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Hey Mel,  

whether he is a hack or not......what he says about zach wilson is true. he was good for 1 yr against a schedule full of sh*t teams.....and lost to the only good team on the schedule. that doesn't eve

I’m starting to think there’s a conspiracy going on with these so called draft experts. They just want the Jets continue to lose so they have someone to kick around.

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I’m on board with keeping Darnold. I doesn’t make sense to me to trade our potential franchise QB only to draft another potential franchise QB and the only reason to trade him is.......”his time here is up” that’s not a good enough reason. Darnold will be a star somewhere else and we will still be waiting for our Draft pick to carry a team devoid of talent


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I’m on board with keeping Darnold. I doesn’t make sense to me to trade our potential franchise QB only to draft another potential franchise QB and the only reason to trade him is.......”his time here is up” that’s not a good enough reason. Darnold will be a star somewhere else and we will still be waiting for our Draft pick to carry a team devoid of talent


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I think this is possible .. but in the end it's about weighing probabilities...

Beyond Lawrence ... Sticking w Darnold this year might be the best option as we build up the team.

If he fails... draft a QB next year....

Slovis ?

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Agreed, Zach Wilson is not the answer and honestly, I'd much rather stick with Sam over drafting Mitch Manziel. 

Fields on the other hand, that would be silly to pass on him to stick with sh*tty Sam.

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Agreed, Zach Wilson is not the answer and honestly, I'd much rather stick with Sam over drafting Mitch Manziel. 
Fields on the other hand, that would be silly to pass on him to stick with sh*tty Sam.


LOLOLOL ... Fields ... is this a joke ? Neither Wilson, Fields or Lance deserve to go 2 overall.

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16 minutes ago, JiF said:

Agreed, Zach Wilson is not the answer and honestly, I'd much rather stick with Sam over drafting Mitch Manziel. 

Fields on the other hand, that would be silly to pass on him to stick with sh*tty Sam.

sometimes i love wilson, and other times, i think saleh and douglas will keep darnold, trade back, stock the team as best they can with every position except qb and essentially defer the qb decision until next season with the understanding that darnold is not likely the answer.

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Fortunately for us, most of the absolute, blue-chip prospects are on the offensive side of the ball: Sewell, Chase, Pitts, Waddle.

Everyone can have their preference of quarterback prospects, but none of the prospects slated to be available at 2 are nearly as 'can't miss' as those four players. 

Don't overthink this. Just make sure you get one of those four players - and hey if you can get extra picks in the process? You did good, kid.

For all the sh*t Kiper takes, I think that's essentially what he's saying here. 

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1 hour ago, rangerous said:

I suppose you can say kiper must know something but then the whole talking head landscape is littered with with people like Stephen A, or Greenie, both of whom know absolutely nothing about anything.  And then this goes down to the local level with guys like carton or benigno and even maneesh who are just good at stirring things up without knowing what’s best.  
 

I know I have zero credentials. I’m just a fan and try to logically understand the process and why certain players should be kept or launched.

Im not saying Manish or most sports reporters are much better informed than we are   In some cases they are probably less so.  But a guy whose only job is to study football players all year long has to have more data ( not to mention experience) than just about any fan.   
 

Id say Im like you.  I have some opinions but roll with what they do, sometimes excited about their decisions and sometimes less so, but always hoping they made the right decision.
Most posters here ( including myself) were excited that “ the best QB of the 2018 draft” fell to us when the “ stupid Giants “ took a RB.   Now many of those same posters say Sam sucks and want to dump him and draft their new favorite QB.  The Fant signing also had many detractors but now many posters are saying hes good enough that we shouldnt draft the highest rated tackle to ever come out. 

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22 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

I think this is possible .. but in the end it's about weighing probabilities...

Beyond Lawrence ... Sticking w Darnold this year might be the best option as we build up the team.

If he fails... draft a QB next year....

Slovis ?

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You would prefer Slovis over Fields??   This place is taking crazy pills.  

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this is why i think the #2 pick will be better used on either sewell or a trade down for a haul and pick up some oline an skill guys. darnold can play this game, he's just been surrounds by sh*t and bad coaching. move the team forward please. although i would be ok with watson for no more than 3 1st rounders

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12 hours ago, dcJet said:

Oh good.  There's hope for Morgan who went to Fashion Institute University.

He did look fabulous. Perhaps that's why we drafted him.

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When people here say , “ stick with Sam, build the rest of the team by trading down, get a QB next year.” Are you assuming we are drafting in the top 3 again? Or are we planning to trade all our picks to move up for a rookie like we could be this year for Watson if available? Personally I think we stick with Sam and we are less the a 6 win team. 

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41 minutes ago, tfine said:

I’m on board with keeping Darnold. I doesn’t make sense to me to trade our potential franchise QB only to draft another potential franchise QB and the only reason to trade him is.......”his time here is up” that’s not a good enough reason. Darnold will be a star somewhere else and we will still be waiting for our Draft pick to carry a team devoid of talent


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Only reason to trade Sam is because his time is up? Not his bottom of the league stats? Wow! 

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12 hours ago, flgreen said:

ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler spoke about the Jets’ draft plans on SportsCenter on Sunday and he revealed that the organization is “intrigued” by Wilson. “They like his game. They believe he can really spin it,” Fowler said.

Does anyone else think that JD would fire any employee that leaked draft info without his direct knowledge or permission? Yeah, me too. The Draft Room at One Jets Drive is locked down tighter than a virgin a$$hole on day one at a supermax prison.

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19 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said:

Im not saying Manish or most sports reporters are much better informed than we are   In some cases they are probably less so.  But a guy whose only job is to study football players all year long has to have more data ( not to mention experience) than just about any fan.   
 

Id say Im like you.  I have some opinions but roll with what they do, sometimes excited about their decisions and sometimes less so, but always hoping they made the right decision.
Most posters here ( including myself) were excited that “ the best QB of the 2018 draft” fell to us when the “ stupid Giants “ took a RB.   Now many of those same posters say Sam sucks and want to dump him and draft their new favorite QB.  The Fant signing also had many detractors but now many posters are saying hes good enough that we shouldnt draft the highest rated tackle to ever come out. 

i'd believe a guy like kiper if his results were actually published somewhere.  i'm sure just about anyone could dig up his previous predictions and give him a grade.  same thing for the other guys like mcshay or others.  i'm not motivated enough to do it, though.

but i do think the giaints were stupid to go for barkley as opposed to a qb.  not that barkley is a bad player but it's plenty clear that team needed more than a running back to turn itself around.  i suspect gettleman was trying squeeze one more year out of eli.

as for darnold, this is a decision that doglas and saleh will have to resolve.  i think they'll make a good decision no matter which way they go.  and i just don't see drafting sewall to be good use of the number two pick.  the jets worked hard to get there, they need to make it count.

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4 hours ago, oatmeal said:

When you have one of the most polarizing teams in sports history and a low hanging fruit fan base, in the words largest media market, it leads to a prefect storm of click bait porn. 
 


ESPN know the majority of the fan base are done with Sam, ESPN is also a struggling network.. nothing to see here 

 

Perhaps you should move on to pancakes.☺

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6 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

When people here say , “ stick with Sam, build the rest of the team by trading down, get a QB next year.” Are you assuming we are drafting in the top 3 again? Or are we planning to trade all our picks to move up for a rookie like we could be this year for Watson if available? Personally I think we stick with Sam and we are less the a 6 win team. 

I made a post about this before, it is a fallacy that the best place to find great QB is with a top 3 pick in the draft. Heck, only  6 of the 21 QBs who have started multiple SB games were selected with a top 3 pick. 

 

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37 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

When people here say , “ stick with Sam, build the rest of the team by trading down, get a QB next year.” Are you assuming we are drafting in the top 3 again? Or are we planning to trade all our picks to move up for a rookie like we could be this year for Watson if available? Personally I think we stick with Sam and we are less the a 6 win team. 

Agreed.   Never mind the fact that the QB class in 2022 is poor, but even IF there is a QB worth taking, will you be in position to take him without trading away picks to do so?   I can’t imagine passing on a kid like Fields this year and then having to trade picks to get a Keedon Slovis next year??   That’s insanity.  The Jets are in position to draft a really good QB prospect this year without having to give up additional draft capital to do so.  

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4 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Agreed.   Never mind the fact that the QB class in 2022 is poor, but even IF there is a QB worth taking, will you be in position to take him without trading away picks to do so?   I can’t imagine passing on a kid like Fields this year and then having to trade picks to get a Keedon Slovis next year??   That’s insanity.  The Jets are in position to draft a really good QB prospect this year without having to give up additional draft capital to do so.  

Exactly my thought. Grab Fields and build a team around him. 

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4 hours ago, The Crusher said:

Only reason to trade Sam is because his time is up? Not his bottom of the league stats? Wow! 

Here is where my head explodes.....I dont want sam now, never wanted sam.

but it's not just his stats that are bad....the ENTIRE offense had bad stats, every player at every position had bad stats. That tells me that it wasn't just the qb who is the issue. If there was a wr or guard or TE who had a good year then I'd say it wasn't the scheme because clearly some players were able to turn shiiii!t to sugar. But its hard to say it's only the qb when each and every player on that side of the ball has looked like sheeet for at least 2 years. 

 I make zero excuses for the kid but damn, NOBODY having a good year means there is a bigger picture problem and that man was fired. Sam can still be the crappy qb I think he will be but it's hard to ignore the other 10 guys on offense and the coaching staff in its entirety and say that ONLY his stats indicate he sucks and everyone else's sucky stats means if we had a better qb and different offensive philosophy we would rank higher as an offense and as a team. 

Sam can't read pre-snap, he cannot consistently hit the long ball, he misses wide open receivers and often doesn't even see wide open receivers. These are just facts and why I think we need to move on....

I still don't want him....but the Gase effect is real. 

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8 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

I made a post about this before, it is a fallacy that the best place to find great QB is with a top 3 pick in the draft. Heck, only  6 of the 21 QBs who have started multiple SB games were selected with a top 3 pick. 

 

You can only draft the QBs that are still on the board. I don’t disagree with you, but we don’t have a QB except the lowest ranked one in the league. Maybe it’s a little desperate, but I’d take the best QB available with the highest ceiling this year and start the rebuild. I’m not sure who that is but I’m taking him while I can. Yet,  I’m not a GM or even very knowledgeable about this stuff like others here, I just know I can’t watch another  season watching Bumbling Stumbling Sam Darnold take another snap for this franchise.  

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1 minute ago, jetspenguin said:

Here is where my head explodes.....I dont want sam now, never wanted sam.

but it's not just his stats that are bad....the ENTIRE office had bad stats, every player at every position had bad stats. That tells me that it wasn't just the qb who is the issue. If there was a wr or guard or TE who had a good year then I'd say it wasn't the scheme because clearly some players were able to turn shiiii!t to sugar. But its hard to say it's only the qb then each and every player on that side of the ball has looked like sheeet for at least 2 years. 

 I make zero excuses for the kid but damn, NOBODY having a good year means there is a bigger picture problem and that man was fired. Sam can still be the crappy qb I think he will be but it's hard to ignore the other 10 guys on offense and the coaching staff in its entirety and say that ONLY his stats indicate he sucks and everyone else's sucky stats means if we had a better qb and different offensive philosophy we would rank higher as an offense and as a team. 

Sam can't read pre-snap, he cannot consistently hit the long ball, he misses wide open receivers and often doesn't even see wide open receivers. These are just facts and why I think we need to move on....

I still don't want him....but the Gase effect is real. 

Nice post. Thank you. 

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21 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Agreed.   Never mind the fact that the QB class in 2022 is poor, but even IF there is a QB worth taking, will you be in position to take him without trading away picks to do so?   I can’t imagine passing on a kid like Fields this year and then having to trade picks to get a Keedon Slovis next year??   That’s insanity.  The Jets are in position to draft a really good QB prospect this year without having to give up additional draft capital to do so.  

Agree.  But they need to get this right.  If Fields isn't a big time QB, and I mean Big time, they need to build the roster

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1 hour ago, tfine said:

I’m on board with keeping Darnold. I doesn’t make sense to me to trade our potential franchise QB only to draft another potential franchise QB and the only reason to trade him is.......”his time here is up” that’s not a good enough reason. Darnold will be a star somewhere else and we will still be waiting for our Draft pick to carry a team devoid of talent


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"Potential franchise QB".  lmao.

4th year in the league and people still want to talk about "potential".

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57 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

When people here say , “ stick with Sam, build the rest of the team by trading down, get a QB next year.” Are you assuming we are drafting in the top 3 again? Or are we planning to trade all our picks to move up for a rookie like we could be this year for Watson if available? Personally I think we stick with Sam and we are less the a 6 win team. 

Sticking with Sam is not the same as committing to Sam. If the Jets pass on a QB they are electing to evaluate Sam for one more season (sans Gase) thus putting off the QB decision for another season. 

You can make a fair argument that this is a reasonable approach. However, the 5th year option really complicates this path. Do the Jets really want to guarantee Darnold $20MM in 2022? If not are they really going to enter 2021 with only James Morgan under contract for 2022? If the 5th year option was not guaranteed the Darnold option would be far more attractive. 
 

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32 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

You can only draft the QBs that are still on the board. I don’t disagree with you, but we don’t have a QB except the lowest ranked one in the league. Maybe it’s a little desperate, but I’d take the best QB available with the highest ceiling this year and start the rebuild. I’m not sure who that is but I’m taking him while I can. Yet,  I’m not a GM or even very knowledgeable about this stuff like others here, I just know I can’t watch another  season watching Bumbling Stumbling Sam Darnold take another snap for this franchise.  

As more of a pro-Sam guy, I agree your points are fair.  The biggest reason to move on from Sam now is the fact that we've burned three years of his rookie deal and we may not be this close the top of the draft again without having to give up significant picks.  It's more a function of probabilities than anything related to Gase or new schemes or weaponz...

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4 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

As more of a pro-Sam guy, I agree your points are fair.  The biggest reason to move on from Sam now is the fact that we've burned three years of his rookie deal and we may not be this close the top of the draft again without having to give up significant picks.  It's more a function of probabilities than anything related to Gase or new schemes or weaponz...

I agree on the financial ramifications of his deal. But, I also think it’s hard to go with a guy that was better going into his rookie year than he is his fourth year. No matter who’s at fault, last year Sam didn’t even looked well when he could have. Not saying he can’t get better but hard to convince myself he can be a perennial contender. That’s what we need. 

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Wishfully we had just gotten Lawrence....NOPE!

Hopefully we just get Watson for 3 firsts and a 2nd

If not I trade back from 2, collect picks and stick with Sam Darnold.  I just don't think the rookie QB's are any less of any question mark than Sam being rejuvenated by a new offensive system, new HC and an upgraded roster.  Not saying Sam is a keeper but I'd like to see him play a season with all the changes around him.  I'm even ok slapping him with the 5th year option which will only be like 18-19 million due to the lower cap.  It's about what we paid for Trumaine Johnson and it's worth the opportunity to see if Sam evolves.

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50 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

You can only draft the QBs that are still on the board. I don’t disagree with you, but we don’t have a QB except the lowest ranked one in the league. Maybe it’s a little desperate, but I’d take the best QB available with the highest ceiling this year and start the rebuild. I’m not sure who that is but I’m taking him while I can. Yet,  I’m not a GM or even very knowledgeable about this stuff like others here, I just know I can’t watch another  season watching Bumbling Stumbling Sam Darnold take another snap for this franchise.  

The Jets can easily find a decent veteran to offer competence in place of Darnold's bumbling stumbling ways for the 2021 season.

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Why not trade down and not draft a bust QB.  Trade our bust QB for a 2.  Use one of our 2's and our 23 1st to move up and grab Fields, Jones, Lance or possibly Wilson when one of them falls down the draft board?  

We get to upgrade from bust to potential bust for a low cost. 

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