelming his last couple years here, but Mike Maccagnan was the bigger problem here.....he went 10-6 with actual NFL talent on our roster.... Worse coaches have gotten 2nd chances.....He’s well regarded in the league so he may get a 2nd chance in the near future. I wish him the best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, bitonti said: The cigar store Indian itself is a racist trope. What happened to the Indians? It's not good From Wikipedia "People within the Native American community often view such likenesses as a caricature or as depictions that perpetuate stereotypes, drawing an analogy to the African-American lawn jockey." Someone who thinks it's appropriate to compare the current NFL head coach to a brown wooden statue knows what they are saying and needs to update their vocabulary at the least. Don’t even bother.....the closet bigotry around these parts at times is laughable ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Matt Patricia BAD Todd Bowles WORSE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Good defensive mind but not HC material. There are a ton of guys who were great coordinators but flopped as HC, it takes a special kind of lunacy to run the entire operation What really soured me on him here was his stubbornness to stick with his hand picked assistants even when they weren't up to par, like Kacy Rodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 hour ago, carlito1171 said: Unpopular opinion: Bowles was underwhelming his last couple years here, but Mike Maccagnan was the bigger problem here.....he went 10-6 with actual NFL talent on our roster.... Worse coaches have gotten 2nd chances.....He’s well regarded in the league so he may get a 2nd chance in the near future. I wish him the best! Only problem is when Maccagnan announced he was taking Adams with Mahomes and Watson still on the board, NOBODY in the room broke anything nor threw his phone across the room, nor screamed at him that he was a blasted fool. And that NOBODY includes Bowles. 2016 Jets HAD NO OFFENSE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Bugg said: Only problem is when Maccagnan announced he was taking Adams with Mahomes and Watson still on the board, NOBODY in the room broke anything nor threw his phone across the room, nor screamed at him that he was a blasted fool. And that NOBODY includes Bowles. 2016 Jets HAD NO OFFENSE. Ok....so your one knock is that Bowles along with the rest of the staff didn’t act like unprofessional, petulant children when Mac was busy lighting our dumpster on fire? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, Icer said: What really soured me on him here was his stubbornness to stick with his hand picked assistants even when they weren't up to par, like Kacy Rodgers. This I def agree with......Rodgers was a “coffee fetcher” anyways but I think firing John Morton after one year as OC but keeping Kacey on was a huge mistake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Thai Jet said: You are SO off base. The term "cigar store Indian" refers to Bowles lack of ANY emotion during games. Much like a Cigar store Indian. Wooden, without feeling. Thank you for clearing up the witch hunt. He is not native american indian either, so the whole accusation is baseless but the poster probably felt good about himself while typing that racist trash 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 As long as Todd Bowles isn't interviewing for the NY Jets HC job. I don't give a damn where that fool winds up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 20 minutes ago, carlito1171 said: Ok....so your one knock is that Bowles along with the rest of the staff didn’t act like unprofessional, petulant children when Mac was busy lighting our dumpster on fire? ? That somebody didn't freak the f__ out, yes. Groupthink isn't thinking at all. 2016 Jets had Fitzmagic, Geno and Petty as their QBs, and were 30th in points scored. Their offense was NONCOMPETITIVE. Sitting there while Coffee Boy picks a f___ing safety and then smiling about it means you have NO BUSINESS being an NFL HC. That single IDIOTIC decision has set this franchise back roughly 8 seasons at least. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/2016.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: The big difference between Rex and Bowles is that Rex when he first got to the Jets had a GREAT veteran Staff while Bowles had the WORST staff in the NFL and it wasn't close!!! Think Rex had ---- Callahan, Anthony Lynn, Westoff, Pett, Sutton, Thurman and yes Schotty... If Bowles had Rex's staff he would have been I believe successful with the Jets. Who puts the staff together? Bowles, Gase, and Rex all had BFFs on their staff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMAC Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 A marriage made in heaven. Hope they like punts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 10 hours ago, varjet said: The Jets and Lions, two teams owned by members of the Lucky Sperm Club, tend to operate similarly. This is very predictable. PERFECT .... for both. A team with a QB on his way out. Bowles will shlt the bed and not be blamed as The fault will fall on lack of QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 good for him nice guy horrible personality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 This isn't even slightly surprising to anyone who was paying attention. He's highly regarded throughout the league, and despite his failure with the Jets, that was made pretty apparent throughout his time here, and as much was regularly reported. He always seemed likely to be one of those guys to get himself interviews again after some time back down on the coordinator level. Doesn't mean I'd want him here, or that he'll even land another job, but getting consideration is not even slightly surprising to those willing to look past their own bitterness towards him. Let's not forget, the completely justified firings of Herm, Mangini, and Rex didn't stop each from getting the opportunity to ultimately do even worse with other teams at the same job, so that should tell you how much the rest of the league thinks about a coach's success with the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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