All Zach Wilson throws vs Jax

[Peace Frog]

3 minutes ago, Green hat said:

Zach was accurate today, I disagree with your assessment. To me he had 2 bad throws - the sideline throw that was almost picked, and a few feet off to Kroft. He also had good passes dropped. 

The "gimmick" TD was a passing TD. He does not get credit for executing the play? If it was a WR or TE catching the pass, Wilson would deserve more credit? He did not rifle it in too hard, bounce it, or sail it. He clearly has more confidence and that is helping his accuracy. Progress. 

Btw, there’s a reason why the NFL has a term/rule called “Tackle Eligible”. 

He’s a receiver. He even has to report in to the ref about it. 

A TD pass to an eligible receiver counts even if some want to dump on it. For obvious reasons. 

[Big_Slick]

1 minute ago, FidelioJet said:

This really isn’t opinion based.  Show me which ones? Where he threw the ball and it wasn’t on target to where he was trying to throw it? 

Yeah, it is opinion based. I considered many passes off target and I only saw ONE pass that was anything close to special. That's just my opinion.

I'm not going to subject myself to watching that again.

[ryu79]

2 hours ago, bla bla bla said:

Unorthodox feels like a good term. I don't think I'd consider it either a trick play or a gimmick in the general sense of the term. It felt like he was just one of the options, not the go to option. - I feel like we see similar plays like this every week to some degree with other teams too.

He was the third or fourth option on that play. In the post, Wilson said he's never even thrown it to the LT on that route combination in practice. Only did it today because defense coming at him took away his primary options. 

Zach finally goes through his progressions when facing pressure and finding a td... "Gimmick play"

(Rewatching the post he said he's thrown it to him a few times in practice horsing around but didn't think it would turn out that way in game. Not first or second read )

[Grandy]

8 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

I don't think Zach was bad today by any means. He made the plays he was asked to make for the most part, and the Jets were running the ball really well.

I just don't understand why Zach and/or the Jets offense didn't try to open it up in this game against a bad Jaguars team. 

He averaged 4.6 YPA. The number one strength Zach has is elite arm strength, but it's like they want him to play like Chad Pennington and just dink and dunk. You could have used the number 2 pick on a different position and signed a veteran QB if this is what you want to do on offense. I get he has to crawl before he can walk and learn to do the little things well but still. 

I like Zach. I think he has all the tools to be a franchise QB. But since he has come back from injury it just feels like he is becoming a check down machine. I know we are missing players at receiver and on the O-Line but that doesn't mean you can't take some shots down the field with the guys you do have. The Jets don't throw the ball further than 10 yards down the field. 

Zach did a good job today. He's showing he can protect the football. 2 of 3 passes that were almost picked were not on Zach Wilson. I just want to see him attack down the field more. Hopefully Moore comes back next week and the Jets can open it up a little. 

I feel like  they got so spooked about his short misses that they made it all that he focuses on to get it down. Risky but maybe necessary with how bad things were getting. However his deep capability makes him such a greater threat and I want to see some shots with hopefully Moore back next week.

[GreenFish]

He had a solid game. I counted one bad decision (second pass that was nearly intercepted) and 1 inaccurate pass (missed receiver in the flat - he should have lobbed it over the defender).

The passing numbers weren’t there but this is close to the blueprint we need to have success until Zach is ready to carry the team. Focus on having a strong running game, have Zach make easy throws and allow him to use his legs. I don't think he’ll be ready to carry a team next year. 

[Joe W. Namath]

Wilsons best throw was a drop.  He placed a perfect ball to Smith on a slant for a 1st down and he dropped it.  

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43 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

They do???

3 today

[Peace Frog]

To be honest, just watched that video. 

He was a LOT more accurate than I thought while watching the game. 

The almost INT off the helmet was not on Zach, the Dlineman stood up just as the ball was about to go by his head. The almost pick to Kroft was a clear drop by Kroft. 

Smith dropped a perfect throw over the middle. The EZ throw to Mims is tough to make out whether he dropped it or it was knocked out/tipped. 

One bad missed layup to the TE in the flat. Bad throw on the other missed INT.

A couple of throw seats and otherwise he was totally spot on. Hit receivers accurately and in stride. 

Actually a pretty good game given the circumstances. 
 

 

[Peace Frog]

18 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

This really isn’t opinion based.  Show me which ones? Where he threw the ball and it wasn’t on target to where he was trying to throw it? 

Yup, any objective review of his throws and he was very on target. 

[Peace Frog]

6 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Wilsons best throw was a drop.  He placed a perfect ball to Smith on a slant for a 1st down and he dropped it.  

I think the throw to Kroft up the left side was better but yeah that throw to Smith was perfect. 

[Hal N of Provo]

9 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Wilsons best throw was a drop.  He placed a perfect ball to Smith on a slant for a 1st down and he dropped it.  

That was a 3rd down drive killer.  

[Hal N of Provo]

8 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

3 today

Zach wore it best.  

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6 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

Bad throw on the other missed INT.

Assuming this is the 2nd throw he made? I didn't capture a good view of it but it looks like the ball was hit causing it to wobble short. I might be mistake though.

[Joe W. Namath]

With more weapons and a full year in the system, I am starting to think we are going to see big things from Zach Wilson next year.  I am very encouraged with his improvement here down the stretch.

 

[T0mShane]

Homeboy averaged 4.6 yards per pass attempt and you bros are parsing how accurate he was on those bunnies.

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1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Homeboy averaged 4.6 yards per pass attempt and you bros are parsing how accurate he was on those bunnies.

Which WR you feeling comfortable with beyond 5 yards?

[T0mShane]

Just now, bla bla bla said:

Which WR you feeling comfortable with beyond 5 yards?

Lawrence averaged 7.6 ypa throwing it to the corpse of Tavon Austin

[ryu79]

11 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said:

That was a 3rd down drive killer.  

Cole had one just like it last week...

[ryu79]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Lawrence averaged 7.6 ypa throwing it to the corpse of Tavon Austin

Wild what became of Tavon. I remember him flying up draft boards that year! 

Fun player to watch!

[Peace Frog]

11 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

Assuming this is the 2nd throw he made? I didn't capture a good view of it but it looks like the ball was hit causing it to wobble short. I might be mistake though.

Ya. I don’t think it was tipped, I think he just fired it low and wide. Actually a better pass probably does get picked. But it was to Mims, quite possible he ran the wrong route. 

[Green hat]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Lawrence averaged 7.6 ypa throwing it to the corpse of Tavon Austin

More yards but no TDs and 2 fumbles. 

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5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Lawrence averaged 7.6 ypa throwing it to the corpse of Tavon Austin

Lawrence averaged 6.2 ypc while Zach averaged 22.8 ypc.

 

I can list stupid stats without context too.

[doitny]

17 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Homeboy averaged 4.6 yards per pass attempt and you bros are parsing how accurate he was on those bunnies.

well 3 weeks ago he was bouncing and throwing those 4.6 yd passes behind his receivers. not doing that for 2 weeks now.

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

2 hours ago, undertow said:

The birth of a legend....the greatest 100 yard passing game in history!

Didn’t Wilson put up about 200 yards in less than a quarter in Carolina Week 1 after looking totally overmatched in his first game.

Apples and Oranges.

He has yet to put together a total complete game, but today he actually was close.  Taking advantage of everything that was given to him.

Next year he’ll take the next step.

He already looks more comfortable and control than at any point this year where much of it he has looked frazzled.

He actually looks more in control now than Darnold does in his 4th year.

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

12 minutes ago, Green hat said:

More yards but no TDs and 2 fumbles. 

I forgot all about that.  The “streak” continues for Lawrence.  What is that 1 TD pass in his last 10 games? Haha...Jeez.

But I’d never write Lawrence off at this point in the same way I wouldn’t Wilson.

[Mogglez]

30 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Lawrence averaged 7.6 ypa throwing it to the corpse of Tavon Austin

Gun to your head and you need a first down to live, which duo do you trust?  Tavon Austin and Marvin Jones or *checks notes* DJ Montgomery and Jeff Smith?

[Mogglez]

13 minutes ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said:

I forgot all about that.  The “streak” continues for Lawrence.  What is that 1 TD pass in his last 10 games? Haha...Jeez.

But I’d never write Lawrence off at this point in the same way I wouldn’t Wilson.

That’s something that any rational-headed football fan believes.  Unfortunately, around these parts it’s a hot take

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Gun to your head and you need a first down to live, which duo do you trust?  Tavon Austin and Marvin Jones or *checks notes* DJ Montgomery and Jeff Smith?

Marvin Jones is a nice player, but the Jets had their two best backs, along with Keelan Cole and Berrios. Neither QB was playing with an All Star group, but once James Robinson went down, Lawrence was playing with one target. Also is a fact that Lawrence looked like ass 

[Mogglez]

20 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Marvin Jones is a nice player, but the Jets had their two best backs, along with Keelan Cole and Berrios. Neither QB was playing with an All Star group, but once James Robinson went down, Lawrence was playing with one target. Also is a fact that Lawrence looked like ass 

This isn’t helping your argument.  

[Hal N of Provo]

LMAO.  I missed this.  I turned the game off right at the end.   Zach describes the “trick play” in detail.  
 

 

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

This isn’t helping your argument.

Cole had 55 catches for 642 yards and five TDs last year playing with Gardner Minshew.

Berrios went 37/394/3 tds last year under Gase with a combination of Sam Darnold and Joe Flacco.

Tavon Austin had 39 catches, combined, over the last four seasons

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, Mogglez said:

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Cole had 55 catches for 642 yards and five TDs last year playing with Gardner Minshew.

Berrios went 37/394/3 tds last year under Gase with a combination of Sam Darnold and Joe Flacco.

Tavon Austin had 39 catches, combined, over the last four seasons

 

 

That “nice player” (Marvin Jones) is having a down year, even as an old vet, and he still almost has the combined yardage of both of these guys (Cole and Berrios).  Cole is not good dude.  He’s made that abundantly clear this year between the lack of separation, drops, bad routes, etc. regardless of who is under center.  Him and Gardner connected a bunch of times in garbage time last year and they padded stats.  Call it the Breshad Perriman effect, if you will.  

Lawrence also had the privilege of going against the guys we picked up off the street this week to play for our already depleted and struggling defense.  Honestly, I still love Trevor and he’s probably going to be just fine, but the dude hasn’t accounted for a TD since November 28th.  He has 1 TD in 8 Games.  First people told me it was Urban Meyer (after they initially told me Urban was a “winner”).  Then Urban got fired.  If Zach Wilson went an entire month accounting for 0 points this forum would be up in flames, nevermind accounting for one TD in 8 games.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, bla bla bla said:

3 today

Did he say Connor McDavid?

[Sperm Edwards]

51 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

He threw over 300 more passing yards and 3x as many passing TDs as Zach did today. 

I get it, you didn’t want the Jets to draft him instead of Fields - who also stinks himself, mind you - but you’re being more than a little ridiculous throughout this thread.

It was thrilling watching White and his 1 game + 1 drive career, but no one seriously believes those exact same results would’ve ensued if White attempted only half the passes, further handicapped by not having Moore & Carter starting, whose presence further opened up those 20 throws underneath to Carter & Johnson. 

The team’s #4 and #5 receivers were #1 and #2 today, and the team just runs different plays under those circumstances, as anyone would expect. It’s one thing to whine over not having elite wepponz; it’s another when the only two NFL-level downfield receivers are Berrios & Cole (neither exactly running 20+ yard routes as some matter of routine).

With the team’s top 3 WRs out, he had 193 yards and 2 TDs on 26 dropbacks, not counting a couple obvious drops that weren’t reflections on the one throwing it.

I take for granted a QB isn’t going to have as many passing yards when the team gains 270 yards on the ground plus they lose 1 possession to a KOR TD plus another possession that began on a short field. He had 4 pass attempts until almost halfway through the 2nd quarter ffs, and that second offensive drive ended on a perfect strike his receiver just flat-out dropped.

No serious person is anointing him anything based on today, and on balance his rookie season has sucked, but overall today - including his yards with his feet, which do count - he was fine. Factoring everything, to come away from today’s game with literally nothing but criticism of a rookie QB is saying more about you than the player.

What I’m most concerned about at this stage with a rookie QB - particularly one who’s had a pretty lousy start to his career - is not just standing back there taking stupid sacks (nor the opposite: feeling pressure that isn’t there), and of course his ball placement. He was good on the former concern today. On the latter, one of them on that first attempt to Mims, I’ll assume was the throw, though with Mims you never know where he was actually expected to be; and there was another early dumpoff it looked like he just flat-out missed (though it’s also possible he thought Kroft would keep running and was just trying to lead him). If you’re going to go out of your way to note & count interceptable passes, the same goes for dropped passes & their yards & extended drives which you purposely ignore. Anyway, on the rest of his attempts, the placement on actual pass attempts was good, weak opponent notwithstanding. Never mind 91 rushing yards on 4 broken pass plays.

This is an odd game to wage a multi-front war over it like a Pats fan joining up to troll the fan base. He played fine. 

[slimjasi]

5 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

 

If Zach Wilson went an entire month accounting for 0 points this forum would be up in flames.

This