*** THE OFFSEASON CIRCUS HAS BEGUN ***

[Bronx]

The official dates for the big shows are March 16th (free agents) and April 28th (draft). In the meantime time, let's enjoy the matinee of predictions, analysis, opinions, arguments, discussions and countless mock drafts from all the subject matter experts and gurus. 

Below is a great article of hundreds to come. 

https://www.sny.tv/articles/an-early-look-jets-2022-nfl-draft

[jbt]

this is the offseason, the real season for the jets is free agency and the draft

 

 

[Bronx]

13 minutes ago, jbt said:

this is the offseason, the real season for the jets is free agency and the draft

 

 

Sad but true. 

[Bronx]

Oregon DE/LB Kayvon Thibodeaux – He may be the best player in the draft and figures to be a Top 2 pick. Maybe, if a QB sneaks in to the top spots, he falls to 3, but no further. The 6-4, 250-pound edge rusher would seem to be an ideal fit on the opposite end of a healthy Lawson. That would instantly transform the Jets’ defense into something dangerous, and give Robert Saleh the kind of front he had in San Francisco.

Michigan DE Aidan Hutchinson – Ditto everything written above about Thibodeaux. This 6-6, 265-pounder is coming off a 14-sack season and right now it’s a coin flip as to which is the best pass rusher and maybe best player in the draft. It’s hard to see the Jets passing either one if they’re available. With one of them the Jets’ D would look a whole lot different next year.

 

Purdue DE George Karlaftis – He’s a notch or two below the Thibodeaux/Hutchinson level, but he’s still a powerful, 6-4, 275-pound pass rusher who can come at the quarterback from anywhere. He doesn’t have the same production as the Top 2 (just 4.5 sacks last year), but the skills are there. He should be a top option if the Jets’ pick lands outside the Top 4.

Arkansas WR Treylon Burks – There are as many as five receivers vying for the title of “Best WR in the 2022 draft” and all of them would help out Wilson. Imagine a healthy Elijah Moore and Corey Davis getting someone like the 6-3, 225 Burks to draw some attention away. He was a dynamic playmaker, catching 66 passes for 1,104 yards and 11 touchdowns this year. He was even 7-129-1 against the tough, Alabama defense.

Ohio State WR Garrett Wilson – He’s not as big as Burks (5-11, 186) but he might be faster. He also caught 60 passes for 939 yards and 11 touchdowns, despite having another legit candidate for the draft’s best receiver on his own team (Chris Olave). Take your pick, really. And throw in Alabama’s Jameson Williams – an Ohio State transfer – too. They’ll all be there and the Jets could choose between a couple of them, even with their second first-round pick.

Notre Dame S Kyle Hamilton – He’s the most disruptive secondary player in the draft and could be the perfect replacement for Maye, who seems unlikely to be re-signed by the Jets. He’s 6-4, 210, has great speed, is said to be really smart, and has eight interceptions, 7.5 tackles for loss and 16 pass deflections in 31 career games. A knee injury limited him to just seven games this season, but he’s expected to be fine, though he’s skipping the Fiesta Bowl.

LSU CB Derek Stingley Jr. – The Jets look like they have some young corners who can play in Bryce Hall, Michael Carter II and Brandin Echols. But Stingley’s talent may be on another level. The issue with him, though, is much of that is based on his spectacular, six-interception freshman season in 2019. Due to various injuries, including a foot injury that required surgery in October, he’s played just 10 games over the past two seasons. So the upside is high, but the risk is real.

Ole Miss T Charles Cross – The Jets’ offensive line has looked pretty good in the second half of this season and they still have their anchor left tackle, Mekhi Becton, presumably coming back healthy next season after losing most of this year to a knee injury. Tackle might not be their biggest offseason priority. Still, Douglas loves offensive linemen, and if their pick is low enough, the 6-5, 305-pound athletic Cross is a good fit for their wide zone blocking scheme – maybe even better than the top tackle in the draft, Alabama’s Evan Neal (6-7, 360).

[Rhg1084]

5 minutes ago, Bronx said:

Oregon DE/LB Kayvon Thibodeaux – He may be the best player in the draft and figures to be a Top 2 pick. Maybe, if a QB sneaks in to the top spots, he falls to 3, but no further. The 6-4, 250-pound edge rusher would seem to be an ideal fit on the opposite end of a healthy Lawson. That would instantly transform the Jets’ defense into something dangerous, and give Robert Saleh the kind of front he had in San Francisco.

Michigan DE Aidan Hutchinson – Ditto everything written above about Thibodeaux. This 6-6, 265-pounder is coming off a 14-sack season and right now it’s a coin flip as to which is the best pass rusher and maybe best player in the draft. It’s hard to see the Jets passing either one if they’re available. With one of them the Jets’ D would look a whole lot different next year.

 

Purdue DE George Karlaftis – He’s a notch or two below the Thibodeaux/Hutchinson level, but he’s still a powerful, 6-4, 275-pound pass rusher who can come at the quarterback from anywhere. He doesn’t have the same production as the Top 2 (just 4.5 sacks last year), but the skills are there. He should be a top option if the Jets’ pick lands outside the Top 4.

Arkansas WR Treylon Burks – There are as many as five receivers vying for the title of “Best WR in the 2022 draft” and all of them would help out Wilson. Imagine a healthy Elijah Moore and Corey Davis getting someone like the 6-3, 225 Burks to draw some attention away. He was a dynamic playmaker, catching 66 passes for 1,104 yards and 11 touchdowns this year. He was even 7-129-1 against the tough, Alabama defense.

Ohio State WR Garrett Wilson – He’s not as big as Burks (5-11, 186) but he might be faster. He also caught 60 passes for 939 yards and 11 touchdowns, despite having another legit candidate for the draft’s best receiver on his own team (Chris Olave). Take your pick, really. And throw in Alabama’s Jameson Williams – an Ohio State transfer – too. They’ll all be there and the Jets could choose between a couple of them, even with their second first-round pick.

Notre Dame S Kyle Hamilton – He’s the most disruptive secondary player in the draft and could be the perfect replacement for Maye, who seems unlikely to be re-signed by the Jets. He’s 6-4, 210, has great speed, is said to be really smart, and has eight interceptions, 7.5 tackles for loss and 16 pass deflections in 31 career games. A knee injury limited him to just seven games this season, but he’s expected to be fine, though he’s skipping the Fiesta Bowl.

LSU CB Derek Stingley Jr. – The Jets look like they have some young corners who can play in Bryce Hall, Michael Carter II and Brandin Echols. But Stingley’s talent may be on another level. The issue with him, though, is much of that is based on his spectacular, six-interception freshman season in 2019. Due to various injuries, including a foot injury that required surgery in October, he’s played just 10 games over the past two seasons. So the upside is high, but the risk is real.

Ole Miss T Charles Cross – The Jets’ offensive line has looked pretty good in the second half of this season and they still have their anchor left tackle, Mekhi Becton, presumably coming back healthy next season after losing most of this year to a knee injury. Tackle might not be their biggest offseason priority. Still, Douglas loves offensive linemen, and if their pick is low enough, the 6-5, 305-pound athletic Cross is a good fit for their wide zone blocking scheme – maybe even better than the top tackle in the draft, Alabama’s Evan Neal (6-7, 360).

As of today my money is on Karlaftis being our pick, the Seattle pick is where it gets interesting 

[RedBeardedSavage]

• 1a David Ojabo DE Michigan 
• 1b Jameson Williams WR Alabama / Treylon Burks WR Arkansas
• 2a Nick Petit-Frere OT Ohio State
• 2b Trey McBride TE Colorado State
• 3 Chad Muma LB Wyoming
• Cut Lawson, let Maye walk
• Sign Chandler Jones DE Arizona
• Sign Ben Jones C Titans
• Move McGovern to RG
• Draft RB's, safeties, DT's and interior offensive line on day 3

Pray for Zach, Saleh and Lafleur to improve drastically.

[BigRy56]

When you read these breakdowns on Stingley, how in the world could we possibly consider him at 4? 2019 is a lifetime ago 

[Bronx]

3 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

When you read these breakdowns on Stingley, how in the world could we possibly consider him at 4? 2019 is a lifetime ago 

In addition,  let's avoid players  who suffered serious injuries in the past.

[JohnnyLV]

15 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

As of today my money is on Karlaftis being our pick, the Seattle pick is where it gets interesting 

I want nothing to do with Karlaftis there. EDGE is second only to QB for players being pushed up the draft board well past their value.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

Is Karlaftis going to be another Leonard and Quinnen Williams? Leo and Q are both quality players, but they fall short of their draft position. 

[playtowinthegame]

I love this time of year. Looking forward to all the mock drafts by are resident draftniks. 

[Icer]

Best time of the year as a Jets fan

[T0mShane]

If Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are gone, just bail on the fourth pick. Sell it to the highest bidder. I don’t care if it’s for picks in 2023. Everything at that spot feels like a reach. @derp said it best, that these schemes don’t require A+ freak CB talent, so no need to take one there, and we’ve seen that they can run the ball and effectively pass block with average talents like LDC, Moses, etc, and with Becton presumably coming back, you have two good tackles already, and you can draft a swing guy as Becton insurance later on. 

[Greensleeves]

28 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

• 1a David Ojabo DE Michigan 
• 1b Jameson Williams WR Alabama / Treylon Burks WR Arkansas
• 2a Nick Petit-Frere OT Ohio State
• 2b Trey McBride TE Colorado State
• 3 Chad Muma LB Wyoming
• Cut Lawson, let Maye walk
• Sign Chandler Jones DE Arizona
• Sign Ben Jones C Titans
• Move McGovern to RG
• Draft RB's, safeties, DT's and interior offensive line on day 3

Pray for Zach, Saleh and Lafleur to improve drastically.

No way do I cut Lawson unless he isn't the same. He was the best player on our team before the injury. He will also be much better than any rookie pass rusher next year and if we do grab a rookie pass rusher he will benefit big time by having Lawson. You can't just cast away the best pass rusher we've had since John Abraham.

[Bronx]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

and you can draft a swing guy as Becton insurance later on

Becton is a "swing guy" material at the moment

 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Greensleeves said:

No way do I cut Lawson unless he isn't the same. He was the best player on our team before the injury. He will also be much better than any rookie pass rusher next year and if we do grab a rookie pass rusher he will benefit big time by having Lawson. You can't just cast away the best pass rusher we've had since John Abraham.

I think he means Shaq Lawson

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Bronx said:

Becton is a "swing guy" material at the moment

 

Not at that price point, pal.

[Bronx]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Not at that price point, pal.

I get it, but it has been frustrating at best.

[RedBeardedSavage]

Just now, Greensleeves said:

No way do I cut Lawson unless he isn't the same. He was the best player on our team before the injury. He will also be much better than any rookie pass rusher next year and if we do grab a rookie pass rusher he will benefit big time by having Lawson. You can't just cast away the best pass rusher we've had since John Abraham.

I was Lawsons A1 fan. "Celebrated his entire catalogue". He was my #1 FA target last year.

But yea, dude's contract is structured so that cutting him this spring saves us 14 mil against the cap next year, and 14 the year after.

Might as well give 20 mil a year for Chandler Jones for two years and draft a dude @ 4 that can learn from him (and start opposite him). 

[RedBeardedSavage]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I think he means Shaq Lawson

I mean Carl.

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

I was Lawsons A1 fan. "Celebrated his entire catalogue". He was my #1 FA target last year.

But yea, dude's contract is structured so that cutting him this spring saves us 14 mil against the cap next year, and 14 the year after.

Might as well give 20 mil a year for Chandler Jones for two years and draft a dude @ 4 that can learn from him (and start opposite him). 

 

3 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

I mean Carl.

Oh snap

[Bronx]

6 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

But yea, dude's contract is structured so that cutting him this spring saves us 14 mil against the cap next year, and 14 the year after.

I vote to cut ties, we need healthy and durable players.

[RedBeardedSavage]

Just now, Bronx said:

I vote to cut ties, we need healthy and durable players.

[JTJet]

Just now, RedBeardedSavage said:

[jetstream23]

57 minutes ago, Bronx said:

Oregon DE/LB Kayvon Thibodeaux – He may be the best player in the draft and figures to be a Top 2 pick. Maybe, if a QB sneaks in to the top spots, he falls to 3, but no further. The 6-4, 250-pound edge rusher would seem to be an ideal fit on the opposite end of a healthy Lawson. That would instantly transform the Jets’ defense into something dangerous, and give Robert Saleh the kind of front he had in San Francisco.

Michigan DE Aidan Hutchinson – Ditto everything written above about Thibodeaux. This 6-6, 265-pounder is coming off a 14-sack season and right now it’s a coin flip as to which is the best pass rusher and maybe best player in the draft. It’s hard to see the Jets passing either one if they’re available. With one of them the Jets’ D would look a whole lot different next year.

 

Purdue DE George Karlaftis – He’s a notch or two below the Thibodeaux/Hutchinson level, but he’s still a powerful, 6-4, 275-pound pass rusher who can come at the quarterback from anywhere. He doesn’t have the same production as the Top 2 (just 4.5 sacks last year), but the skills are there. He should be a top option if the Jets’ pick lands outside the Top 4.

Arkansas WR Treylon Burks – There are as many as five receivers vying for the title of “Best WR in the 2022 draft” and all of them would help out Wilson. Imagine a healthy Elijah Moore and Corey Davis getting someone like the 6-3, 225 Burks to draw some attention away. He was a dynamic playmaker, catching 66 passes for 1,104 yards and 11 touchdowns this year. He was even 7-129-1 against the tough, Alabama defense.

Ohio State WR Garrett Wilson – He’s not as big as Burks (5-11, 186) but he might be faster. He also caught 60 passes for 939 yards and 11 touchdowns, despite having another legit candidate for the draft’s best receiver on his own team (Chris Olave). Take your pick, really. And throw in Alabama’s Jameson Williams – an Ohio State transfer – too. They’ll all be there and the Jets could choose between a couple of them, even with their second first-round pick.

Notre Dame S Kyle Hamilton – He’s the most disruptive secondary player in the draft and could be the perfect replacement for Maye, who seems unlikely to be re-signed by the Jets. He’s 6-4, 210, has great speed, is said to be really smart, and has eight interceptions, 7.5 tackles for loss and 16 pass deflections in 31 career games. A knee injury limited him to just seven games this season, but he’s expected to be fine, though he’s skipping the Fiesta Bowl.

LSU CB Derek Stingley Jr. – The Jets look like they have some young corners who can play in Bryce Hall, Michael Carter II and Brandin Echols. But Stingley’s talent may be on another level. The issue with him, though, is much of that is based on his spectacular, six-interception freshman season in 2019. Due to various injuries, including a foot injury that required surgery in October, he’s played just 10 games over the past two seasons. So the upside is high, but the risk is real.

Ole Miss T Charles Cross – The Jets’ offensive line has looked pretty good in the second half of this season and they still have their anchor left tackle, Mekhi Becton, presumably coming back healthy next season after losing most of this year to a knee injury. Tackle might not be their biggest offseason priority. Still, Douglas loves offensive linemen, and if their pick is low enough, the 6-5, 305-pound athletic Cross is a good fit for their wide zone blocking scheme – maybe even better than the top tackle in the draft, Alabama’s Evan Neal (6-7, 360).

I'm one of the guys NOT in the double-dip defense in Round 1 club.  I think it's important to keep feeding the offense.  Not to the degree we have in the past (first two picks last year and the year before) but just because the D is atrocious doesn't mean we should suddenly ignore an O that is still under significant development.

IF the Jets are not pursuing an elite OT like Evan Neal then my plan would be to grab one of the top DE's with the Jets first pick and then trade back with the Seattle pick.  Dropping from the 7-10 area (where the Seattle pick will likely be) to the late teens or 20's should still allow the Jets to grab one of the excellent WRs while also accumulating a couple more picks (maybe 2nd this year and a 2nd next year) that can be used on everything from a LB or S to a TE or OG.

[Bronx]

2 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

I'm one of the guys NOT in the double-dip defense in Round 1 club.  I think it's important to keep feeding the offense

Trade Seattle's pick for a QB needy team and flip it for the best WR/TE respectively. 

[BigRy56]

I haven’t stood them up side by side but when you read Karlaftis’ breakdown, it reminds me of Ryan Kerrigan. Sounds good to me - I would take that at the Seattle pick

[TuscanyTile2]

30 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

If Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are gone, just bail on the fourth pick. Sell it to the highest bidder. I don’t care if it’s for picks in 2023. Everything at that spot feels like a reach. @derp said it best, that these schemes don’t require A+ freak CB talent, so no need to take one there, and we’ve seen that they can run the ball and effectively pass block with average talents like LDC, Moses, etc, and with Becton presumably coming back, you have two good tackles already, and you can draft a swing guy as Becton insurance later on. 

We'll always have that awesome victory over the Jags though!

[TuscanyTile2]

5 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

I'm one of the guys NOT in the double-dip defense in Round 1 club.  I think it's important to keep feeding the offense.  Not to the degree we have in the past (first two picks last year and the year before) but just because the D is atrocious doesn't mean we should suddenly ignore an O that is still under significant development.

IF the Jets are not pursuing an elite OT like Evan Neal then my plan would be to grab one of the top DE's with the Jets first pick and then trade back with the Seattle pick.  Dropping from the 7-10 area (where the Seattle pick will likely be) to the late teens or 20's should still allow the Jets to grab one of the excellent WRs while also accumulating a couple more picks (maybe 2nd this year and a 2nd next year) that can be used on everything from a LB or S to a TE or OG.

What if Thibodeaux and Hutchinson and Neal are all gone in the top 3?  Then what do we do?

I really feel like we're going to take Kyle Hamilton.

[Bronx]

45 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I want nothing to do with Karlaftis there. EDGE is second only to QB for players being pushed up the draft board well past their value.

Saleh's D needs a stud edge and you can't  count Lawson as reliable after such injury.  He needs a Bosa type for his D to flourish. 

[#27TheDominator]

3 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

We'll always have that awesome victory over the Jags though!

Whatever will we do?  We won't be able to select Trubisky or Solomon Thomas and we will be stuck choosing between Mahomes and Watson!

[HawkeyeJet]

Is the combine back to normal this year?

[Matt39]

Thibs has some flakiness to him it seems. Hutchinson seems like a lock at 1. The Purdue pass rusher is a bit of a stiff. Haven’t looked at the receivers much but I’d prefer a guy who scores touchdowns to a mid level edge. 

The OT from Bama seems safe and will be good for a decade but it’s not much of a need I guess. LSU DB is a hard pass. Never plays.

[Bronx]

2 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I really feel like we're going to take Kyle Hamilton.

Sorry, but I can't agree. There are higher priorities on this team than using a high pick on a safety...I don't buy it.

[undertow]

I'm so excited we have finally reached year one of the Joe Douglas regime.