Jetsfan80 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 1 hour ago, dcJet said: Eye Test? Zach looks better. He's starting to look like an NFL QB. He's moving better, pocket awareness better, accuracy better. That run... holy sh*t. There's hope. If Zach gets one big breakout game, we'll have the same situation we had after Sam's first year. Yesterday was the day for Zach to have his breakout game, even with all the COVID inactives. Jacksonville is terrible. Think it’s coming against Tampa or Buffalo? Good luck with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 2 hours ago, BCJet said: I actually think Zachs flaws are mechanical. Watching the video in this thread, there were few if any instances where he took a solid 3 or 5 step drop, planted his feet correctly and threw in a rhythm. His arm talent is great, the off platform stuff is good and he showed his athleticism yesterday, but he has got to work on his footwork this offsesaon. To me the footwork is about more than accuracy. An NFL offense has to have certain plays/throws that are all about timing - 3 steps, plant foot and zip the ball and he isnt near where he needs to be in order to make those throws consistently Maybe, maybe not. Zach often throws in an unorthodox manner, utilizing the "heel pop". I posted an article on it earlier in the year, and it make the drop look incorrect based upon what we often assume. Mahome, Rodgers and others use this also. It is some mechanics, but not all mechanics. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: Yesterday was the day for Zach to have his breakout game. Jacksonville is terrible. Think it’s coming against Tampa or Buffalo? Good luck with that. Game Flow. We was up on Jax, so run the ball. We'll be down by 100 points early against TB and Buff, so garbage time. Darnold's breakout was against a good GB team. Remember he went toe-to-toe with Rodgers. Man we were excited! I'd love to see a Zach game like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Just now, dcJet said: Game Flow. We was up on Jax, so run the ball. We'll be down by 100 points early against TB and Buff, so garbage time. Darnold's breakout was against a good GB team. Remember he went toe-to-toe with Rodgers. Man we were excited! I'd love to see a Zach game like that. Zach hasn’t even done well in garbage time situations to this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Zach hasn’t even done well in garbage time situations to this point. So, you are in the official Zach is a"bust" status for good? Or is this message board fodder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Just now, Scott Dierking said: So, you are in the official Zach is a"bust" status for good? Or is this message board fodder? Zach is a bust. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 21 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yesterday was the day for Zach to have his breakout game, even with all the COVID inactives. Jacksonville is terrible. Think it’s coming against Tampa or Buffalo? Good luck with that. You really believe he was going to with no WR1, WR2, WR3, RG, C, LG, LT, TE? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 35 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yesterday was the day for Zach to have his breakout game, even with all the COVID inactives. Jacksonville is terrible. Think it’s coming against Tampa or Buffalo? Good luck with that. He had the best QBR in the NFL last week. https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/view/weekly 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 50 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: You really believe he was going to with no WR1, WR2, WR3, RG, C, LG, LT, TE? I dont think he would have with a full compliment of supporting personnel, given how he played against the Texans. He doesn’t seem capable of “balling out”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: I dont think he would have with a full compliment of supporting personnel, given how he played against the Texans. He doesn’t seem capable of “balling out”. We need receivers and OL that know how to play with a small QB who runs backwards and throws errantly off his back foot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Syndicate Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 53 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: You really believe he was going to with no WR1, WR2, WR3, RG, C, LG, LT, TE? He was doing so well with all those all pros too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: We need receivers and OL that know how to play with a small QB who runs backwards and throws errantly off his back foot. And know the playbook of all 11 positions on offense by heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Saul Goodman said: Zach has shown improvement. But he hasn’t performed well enough to go all in on him next season. The Jets should have a plan in the place for the QB room that includes a solid vet and possibly a draft pick (or tender Mike White). Agree with this. I would bring in a vet and keep Mike White. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: And know the playbook of all 11 positions on offense by heart Perhaps we can entice Davante Adams and Chris Godwin to come play here if we include butterfly nets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 21 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: I dont think he would have with a full compliment of supporting personnel, given how he played against the Texans. He doesn’t seem capable of “balling out”. Except that he has balled out. See Tennessee game - see first half of the Eagles game... This trolling thing you're doing is tiring... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Saul Goodman said: Zach has shown improvement. But he hasn’t performed well enough to go all in on him next season. The Jets should have a plan in the place for the QB room that includes a solid vet and possibly a draft pick (or tender Mike White). Agree except for the draft pick. With so much help needed all over I'd rather not burn a late pick on a prayer that'll be at best the QB3. Agree wholeheartedly that they should bring in a credible veteran, though. Wilson + veteran + White is plenty for the year. Reassess after the season. If Wilson flops and the veteran is just meh, they're using a high pick on a QB anyway in 2023. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Zach is a bust. He's busting but he's not a bust yet. He's improved a lot. Zach winning QBR this week with that cast of teammates on offense is encouraging. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: I dont think he would have with a full compliment of supporting personnel, given how he played against the Texans. He doesn’t seem capable of “balling out”. His first game back from injury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Zach is a bust. Hard to have a conversation with people who have their minds made up after a handful of games. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Hard to have a conversation with people who have their minds made up after a handful of games. Oh he’s known this since Zach was in 4th grade. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Except that he has balled out. See Tennessee game - see first half of the Eagles game... This trolling thing you're doing is tiring... At least he’s flying solo the past few days, not with the President of the AZM. Although the big bloviator is there to defend him. I don’t need Zach to “ball out”. I need him to show steady improvement. Which he has done. Watched his Jax throws again about an hour ago. Other than 2-3 passes every throw was exactly where he wanted/where it was supposed to go. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 33 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: His first game back from injury? Yes that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 27 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Hard to have a conversation with people who have their minds made up after a handful of games. Just going where the evidence takes me dude. I used to operate on hope and feelings when it came to this team and its young QB's. No longer. Show you can play at this level or move on to the next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 On 12/26/2021 at 6:23 PM, heymangold said: I’m not going to say this was a great game but he didn’t turn it over. Relatively efficient, great game with his legs. Of course having Mims, Cole and Smith as his WRs hurt. Would have loved to have seen his performance if the offense was healthy. Didn’t Smith drop a perfectly thrown pass from Wilson? I recall a really nice ball thrown on time right into Smith’s hands that he dropped. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted December 28, 2021 Author Share Posted December 28, 2021 26 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: At least he’s flying solo the past few days, not with the President of the AZM. Although the big bloviator is there to defend him. I don’t need Zach to “ball out”. I need him to show steady improvement. Which he has done. Watched his Jax throws again about an hour ago. Other than 2-3 passes every throw was exactly where he wanted/where it was supposed to go. yeah where is Darth Vader. he should be all over this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 35 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Just going where the evidence takes me dude. I used to operate on hope and feelings when it came to this team and its young QB's. No longer. Show you can play at this level or move on to the next one. After 11 games?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: After 11 games?? Yes. Contrary to popular belief, an entire rookie season is not a wash any more for a QB. If you're not being sat for that season, these games are important data points, and you have to start showing signs you belong early on. Wilson is performing barely better than Josh Rosen, who was jettisoned after just 13 starts. I don't believe Arizona has gone on to regret that decision to move on. Granted, Rosen was a virulent a$$hole and Wilson is decidedly not. But if Rosen had shown he belonged in those 13 games you'd bet his personality would have gotten overlooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, doitny said: yeah where is Darth Vader. he should be all over this thread. He took a break from the board, because he was tired of being called a troll when he really isn't one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yes. Contrary to popular belief, an entire rookie season is not a wash any more for a QB. If you're not being sat for that season, these games are important data points, and you have to start showing signs you belong early on. Wilson is performing barely better than Josh Rosen, who was jettisoned after just 13 starts. I don't believe Arizona has gone on to regret that decision to move on. Granted, Rosen was a virulent a$$hole and Wilson is decidedly not. But if Rosen had shown he belonged in those 13 games you'd bet his personality would have gotten overlooked. Rosen didn’t look as good as Wilson has imho. Stats are what they are. Watching both these QB’s, individually, I see a noticeable gap. One guy has been in situations (more recently) where he looks much calmer in the midst of the moment and the other didn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Rosen didn’t look as good as Wilson has imho. Stats are what they are. Watching both these QB’s, individually, I see a noticeable gap. One guy has been in situations (more recently) where he looks much calmer in the midst of the moment and the other didn’t. Rosen his rookie season: 55.2 % completions 5.8 YPA 11 TDs/14 INTs 66.7 QB Rating 2 Game-Winning Drives 3-10 record Wilson thru 11 games: 56.7 % completions 6.1 YPA 7 TDs/11 INTs 67.9 QB Rating 1 Game-Winning Drive 3-8 record Whatever your eyes are telling you, they've been about the same guy. The stats just prove your eyes aren't really telling you the truth on this one, because you don't want them to be about the same guy. Even in the rushing department Rosen wasn't quite the statue he was advertised to be (23 carries, 138 yards, 6.0 YPA, 0 TDs). Wilson (25 carries, 161 yards, 6.4 YPA, 4 TDs) only has him beat there because of the long run yesterday and of course the TDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Rosen his rookie season: 55.2 % completions 5.8 YPA 11 TDs/14 INTs 66.7 QB Rating 2 Game-Winning Drives 3-10 record Wilson thru 11 games: 56.7 % completions 6.1 YPA 7 TDs/11 INTs 67.9 QB Rating 1 Game-Winning Drive 3-8 record Whatever your eyes are telling you, they've been about the same guy. The stats just prove your eyes aren't really telling you the truth on this one, because you don't want them to be about the same guy. Even in the rushing department Rosen wasn't quite the statue he was advertised to be (23 carries, 138 yards, 6.0 YPA, 0 TDs). Wilson (25 carries, 161 yards, 6.4 YPA, 4 TDs) only has him beat there because of the long run yesterday and of course the TDs. I didn’t need the stats. I know what the stats are. 11 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Stats are what they are ^ you can put up similar stats and look like you belong versus a guy who doesn’t belong. Stats in a rookie season are a wash. That’s my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said: ^ you can put up similar stats and look like you belong versus a guy who doesn’t belong. Stats in a rookie season are a wash. That’s my opinion. My opinion is that your take comes from an archaic time in the NFL when QB's routinely struggled in their rookie seasons. Hence why people have to go all the way back to the likes of Troy Aikman or Steve Young to suggest why rookie struggles are meaningless. If we had seen a bunch of QB's struggle to this degree in recent years as rookies and come out as success stories, I'd think your take had merit. But that's really not the case. So I'll follow where the #'s are taking me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Dudes have to be Justin Herbert in their first 13 for anyone on here not sh*t on them and unfairly compare them to a dude who was out of the league after 1 year. im not into comparing stats, I’m into watching the performances, taking situations and adding context to them and comparing the entire picture next to the other. I’ve seen QB’s with awful first 13’s, at the time, look comparable to other QB’s & then all of a sudden, something changes and they never look the same again. I’m not ready to put anything in cement or to use the first 11 starts to do so. Sorry my man. Awful way to look at things imo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost420 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Rosen his rookie season: 55.2 % completions 5.8 YPA 11 TDs/14 INTs 66.7 QB Rating 2 Game-Winning Drives 3-10 record Wilson thru 11 games: 56.7 % completions 6.1 YPA 7 TDs/11 INTs 67.9 QB Rating 1 Game-Winning Drive 3-8 record Whatever your eyes are telling you, they've been about the same guy. The stats just prove your eyes aren't really telling you the truth on this one, because you don't want them to be about the same guy. Even in the rushing department Rosen wasn't quite the statue he was advertised to be (23 carries, 138 yards, 6.0 YPA, 0 TDs). Wilson (25 carries, 161 yards, 6.4 YPA, 4 TDs) only has him beat there because of the long run yesterday and of course the TDs. And now let's do the same with Josh Allen and Zack. Allen: started 11 games 52.8% 6.5 Y/A 10 tds 12 ints 67.9 Rating 3 game winning drives 5 and 6 record 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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