Popular Post OtherwiseHappyinLife Posted September 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2022 If the offensive talent on this team is as good as what many of us think it can be. We’re obviously not there yet on both fronts but 1. Wilson & Carter are jumping off the screen 2. Moore is getting open (a time bomb that might explode tomorrow) 3. Davis & Berrios are talented compliments that can easily win matchups as opponents pick their poison 4. Hall is quietly becoming dangerous. His 20+ yard run against the Browns was the perfect balance of vision, patience, and explosiveness 5. A deep group of tight ends will add an element we haven’t had for over a decade or 2 6. Yes, the OLine has started shaky but Mitchell has been a revelation / should only get better & AVT is establishing himself as one of the top guards in football. Tomlinson will be fine and McGovern is at least an average starting center. I actually worry most about Fant and hope Brown can make it back JD has built a young but developing foundation that IMO has a real chance of becoming a top 10 unit with middle of the road QB play, assuming we can finally keep injuries down. That’s all we need #2 draft pick, next in line franchise savior Zach to be.. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Should change thread title to "we just need fant and Tomlinson to be average" 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 That’s asking a lot. He would have better luck coming up with the formula to create perpetual motion. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fullblast Posted September 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2022 The reason this offense has been able to function is Flacco hasn’t turned the ball over much. 1 pick in 100 pass attempts. All we need is a QB who isn’t a turnover machine and the rest will work itself out. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, fullblast said: The reason this offense has been able to function is Flacco hasn’t turned the ball over much. 1 pick in 100 pass attempts. All we need is a QB who isn’t a turnover machine and the rest will work itself out. Puttin' the whammy on the old man, are you? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post munchmemory Posted September 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2022 If Zach winds up as average after being the #2 pick? It will be regarded as another of this franchise's colossal failures. If we truly just want an average QB, they should have used that pick more wisely and just taken a QB in the second round. 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncjetman Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 If the offensive talent on this team is as good as what many of us think it can be. We’re obviously not there yet on both fronts but 1. Wilson & Carter are jumping off the screen 2. Moore is getting open (a time bomb that might explode tomorrow) 3. Davis & Berrios are talented compliments that can easily win matchups as opponents pick their poison 4. Hall is quietly becoming dangerous. His 20+ yard run against the Browns was the perfect balance of vision, patience, and explosiveness 5. A deep group of tight ends will add an element we haven’t had for over a decade or 2 6. Yes, the OLine has started shaky but Mitchell has been a revelation / should only get better & AVT is establishing himself as one of the top guards in football. Tomlinson will be fine and McGovern is at least an average starting center. I actually worry most about Fant and hope Brown can make it back JD has built a young but developing foundation that IMO has a real chance of becoming a top 10 unit with middle of the road QB play, assuming we can finally keep injuries down. That’s all we need #2 draft pick, next in line franchise savior Zach to be.. perfect post - sorry all the obnoxious jet baiters will hate it but you are so correct - and i expect zw to be way above average - this offense and his skill set are made for each otherSent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncjetman Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 The reason this offense has been able to function is Flacco hasn’t turned the ball over much. 1 pick in 100 pass attempts. All we need is a QB who isn’t a turnover machine and the rest will work itself out.starts and end with offensive line playSent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sammybighead Posted September 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2022 I think we legitimately need to take a deep breathe and give zach a chance. You're writing him off like it's ceiling is bum backup level. He may ultimately not be the guy but can we at least see what he has without dreading his return? Seriously you guys have given me so much anxiety reading these posts about him. I, for one, am excited to see zach on the field as soon as possible. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 We just need Zach Wilson to be more like Jimmy Garoppolo, or else the Jets sign Jimmy Garoppolo next off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 13 minutes ago, munchmemory said: If Zach winds up as average after being the #2 pick? It will be regarded as another of this franchise's colossal failures. If we truly just want an average QB, they should have used that pick more wisely and just taken a QB in the second round. His skill set attributes are far far above “average”, and that’s why he was drafted so high. If he can consistently translate those attributes to the field is another question, we don’t know yet. But you saw them on display when he beat The Goat for 59:30. Small sample size I know. But at least we saw they were there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92ShaunEllis92 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 23 minutes ago, Bugg said: Puttin' the whammy on the old man, are you? Is that some type of metaphor for safe sex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spoot-Face Posted September 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2022 If the best Zach becomes is an average QB, then he was the wrong pick at #2 OVA. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: His skill set attributes are far far above “average”, and that’s why he was drafted so high. If he can consistently translate those attributes to the field is another question, we don’t know yet. But you saw them on display when he beat The Goat for 59:30. Small sample size I know. But at least we saw they were there. "His skill set attributes are far far above “average”. That's the party line. And what Woody and especially JD are hanging their hats on. So far, I haven't seen anything about Zach Wilson to get excited about. IMO, he never becomes a Jet franchise QB. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92ShaunEllis92 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 23 minutes ago, munchmemory said: If Zach winds up as average after being the #2 pick? It will be regarded as another of this franchise's colossal failures. If we truly just want an average QB, they should have used that pick more wisely and just taken a QB in the second round. Like the Chargers in 2001 and Bengals in 2011? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, munchmemory said: If Zach winds up as average after being the #2 pick? It will be regarded as another of this franchise's colossal failures. If we truly just want an average QB, they should have used that pick more wisely and just taken a QB in the second round. Average by definition would be the 16th best QB in the NFL Not sure that would be a colossal failure. He should certainly be better than that, but colossal failure is a bit much. Would put him around Cousins and Carr. I expect much more from him - and you should expect that with #2.... The odds of finding the 16th best QB in the NFL in the 2nd round shrinks substantially. You take your best shot at the best QB you can find and do everything to support him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Joe Flacco is on pace to throw 43 touchdowns. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FidelioJet Posted September 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, Sammybighead said: I think we legitimately need to take a deep breathe and give zach a chance. You're writing him off like it's ceiling is bum backup level. He may ultimately not be the guy but can we at least see what he has without dreading his return? Seriously you guys have given me so much anxiety reading these posts about him. I, for one, am excited to see zach on the field as soon as possible. Don't listen to these guys. What you'll note is it's the same 5 or 6 guys that go to every thread and destroy them with the same non-sense over and over again. I'll take it a step further - go back pre-draft and every single one of those guys those ruin every thread with the same anti-Zach BS- were heavily against drafting Zach is the first place. They're dug in on their own ego is all. Surely Zach had a tough time early last year - but he settled in and showed real growth the last 5 weeks...and this off-season he was a far more mature QB. Additionally, anyone not dug in on his failure - noticed the elite traits. He needs to put it all together for sure - and has a lot to prove...but it's all there. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Joe Flacco is on pace to throw 43 touchdowns. And 5,236 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBJ Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Zach appears to be below average. 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Joe Flacco is on pace to throw 43 touchdowns. Size queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 For Zach to be average would mean a huge jump in year 2 and 3. Here's what the mean at 16 was in the NFL for QB's last year vs. Zach. Granted he only played 13 games due to injury but you can pro-rate it out. All things being equal Zach probably has 14 INT's and 11 to 12 TD's in a full season. You can argue he might have been better statistically if he had played 17 games. You can also argue sitting when he was playing badly skewed the stats the other way. I don't think that's really important. QBR: 92.2 Zach 69.7 AYC: 7.2 Zach 5.3 Int: 14 Zach 11 TD: 21 Zach 9 Completion Percentage: 66.3 Zach 55.6 ATT: 516 Zach 383 YG: 231.8 Zah 179.5 Would love to see Zach get into the top 24 pro rated for the amount of games he plays this year and get to the top 16 next year. The only problem with the idea that a top 16 QB can lead the Jets to a championship is we have a top 3 QB in our division and the confrence is loaded with top QB's. I can see a scenario where Zach is good but not good enough to get us into the playoffs. The games against Miami this year are going to be a great benchmark for what we need frome the QB to get into the playoffs as a wild card team. I think we really need Zach to develop into a top 10 QB or we probably shouldn't sign him to a second contract. We might be better off if he's average to take the 5th year option and keep drafting QB's until we develop a top 10 NFL QB. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Average by definition would be the 16th best QB in the NFL Not sure that would be a colossal failure. He should certainly be better than that, but colossal failure is a bit much. Would put him around Cousins and Carr. I expect much more from him - and you should expect that with #2.... The odds of finding the 16th best QB in the NFL in the 2nd round shrinks substantially. You take your best shot at the best QB you can find and do everything to support him. At the moment Davis Mills taken in the third round last year looks as good as any of last years drafted QB's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullblast Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 41 minutes ago, ncjetman said: starts and end with offensive line play Sent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app Very true, but this offense will continue to struggle, even with a good OL, if they're constantly giving the ball away. Has been an issue nearly every single year with this team for the past 20 years. 2017 we won 4 games but many Jets fans fell in love with Josh McCown that year. Not because he threw for 4000 yards but because he took care of the football and gave them a chance each week. That's all we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherwiseHappyinLife Posted September 24, 2022 Author Share Posted September 24, 2022 36 minutes ago, munchmemory said: If Zach winds up as average after being the #2 pick? It will be regarded as another of this franchise's colossal failures. If we truly just want an average QB, they should have used that pick more wisely and just taken a QB in the second round. That really wasn’t the forest thru the trees point. That’s all we need him to be, doesn’t mean he cannot be more. But he cannot be less. I also don’t think it would be a colossal failure. Hitting on franchise level QBs is a bit of luck (and sorry there were no Lucks when we were on the clock). It might up to a 1/3 chance on getting one at that pick. I mean we could go back and look at the stats. Moving forward, not back at the 2021 draft with the benefit of hindsight, we need Zach to be at least an average starting NFL QB to take this offense to the top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 We need Zach to play. Period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Biggs said: At the moment Davis Mills taken in the third round last year looks as good as any of last years drafted QB's. So you're suggesting that it's just as easy to find a good QB in the 3rd round as the 1st? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherwiseHappyinLife Posted September 24, 2022 Author Share Posted September 24, 2022 53 minutes ago, Sammybighead said: Should change thread title to "we just need fant and Tomlinson to be average" Tomlinson is tracking to average by game 4 ;). Fant on the other hand? Maybe his knee is still bothering him? But to be fair, one was a pro bowler last year and the other was a top 3 pass pro LT. 2 games is a small sample, we can get worried if they haven’t improved by game 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: So you're suggesting that it's just as easy to find a good QB in the 3rd round as the 1st? Depends on the draft class. I think last year after Lawrence there was Zach, Mac, Lance,Fields and Davis. Mac was more of a ready to play solid game manager with less athletic ability. Fields and Lance were athletic freaks. Lance was a huge project. Fields less of a project. Mills and Zach have similiar arm talent, similiar ability to move but Mills has a lot more size and played against better competition. I'm suggesting in last years draft class taking Zach at 2 and Lance at 3 were both unnecesary reaches. If they work out it doesn't matter. If they don't we left a lot of draft capital on the table. Not all draft classes are the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 58 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said: That’s asking a lot. He would have better luck coming up with the formula to create perpetual motion. Perpetual motion? Psssss. Would have been impressive last year. @T0mShane has crossed the perpetual erection barrier. Zach being great is now nothing. So done deal. Book it. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Joe Flacco is on pace to throw 43 touchdowns.And 8.5 4th quarter come from behind wins. It is turning into a magical season! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Said all along with he produces top-16 numbers in any of the following categories — yards, TDs, completion % — I will be satisfied in giving him another year. The bar is low. Just be average. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker89 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Lol average QB play is literally all we have ever asked for... I would gladly draft average QB play 1st overall and be happy about it. Which is sad. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Sammybighead said: I think we legitimately need to take a deep breathe and give zach a chance. You're writing him off like it's ceiling is bum backup level. He may ultimately not be the guy but can we at least see what he has without dreading his return? Seriously you guys have given me so much anxiety reading these posts about him. I, for one, am excited to see zach on the field as soon as possible. Exactly. Let’s give the kid an actual chance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Fantasy Island said: That’s asking a lot. He would have better luck coming up with the formula to create perpetual motion. To be this vociferous, Tattoo... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 29 minutes ago, Biggs said: Depends on the draft class. I think last year after Lawrence there was Zach, Mac, Lance,Fields and Davis. Mac was more of a ready to play solid game manager with less athletic ability. Fields and Lance were athletic freaks. Lance was a huge project. Fields less of a project. Mills and Zach have similiar arm talent, similiar ability to move but Mills has a lot more size and played against better competition. I'm suggesting in last years draft class taken Zach at 2 and Lance at 3 were both unnecesary reaches. If they work out it doesn't matter. If they don't we left a lot of draft capital on the table. Not all draft classes are the same. No offense....But Comparing Zach to Mills as prospects is all I need to know from you. We can end any discussion from now on referencing Zach. Just easier that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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