Where contract negotiations between Seahawks, Jamal Adams could hit a snag

[Gramsci]

On 6/16/2021 at 12:21 PM, Beerfish said:

Only all pro because the media and people who vote fall ass over tea kettle over a guy that is a big self promoter.

Sacks for a safety when all the player does is blitz and does nothing else is not all pro play.  Take any average safety in this league and hand him the blitz ops jamal gets and they'd get those 8 sacks

That's ludracris. Jamal excelled in coverage in 2019 and we all know how productive he was as a pass rusher. 

"Receivers catching passes against Adams in 2019 gained just 4.5 yards per target, and Adams' 0.31 yards per coverage snap is in the top fourth of the league at his position."

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-examining-jamal-adams-value-and-potential-landing-spots

 

[Irish Jet]

4 hours ago, Albaniajet said:

Adams was phenomenal in coverage AND great against the run AND a sack master

 

Terrible move by the Jets trading him.  That and drafting Sam Darnold two worst moves of the past 10 years

 

"Phenomenal in coverage." Just LOL - Loads of us called that he was being protected by the defensive system here, including Gregg Williams himself. Quite a few of us called that he would be exposed for the fraud that he is in Seattle and so it came to be. He couldn't cover a cardboard box. 

[Irish Jet]

2 minutes ago, Gramsci said:

That's ludracris. Jamal excelled in coverage in 2019 and we all know how productive he was as a pass rusher. 

"Receivers catching passes against Adams in 2019 gained just 4.5 yards per target, and Adams' 0.31 yards per coverage snap is in the top fourth of the league at his position."

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-examining-jamal-adams-value-and-potential-landing-spots

 

PFF's coverage grades are a joke. They've literally been called out on them by several NFL players. 

They have no idea what's going on. Jets had these elite of the elite safeties and yet were constantly bottom 5 in pass defence. What a piss take. 

[Gramsci]

2 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

PFF's coverage grades are a joke. They've literally been called out on them by several NFL players. 

They have no idea what's going on. Jets had these elite of the elite safeties and yet were constantly bottom 5 in pass defence. What a piss take. 

A piss take would be not to look at the numbers of numbers of yards allowed per catch, which is exactly something that you are doing.

More, Jamal was an all-pro and Seattle paid two rounds for him. Please tell me how he was a disaster in coverage with those accolades. 

[Jet Nut]

18 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

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I agree that Revis was the better player, but he wanted to renegotiate his contract every single season. Adams is looking for his first big payday.  They are similar because of this need to be paid "the most."

Why shouldnt Revis, clearly the best, be paid the most as the best?

Why does a player wanting what he should be paid become selfish but the owner who doest want to pay what a player is worth not become the selfish one?  

Revis was worth what he wanted, Adams isnt.  And thats the difference 

[CSNY]

2 hours ago, Gramsci said:

That's ludracris. Jamal excelled in coverage in 2019 and we all know how productive he was as a pass rusher. 

"Receivers catching passes against Adams in 2019 gained just 4.5 yards per target, and Adams' 0.31 yards per coverage snap is in the top fourth of the league at his position."

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-examining-jamal-adams-value-and-potential-landing-spots

 

Let’s not forget the cupcake schedule the Jets had in 2019 which I think that may have had something to do with the numbers you cite as the entire Jets defense was rated highly. The schedule for 2020 was markedly much more difficult and Adams was exposed as a mediocre at best coverage back. Jets are way better off without him especially when AVT becomes a perennial all pro and next years pick becomes a pass rushing demon 

[Beerfish]

old now retired julian edleman had the best game of his career last year almost all of it matched up vs Adams.

He was positively torched in other games.  He sucks in coverage and has always sucked in coverage as a safety. 

He has probably been asked to cover less than any other SS in the league since he came into the league.

He also on occasions just ignores his coverage responsibility because he is taking chances poaching at the line.

This player reached his total peak last year with his 8 sacks (and nothing else, not even great tackle numbers).

His career is only going to go south from here on. 

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, Gramsci said:

A piss take would be not to look at the numbers of numbers of yards allowed per catch, which is exactly something that you are doing.

You are ignoring WHO he was asked to cover in NY versus who he was asked to cover in Seattle.  When asked to cover WR's, even slot guys, he was fully exposed this past season.  He sucks at coverage.  Hence why Gregg Williams and now the Seahawks sent him on blitzes all the time.  

[slats]

11 hours ago, Albaniajet said:

Adams was phenomenal in coverage AND great against the run AND a sack master

 

Terrible move by the Jets trading him.  That and drafting Sam Darnold two worst moves of the past 10 years

 

Taking a safety at #6 overall was about as stupid as it gets -on its own- but for a QB needy team with Watson and Mahomes on the board? Holy crap! 
 
Take one of those QBs, and they never trade three seconds for the QB who drops to #3 the following year. 

[Bugg]

On 6/16/2021 at 11:48 AM, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

So I get it now.  When Revis pulled this crap every season it was fine because some people here love him despite the economic and morale issues this caused for the Jets every damn season, but Adams is out of line?  My view is they are both cut from the same cloth and both are greedy, selfish players whose continual contract disputes significantly detract from their value as players.  And it explains why both don't stay in one place very long.  

Revis also played a permium position that's really hard to fill. Corner that takes away an opponent's best WR is worth it. Safety, not nearly as valuable. 

[Albaniajet]

5 hours ago, slats said:

Taking a safety at #6 overall was about as stupid as it gets -on its own- but for a QB needy team with Watson and Mahomes on the board? Holy crap! 
 
Take one of those QBs, and they never trade three seconds for the QB who drops to #3 the following year. 

Meh I’d rather have Wilson over Mahomes

[Albaniajet]

6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

You are ignoring WHO he was asked to cover in NY versus who he was asked to cover in Seattle.  When asked to cover WR's, even slot guys, he was fully exposed this past season.  He sucks at coverage.  Hence why Gregg Williams and now the Seahawks sent him on blitzes all the time.  

Seahawks had zero pass rush aside from what Adams gave them

 

He’s excellent in coverage.  There’s a reason the Seahawks wanted him

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, Albaniajet said:

Meh I’d rather have Wilson over Mahomes

 

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, Albaniajet said:

Seahawks had zero pass rush aside from what Adams gave them

And they still don't have a pass rush.  It took 97 blitz attempts for Adams to get those sacks.  And the more times he gets sent in on blitzes against giant offensive linemen, the more likely he'll end up missing multiple games to injury.  You know, like the 6 he's missed over the last 2 seasons for exactly that reason.

Jamal Adams sucks.  Troll.

[Albaniajet]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And they still don't have a pass rush.  It took 97 blitz attempts for Adams to get those sacks.  And the more times he gets sent in on blitzes against giant offensive linemen, the more likely he'll end up missing multiple games to injury.  You know, like the 6 he's missed over the last 2 seasons for exactly that reason.

Jamal Adams sucks.  Troll.

8.5 sacks on 97 attempts is actually pretty good.  
 

Jamal Adams revolutionized the safety position.  Not sure how anyone can even argue against that at this point

[The Crusher]

12 hours ago, Gramsci said:

That's ludracris. Jamal excelled in coverage in 2019 and we all know how productive he was as a pass rusher. 

"Receivers catching passes against Adams in 2019 gained just 4.5 yards per target, and Adams' 0.31 yards per coverage snap is in the top fourth of the league at his position."

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-examining-jamal-adams-value-and-potential-landing-spots

 

In 2019 Adam Gase was still considered a head coaching candidate. 

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, Albaniajet said:

8.5 sacks on 97 attempts is actually pretty good.  
 

Jamal Adams revolutionized the safety position.  Not sure how anyone can even argue against that at this point

It's not "pretty good" because it's not how an undersized WLB should be used.  He needs to be in coverage much more often than he is, and he sucks at it.  Hence why he'll keep getting blitzed, while the injuries will pile up and his sack rate will drop.

The only thing he's "revolutionized" is how to market oneself so fools like you think he's great.  

[Albaniajet]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

It's not "pretty good" because it's not how an undersized WLB should be used.  He needs to be in coverage much more often than he is, and he sucks at it.  Hence why he'll keep getting blitzed, while the injuries will pile up and his sack rate will drop.

The only thing he's "revolutionized" is how to market oneself so fools like you think he's great.  

Boy are you running with those goalposts. Sorry I cited your own stat

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, Albaniajet said:

Boy are you running with those goalposts. Sorry I cited your own stat

A pretty good sack rate now means revolutionizing your position?  Which one of us moved those goal posts again?

[The Crusher]

9 minutes ago, Albaniajet said:

8.5 sacks on 97 attempts is actually pretty good.  
 

Jamal Adams revolutionized the safety position.  Not sure how anyone can even argue against that at this point

Not when you leave the secondary short one guy to do it. 
 

The fact he actually doesn’t even play safety for the most part makes the second statement void. He’s a tweener, that’s not new or revolutionary. 

[Beerfish]

12 minutes ago, Albaniajet said:

Boy are you running with those goalposts. Sorry I cited your own stat

Take 3/4 of the SS in this league and play them like adams has been played and they will get the same number of sacks while like Adams totally comprising the defense.  In a passing league if your SS poaches and blitzes at the line the vast majority of the time you are leaving the rest of the secondary out to dry.   See Seattles 31st ranked pass defense.

If you are an offense you are more than happy for the other team to take a player out of the secondary most of the game because that is the only way you get pressure.

The biggest problem with Adams by far is that he generates almost no turnovers.  If you are going to compromise he D by having a poaching SS all game the guy has to get you the ball.

 

[Bronx]

12 hours ago, Gramsci said:

That's ludracris. Jamal excelled in coverage in 2019 and we all know how productive he was as a pass rusher. 

"Receivers catching passes against Adams in 2019 gained just 4.5 yards per target, and Adams' 0.31 yards per coverage snap is in the top fourth of the league at his position."

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-examining-jamal-adams-value-and-potential-landing-spots

 

Jamal Adams' agent trolling @Gramsci

[flgreen]

38 minutes ago, Albaniajet said:

Meh I’d rather have Wilson over Mahomes

[Irish Jet]

10 hours ago, Gramsci said:

A piss take would be not to look at the numbers of numbers of yards allowed per catch, which is exactly something that you are doing.

More, Jamal was an all-pro and Seattle paid two rounds for him. Please tell me how he was a disaster in coverage with those accolades. 

So what is your explanation for that embarrassment of a campaign in 2020? 

[CSNY]

53 minutes ago, Albaniajet said:

Meh I’d rather have Wilson over Mahomes

Do you truly believe that statement or are you just stirring the pot because if you believe it you really haven’t watched Mahomes play. To rank a MVP and Super Bowl champion quarterback over a unproven rookie quarterback who hadn’t taken a snap yet is ludicrous unless you mean Russell Wilson which I really don’t think you mean him

[Gramsci]

8 hours ago, Beerfish said:

old now retired julian edleman had the best game of his career last year almost all of it matched up vs Adams.

He was positively torched in other games.  He sucks in coverage and has always sucked in coverage as a safety. 

He has probably been asked to cover less than any other SS in the league since he came into the league.

He also on occasions just ignores his coverage responsibility because he is taking chances poaching at the line.

This player reached his total peak last year with his 8 sacks (and nothing else, not even great tackle numbers).

His career is only going to go south from here on. 

He always sucked in coverage excluding the year where he was one of the best in the league.

Makes sense.

[Gramsci]

13 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

So what is your explanation for that embarrassment of a campaign in 2020? 

What doest that have to do with his all pro season? 

[Jetsfan80]

25 minutes ago, Gramsci said:

What doest that have to do with his all pro season? 

You mean the popularity contest he won?  Means a lot, for sure!  Hence why Seattle is dying to pay the man!

[Jetsfan80]

27 minutes ago, Gramsci said:

He always sucked in coverage excluding the year where he was one of the best in the league.

Makes sense.

He sucks when it actually matters and makes a difference.  IE against WRs.  

[chirorob]

 At the end of the day, he is a safety with 2 interceptions and 7 forced fumbles in 58 career games.    That averages out to almost 2.5 turnovers forced per season. 

If you want to pay 17 million a year for that, go nuts, but to me, that is not elite defensive secondary numbers.  It just isn't.

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

12 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Why shouldnt Revis, clearly the best, be paid the most as the best?

Why does a player wanting what he should be paid become selfish but the owner who doest want to pay what a player is worth not become the selfish one?  

Revis was worth what he wanted, Adams isnt.  And thats the difference 

Some people consider Adams to be the best safety in the NFL. I don't at all. Not even close.  The issue with being paid as the best is that contracts keep going up.  So when a player gets a multiyear contract that makes him the highest paid player at his position, it's just a matter of time before someone at the same position is paid more.  That is a concept Revis never accepted. He wanted to renegotiate every time he perceived his contract was no longer "the best," which led to a hold out or threatened hold out every offseason.  

[pointman]

20 hours ago, Albaniajet said:

Adams was phenomenal in coverage AND great against the run AND a sack master

 

Terrible move by the Jets trading him.  That and drafting Sam Darnold two worst moves of the past 10 years

 

[pointman]

9 hours ago, slats said:

Taking a safety at #6 overall was about as stupid as it gets -on its own- but for a QB needy team with Watson and Mahomes on the board? Holy crap! 
 
Take one of those QBs, and they never trade three seconds for the QB who drops to #3 the following year. 

God, Sam sucks.

[IndianaJet]

Jamal Adams is Aaron Maybin with slightly better coverage skills and a much better social media presence.  ?

[Jet Nut]

3 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Take 3/4 of the SS in this league and play them like adams has been played and they will get the same number of sacks

Has nothing to do with Adams but no one believes this.  Because it’s not true.