Idzik Speaks! Inside a decade of dysfunction of New York Jets football

[T0mShane]

Just now, Scott Dierking said:

This franchise has always needed, and its roar is deafening, a hardened "football" guy that oversees the operations. Someone that has has ears to the ground inside NFL circles and demands respect, and can advise Woody when he is about to cause harm to the organization by his football naivete. 

A number of organizations have been successful in bringing back smart, NFL entrenched,  organizational types. A number of those have been legacy players for that organization. And that is where the Jets have a problem. Exactly what player that has been part of this organization qualifies to fit that position? Someone that can be the grown up football guy in the room that helps feed the GM? 

Round and round we go.

Ozzie Newsome is only 63 years old! Sign this beast!

[Edgy]

8 minutes ago, jgb said:

What is a Woody move that public perception initiated that shouldn't have happened?

This smells like a repackaging of the "it's the fans fault" canard.

OK, even skipping over the whole letting a team rebuild in a decent time, one of the greatest of all of these was the:

'noodle-arm can't throw, force mangini to take farve - oh fart, favre tore his bicep - force mangini to stay with him'.

It's not the fans fault at all.   It is TOTALLY Woodyys fault for being that thick skinned, or short term thinker. 

But I just think that the Rex/Idzik (this vey thread, btw) would have worked out differently if the boss got the two employees together and said 'I'm ignoring the media and fans', instead of both of them realizing (Idzik waaaaay too late) that the best way to 'get ahead' was to make Woody feel the pain through media/fans.

Totally Woody's fault for being this way - but doesn't change the fact that the thing that triggers him is the fan outrage.

[Scott Dierking]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Ozzie Newsome is only 63 years old! Sign this beast!

Why ruin that legacy

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I would honestly be more interested in an in-depth with Maccaganan and Bowles.

The Rex/Idzik story was pretty obvious and played out pretty publicly.

My hunch is that Bowles is far too classy to talk crap about the Jets.  And Macc was paid well and for way too long by the Jets and never should've gotten the opportunity he did in the first place.  

EDIT: My point being that neither would talk crap about the organization.

[jgb]

Just now, Edgy said:

OK, even skipping over the whole letting a team rebuild in a decent time, one of the greatest of all of these was the:

'noodle-arm can't throw, force mangini to take farve - oh fart, favre tore his bicep - force mangini to stay with him'.

It's not the fans fault at all.   It is TOTALLY Woodyys fault for being that thick skinned, or short term thinker. 

But I just think that the Rex/Idzik (this vey thread, btw) wouldn't have worked out differently if the boss got the two employees together and said 'I'm ignoring the media and fans', instead of both of them realizing (Idzik waaaaay too late) that the best way to 'get ahead' was to make Woody feel the pain through media/fans.

Totally Woody's fault for being this way - but doesn't change the fact that the thing that triggers him is the fan outrage.

I'd rather the Jets be managed by a poll of JN than Woody. The more influence fans have over him, the better. That doesn't mean fans can't be wrong. Just much less often than him.

[TuscanyTile2]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Ozzie Newsome is only 63 years old! Sign this beast!

If there's any chance of it happening, I'd offer him whatever money/power he wanted.  

[Edgy]

Just now, jgb said:

I'd rather the Jets be managed by a poll of JN than Woody. The more influence fans have over him, the better. That doesn't mean fans can't be wrong. Just much less often than him.

This is a recipe for two week strategic planning.

[Sperm Edwards]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Gase was a Machiavellian type. You could definitely see him playing Macc like a fiddle through the interview process, the going full Et Tu Brute on him the second he signed the contract.

It certainly seemed to play out that way, but Gase didn't seem to have any issues until the GM forced players upon him - Bell most notably - that the GM didn't want. Not just that he didn't want, but with a contract that had so much guaranteed money that they weren't dumping him after 1 year and likewise couldn't use his $ on someone else instead.

Then I think it came to a head with the draft when Maccagnan took Q Williams at #3 instead of trading down or whatever offensive player Gase wanted instead - maybe Jonah Williams - and he wasn't seen near Gase in the draft room again. He didn't twist that knife into Maccagnan's back until after the draft, though. 

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

My hunch is that Bowles is far too classy to talk crap about the Jets.  And Macc was paid well and for way too long by the Jets and never should've gotten the opportunity he did in the first place.  

Bowles isn't going to harm his future prospects as a HC in the league by being seen as having sour grapes. Idzik will never sniff the big chair again and no one cares whether a cap specialist was outspoken in the past. 

[Jet Nut]

40 minutes ago, slats said:

This is my hope. It’s pretty clear that JD and Saleh are partners on the same page. That alone is different than anything we’ve seen around here since Tanny and Rex - the last time this team had any success at all. Time will tell if the page they’re on is a good one, but I like what they’re trying to do and that’s why I support them. The forced marriages of the previous decade were disasters. This time they’re actually trying to do things the right way. 

And we have to hope that Woody is on board, has the spine to deal with the lean times to get the team to a better place hopefully for the long term.  

[doitny]

45 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I remember all the Rex Ryan fans spamming the board saying how Rex was Actually Good and everyone else was bad when the reality (clear to anyone paying attention) was that Rex was a cancerous piece of sh*t who should have been excised once he drove Mangini’s roster into the ground.

there is more to the story that the OP didnt post

Some felt that Idzik ran a closed-door operation, minimizing input from scouts and coaches. Ryan told ESPN that in 2013, he pleaded with Idzik to draft defensive back Tyrann Mathieu, who slipped to the third round. Didn't happen. Ryan said he also lobbied for tight end Travis Kelce. Didn't happen.

In 2014, the Jets suffered perhaps the worst draft in their history -- 12 draft picks, no impact players. Instead of packaging his surplus of picks to move up for premium players, Idzik did nothing, infuriating Ryan.

"First off, nobody in their right mind is going to draft all 12 guys," Ryan said, still in disbelief.

[playtowinthegame]

1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Good thing we have straightened this out now.  Woody has given the reigns to Joe Douglas and Joe knocked it out of the park w/ the Saleh hire.

Hang in there Jet fans.  This will turn around soon.

You're @SAR I from the upside down world. 

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, Edgy said:

This is a recipe for two week strategic planning.

I'd like to think at least half the fans aren't reactionary goons, but you have a more negative view and that's fine.

[playtowinthegame]

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, doitny said:

there is more to the story that the OP didnt post

Some felt that Idzik ran a closed-door operation, minimizing input from scouts and coaches. Ryan told ESPN that in 2013, he pleaded with Idzik to draft defensive back Tyrann Mathieu, who slipped to the third round. Didn't happen. Ryan said he also lobbied for tight end Travis Kelce. Didn't happen.

In 2014, the Jets suffered perhaps the worst draft in their history -- 12 draft picks, no impact players. Instead of packaging his surplus of picks to move up for premium players, Idzik did nothing, infuriating Ryan.

"First off, nobody in their right mind is going to draft all 12 guys," Ryan said, still in disbelief.

Ryan lies constantly about the players he wanted drafted or signed. Read Collision Low Crossers. This is the same dude who pushed for Tajh Boyd and Scotty McKnight.

[Pac]

Idzik was the catalyst for this era of suck with the lone bright spot being Maccs first year.

Anyone actually defending Idzik should throw themselves down a flight of stairs.

[TuscanyTile2]

6 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

You're @SAR I from the upside down world. 

SAR II

[TuscanyTile2]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Ryan lies constantly about the players he wanted drafted or signed. Read Collision Low Crossers. This is the same dude who pushed for Tajh Boyd and Scotty McKnight.

I didn't read that book (though I heard it was great) but why would we trust Rex when those are the players we drafted who he did choose (plus John "The Terminator" Connor).

[playtowinthegame]

14 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Ozzie Newsome is only 63 years old! Sign this beast!

He learned from the best. 

[T0mShane]

10 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

It certainly seemed to play out that way, but Gase didn't seem to have any issues until the GM forced players upon him - Bell most notably - that the GM didn't want. Not just that he didn't want, but with a contract that had so much guaranteed money that they weren't dumping him after 1 year and likewise couldn't use his $ on someone else instead.

Then I think it came to a head with the draft when Maccagnan took Q Williams at #3 instead of trading down or whatever offensive player Gase wanted instead - maybe Jonah Williams - and he wasn't seen near Gase in the draft room again. He didn't twist that knife into Maccagnan's back until after the draft, though. 

My guess/hope/conspiracy theory is that Gase knew Maccagnan sucked (who wouldn’t?) and he (Gase) saw Chris Johnson as a weak fish that could be pushed around. 

[T0mShane]

6 minutes ago, Pac said:

Idzik was the catalyst for this era of suck with the lone bright spot being Maccs first year.

Anyone actually defending Idzik should throw themselves down a flight of stairs.

Rex was the plutonium that turned Florham Park into Chernobyl.

[UntouchableCrew]

15 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

My hunch is that Bowles is far too classy to talk crap about the Jets.  And Macc was paid well and for way too long by the Jets and never should've gotten the opportunity he did in the first place.  

EDIT: My point being that neither would talk crap about the organization.

I agree, particularly about Bowles.

Mac likely wouldn't talk more because he's the one everyone would be criticizing.

But yeah, I'd just be more interested in a "tell all" about that time.

[Cut Jet Penalty Makers]

That sad sack press conference that Idzik gave was his demise.

[UntouchableCrew]

11 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Ryan lies constantly about the players he wanted drafted or signed. Read Collision Low Crossers. This is the same dude who pushed for Tajh Boyd and Scotty McKnight.

Even if Ryan did want Mathieu or Kelce -- are we seriously going to pretend that Calvin Pryor, Quinten Coples, etc. didn't have his fingerprints all over them?

Anyone can highlight the good players they allegedly wanted. What about the guys who sucked that you actually picked?

[Jet_Engine1]

19 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

This franchise has always needed, and its roar is deafening, a hardened "football" guy that oversees the operations. Someone that has has ears to the ground inside NFL circles and demands respect, and can advise Woody when he is about to cause harm to the organization by his football naivete. 

A number of organizations have been successful in bringing back smart, NFL entrenched,  organizational types. A number of those have been legacy players for that organization. And that is where the Jets have a problem. Exactly what player that has been part of this organization qualifies to fit that position? Someone that can be the grown up football guy in the room that helps feed the GM? 

Round and round we go.

Interesting point, but the problem is that most of our "Home Grown stars" of the past 30 years don't seem to fit the bill, or moved on to other teams for a new identity. 

 

Brick Ferguson always seemed like a smart dude, but I think his interests are outside of Football.

 

Wayne Chrebet is loved, but man, he really took a beating. 

 

Anthony Becht would be an interesting,  out of the box guy for consideration in the FO, or maybe Chad Pennington?

 

That's all I got. 

[JustInFudge]

Never should have broken up Tanny and Rex, greatest thing to ever happen to this franchise.

[kevinc855]

Idzik was smart with money but couldn’t draft 

sound familiar? 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

1 hour ago, kevinc855 said:

Troll status at this point 

Pot meet kettle.  You and him are opposite sides of the same troll coin. With you it's all bad no hope all day everyday.  With him, it's buy SB tix for 2023.  The truth is in the very large middle.  

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

Kinda of a lame article. Nothing groundbreaking. Just laying out what we already knew. And idzik saying “I didn’t think I did that bad”

 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

1 minute ago, kevinc855 said:

Idzik was smart with money but couldn’t draft 

sound familiar? 

No?

[kevinc855]

Just now, Zachtomims47 said:

No?

Then you aren’t paying attention

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

8 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Interesting point, but the problem is that most of our "Home Grown stars" of the past 30 years don't seem to fit the bill, or moved on to other teams for a new identity. 

 

Brick Ferguson always seemed like a smart dude, but I think his interests are outside of Football.

 

Wayne Chrebet is loved, but man, he really took a beating. 

 

Anthony Becht would be an interesting,  out of the box guy for consideration in the FO, or maybe Chad Pennington?

 

That's all I got. 

Where has this "home grown" former player football adviser worked in the NFL?  Denver?  I'm not sure former players are the best candidates for FO jobs.  Playing in the NFL doesn't make someone a talent evaluator.  

[David Harris]

55 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

For me, and again this is just me, the turn in the functionality of this organization was the move to bring in Tim Tebow. The Jets were on a fairly good run, and for this franchise, practically a dynasty.

But Woody (and maybe Rex) could not let it takes its own course (building organically). Woody seemed to get drunk with the power of having a good football team and the marketing luxuries that come with that. He had to milk that cash cow a little bit more. 

Enter Tim Tebow. A marketing godsend that sings to middle America. Perfect for Woody to glom onto that, while the crest of the wave was high.

Problem was, it was just not a good fit. The Jets had Sanchez, and he was just ok. But in terms of Jet qb development,  he should have been given a better shot. This move undercut his knees and stability. Now you have a young qb, somewhat fragile in confidence, and you bring in this Tebow hype machine. It just seemed to upset the whole balance of the team.

And I believe that Rex may have played a big part, also. The Wildcat just ate his defenses up. And in his mind, anything that ate his defenses up was sure to work miracles. That, and Rex Ryan just does not have staying power in an  organization. Hhe is bound to blow things up at some point, because that would make daddy Buddy proud. It is the Ryan way.

Maybe everything would have gone downhill as fast without the Tebow addition, but it sure did seem to put everything in a breakneck mode to destruction. 

 

I remember losing some key vets too.  Tony Richardson was a big loss in the locker room.  Damien Woody as well.  Those guys just never got replaced with new talent or any character. 

[Jet Nut]

29 minutes ago, doitny said:

there is more to the story that the OP didnt post

Some felt that Idzik ran a closed-door operation, minimizing input from scouts and coaches. Ryan told ESPN that in 2013, he pleaded with Idzik to draft defensive back Tyrann Mathieu, who slipped to the third round. Didn't happen. Ryan said he also lobbied for tight end Travis Kelce. Didn't happen.

In 2014, the Jets suffered perhaps the worst draft in their history -- 12 draft picks, no impact players. Instead of packaging his surplus of picks to move up for premium players, Idzik did nothing, infuriating Ryan.

"First off, nobody in their right mind is going to draft all 12 guys," Ryan said, still in disbelief.

This was left out?  Kind of changes the tone a bit

[kevinc855]

4 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Kinda of a lame article. Nothing groundbreaking. Just laying out what we already knew. And idzik saying “I didn’t think I did that bad”

 

We already know most because you are on a fan forum