Bad game changing nfl calls

[AlexVanDyke]

Obviously this weekend had egregiously bad calls.  But I’ve noticed this trend for years on roughing the passes and interference calls.  Many of these just seem like arbitrary panicked flag tosses and they literally can change outcomes.
my question  is this purely based on rule changes in recent years  or was it always like this? It’s really bad.  If the Tua developments make this the norm, it’s going to become unwatchable 

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

Part of me says nfl should use college pass interference rules. 15 yard penalty. But if your a cb and your about to give up a 50 yard pass you can just tackle the wr and give up 15 yards instead. So in conclusion I have no idea how to fix that. Lol

roughing the passer has become kind of ridiculous. If you tap a qb on the helmet it’s roughing the passer. Something has to be done there. It should be looked at as more unnecessary roughness. Something that’s over the top. Right now it’s too ticky tacky 

[nycdan]

This week was particularly bad because of the backlash from the Tuanon crisis.  It seems like if you don't hug the QB warmly before gently easing him to the ground, you are going to get flagged.  

Having said that, these non-reviewable calls are giving refs a way to control the outcome of a game.  Not saying it's always so deliberate, but there is no difference between an incompetent ref and a corrupt one as far as their impact on the outcome of the game.  

The NFL tried making PI calls reviewable and deemed it a failure.  Okay, so what do we do about it.

The big hue and cry has been to change PI to a 15 yard penalty like in college, rather than a spot foul.  This opens the door to teams using it as a weapon at the end of games.  If a team needs to drive the field with 30 seconds left, the DB would be well-coached to just wrap up a WR on a long bomb if the result is 15 yards and 8-10 seconds off the clock.

So how to fix?

I'd say that in the last 2 minutes of a game, PI calls result in the 15-yard penalty, but the clock is reset to where it was at the previous snap.  That would completely remove the advantage to the defense of using it, while not automatically setting the offense up for an easy FG on a bad call.

They really should pay me for this.

[56mehl56]

1 minute ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

Part of me says nfl should use college pass interference rules. 15 yard penalty. But if your a cb and your about to give up a 50 yard pass you can just tackle the wr and give up 15 yards instead. So in conclusion I have no idea how to fix that. Lol

roughing the passer has become kind of ridiculous. If you tap a qb on the helmet it’s roughing the passer. Something has to be done there. It should be looked at as more unnecessary roughness. Something that’s over the top. Right now it’s too ticky tacky 

I would change the rule to be PI's  between 5-25 yards , make them a 10 yd penalty. Anything beyond 25 yards split the yardage in half. So if its a PI 30 yds downfield award 15, if its 50 give 25 etc....  

[Barry McCockinner]

4 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

Part of me says nfl should use college pass interference rules. 15 yard penalty. But if your a cb and your about to give up a 50 yard pass you can just tackle the wr and give up 15 yards instead. So in conclusion I have no idea how to fix that. Lol

roughing the passer has become kind of ridiculous. If you tap a qb on the helmet it’s roughing the passer. Something has to be done there. It should be looked at as more unnecessary roughness. Something that’s over the top. Right now it’s too ticky tacky 

You make two levels. One egregious pass interference that has a spot foul to prevent the situation you noted, and one normal DPI that's 15 yards. Kind of like how they used to have 2 different facemask penalties. It will be a subjective differentiation and there will still be mistakes but I feel like the end result would still be a lot better.

the roughing the passer stuff needs to be cleaned up quicky, it's total garbage what they did this week.

[JiFtheOracle]

4 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

Part of me says nfl should use college pass interference rules. 15 yard penalty. But if your a cb and your about to give up a 50 yard pass you can just tackle the wr and give up 15 yards instead. So in conclusion I have no idea how to fix that. Lol

roughing the passer has become kind of ridiculous. If you tap a qb on the helmet it’s roughing the passer. Something has to be done there. It should be looked at as more unnecessary roughness. Something that’s over the top. Right now it’s too ticky tacky 

I agree 100% with changing the PI calls to the college rules.  It's out of control how often teams get bailed out on a 3rd and long by throwing up a prayer and getting exactly that, a prayer for a flag answer by the refs. 

We watched a sack identical to the one they called on Jarrett w/ Brady and there was no flag but instead, we have an equally as stupid one called on Jones for his strip sack which doesnt even make sense considering Carr wasnt the QB anymore since the ball was loose.  It's truly a joke at this point and it makes it very hard to take this sh*t serious at times.

 

[JiFtheOracle]

4 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

I would change the rule to be PI's  between 5-25 yards , make them a 10 yd penalty. Anything beyond 25 yards split the yardage in half. So if its a PI 30 yds downfield award 15, if its 50 give 25 etc....  

I dont hate it.

2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

You make two levels. One egregious pass interference that has a spot foul to prevent the situation you noted, and one normal DPI that's 15 yards. Kind of like how they used to have 2 different facemask penalties. It will be a subjective differentiation and there will still be mistakes but I feel like the end result would still be a lot better.

I absolutely hate this.

[JetsFanatic]

4 hours ago, AlexVanDyke said:

Obviously this weekend had egregiously bad calls.  But I’ve noticed this trend for years on roughing the passes and interference calls.  Many of these just seem like arbitrary panicked flag tosses and they literally can change outcomes.
my question  is this purely based on rule changes in recent years  or was it always like this? It’s really bad.  If the Tua developments make this the norm, it’s going to become unwatchable 

Roughing the QB should be subject to review. As far as PI penalties, they are so frequent now that after every incompletion I wait to see if a flag is thrown. WRs are so used to getting calls that after virtually every incomplete pass they look at the official for a flag. 

[PS17]

My fear is that the NFL doesn’t realize they’re close to losing fans if they don’t fix the officials. They think their sh*t doesn’t stink as ratings are higher than ever, but they’re doing everything they can to make people furious and question the integrity of the games. And now back to our sponsor, Caesars Sportsbook! 

[Greensleeves]

Make them reviewable - I could care less if the game takes 5 minutes longer. It's worse talking about how an awful mistake by a ref cost a team the game. PI and late hits have to be challenged from here on out. I don't know why football has such a hard time implementing new technology. In tennis, where it is much tougher for the human eye to see a 140 mph serve and whether it caught a small piece of the line or not, most tournaments changed to an all electronic system to take the guess work out of the end result. Players can't complain about calls - it is what the electronics say it is. NFL should use tech on the sidelines to review a potential bad call - how hard can it be in slo mo to decide if it was a bad hit on a QB or a PI? 

[munchmemory]

It works in the CFL.    Other than obstinance, no reason it should not be incorporated into the NFL, too.   

[rex-n-effect]

The bad Brady call is just one in a long line of preferential calls for Brady. There's absolutely nothing new about that. Head right back to the Tuck Rule. 

There will always be bad calls and after what happened to Tua there will be a lot of latitude towards throwing roughing the passer penalty flags out of an abundance of caution. 

Taking the other side of the issue here, if the league wants to motivate teams to train players to hit (or not hit) a certain way or to play a certain way (e.g. minimizing pass interference) then one of the few tools in its belt is to aggressively punish the undesirable behavior. The more it costs to play the "wrong" way, the more motivation teams have to avoid it. 

[shawn306]

They are covering their collective @sses after the Tua injury.

Seriously if want to protect the QB or wrap him in bubble bring back the in the grasp rule. I am so tired of the it being on defensive guy to adjust.

You see QB taking advantage of it alot. Running down the sidelines looking like he is heading OB and then when he sees the defensive guy let up just a tad he turns is back inside and picks up even more yardage.

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

31 minutes ago, Greensleeves said:

Make them reviewable - I could care less if the game takes 5 minutes longer. It's worse talking about how an awful mistake by a ref cost a team the game. PI and late hits have to be challenged from here on out. I don't know why football has such a hard time implementing new technology. In tennis, where it is much tougher for the human eye to see a 140 mph serve and whether it caught a small piece of the line or not, most tournaments changed to an all electronic system to take the guess work out of the end result. Players can't complain about calls - it is what the electronics say it is. NFL should use tech on the sidelines to review a potential bad call - how hard can it be in slo mo to decide if it was a bad hit on a QB or a PI? 

They tried that after the NO-LAR playoff game non-call and it didn't work.  It should be a spot foul up to 15 yards out and 15 yards for a call 15 yards and beyond.  Why do you assume the catch will be made?  That's the absurd thing.  And OPI is 10 yards. Why not assume the interception?  

As for the argument that DBs will just commit a penalty if they are beat - If a receiver is about to run by a DB and the DB knows they are toast, the DB grabs the receiver.  The penalty is 5 yards for holding.  When the ball is in the air 40 yards downfield and the players are jostling for position, it's a 40 yard spot foul. How does that make sense?  15 yards for DPI.  That's it.  And it has to be obvious DPI, not some hand fighting or mutual pushing and shoving.  

[Jetpain]

First time in life i ever questioned the integrity of the game.  The roughing the passer penalties on the "sacks" of Tom Brady & Carr were horrible calls but it made me think...  it would seem the league has a financial incentive for teams with guys like Brady and Mahomes to win and get to the playoffs.  They are the faces of the league and clearly draw the best ratings when playing and revenue dollars.  Lesser QB's dont get that call.  The league can spin it any way they want, but they clearly lose big bucks if the playoffs were led by the so called non star QB's.  

[56mehl56]

Just now, Jetpain said:

First time in life i ever questioned the integrity of the game.  The roughing the passer penalties on the "sacks" of Tom Brady & mahomes were horrible calls but it made me think...  it would seem the league has a financial incentive for teams with guys like Brady and Mahomes to win and get to the playoffs.  They are the faces of the league and clearly draw the best ratings when playing and revenue dollars.  Lesser QB's dont get that call.  The league can spin it any way they want, but they clearly lose big bucks if the playoffs were led by the so called non star QB's.  

Wasn't the bad call last night on Carr and not Mahomes. 

[Jetpain]

4 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

Wasn't the bad call last night on Carr and not Mahomes. 

Yes...fixed    Thank you

[frankiepapa]

Roughing the QB should be subject to review. As far as PI penalties, they are so frequent now that after every incompletion I wait to see if a flag is thrown. WRs are so used to getting calls after virtually every incomplete pass they look at the official for a flag. 

Almost as often as Kyle Wilson would wave his arms after a wr dropped a ball that he was beaten on..

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[jgb]

Meh. It’s a fast paced game and the refs aren’t cyborgs.

[slimjasi]

4 minutes ago, jgb said:

Meh. It’s a fast paced game and the refs aren’t cyborgs.

Which is why everything should be reviewable. 

[CanadaSteve]

NFL is going to have to make a decision in the coming years.  Are you:

a) A gladiator type sport where you get paid well but risk severe injury

b) Not a)

If you are a), then if you put the helmet on, YOU run the risk of injury.

If you are NOT a), then you become the flag-football league.  This in-between crap is going to go nowhere.  You will lose millions of fans based on alleged team-bias....worse than you have now.

[PFSIKH]

1 hour ago, PS17 said:

My fear is that the NFL doesn’t realize they’re close to losing fans if they don’t fix the officials. They think their sh*t doesn’t stink as ratings are higher than ever, but they’re doing everything they can to make people furious and question the integrity of the games. And now back to our sponsor, Caesars Sportsbook! 

Are they?

Will some walk away?  Sure.  Will some talk a good game, but come back?  Yes.  The viewing numbers have recovered since Kapernick.   The general opinion of refs was bad long before that.  

I will not say the refs are bad.  I would say the game is too fast.  Referee a youth soccer game of 8-10 year olds.  Then imagine what it is like for four refs trying to cover 22 athletes at their athletic peak.  The Patriots had a bad roughing call this weekend.  The Patriot player barely touched Goff.  After seeing the replay, I understood why the call was made.  In real time it looked legit.  Mistake?  Maybe.

My only point is the game is teflon.  It might get dinged, but nothing sticks.  

[batman10023]

1 hour ago, 56mehl56 said:

I would change the rule to be PI's  between 5-25 yards , make them a 10 yd penalty. Anything beyond 25 yards split the yardage in half. So if its a PI 30 yds downfield award 15, if its 50 give 25 etc....  

too much math

[batman10023]

17 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

NFL is going to have to make a decision in the coming years.  Are you:

a) A gladiator type sport where you get paid well but risk severe injury

b) Not a)

If you are a), then if you put the helmet on, YOU run the risk of injury.

If you are NOT a), then you become the flag-football league.  This in-between crap is going to go nowhere.  You will lose millions of fans based on alleged team-bias....worse than you have now.

the world is ending due to the p*ss*fication of the league has been said for a decade now.

there seems to be very little decline in engagement and revenues have shot up a lot.

[AlexVanDyke]

Great stuff here.  I like the yardage idea for PI ie minimizing the penalty on longer throws .

On the roughing the passer stuff, it’s been building for years but if they call games like they did this weekend, I do believe fans will tune out.  Hopefully it’s an aberration.

[The Crusher]

29 minutes ago, jgb said:

Meh. It’s a fast paced game and the refs aren’t cyborgs.

Actually that strip sack piss poor roughing the passer call was slow as molasses. The defender strip the ball, took control of it, put his left arm down to lessen his body weight on the QB. Nothing fast about it. It was disgusting. 

[56mehl56]

5 minutes ago, batman10023 said:

too much math

But they have spotters and staff up in the Press Boxes to handle that , they just need to buzz down to the refs headset to tell them where to place the ball. 

[neckdemon]

2 hours ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

Part of me says nfl should use college pass interference rules. 15 yard penalty. But if your a cb and your about to give up a 50 yard pass you can just tackle the wr and give up 15 yards instead. So in conclusion I have no idea how to fix that. Lol

roughing the passer has become kind of ridiculous. If you tap a qb on the helmet it’s roughing the passer. Something has to be done there. It should be looked at as more unnecessary roughness. Something that’s over the top. Right now it’s too ticky tacky 

pass interference is too much of a game changing call. i say they make it so that any PI that will result in a penalty more than 15 yds should be auto reviewed in NY to make sure it's legit. also the roughing call from the brady sack was a joke

[Biggs]

Get rid of the refs and the rules.  Two teams walk in one team walks out.  

[munchmemory]

22 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Get rid of the refs and the rules.  Two teams walk in one team walks out.  

Yeah!!  And Shirts vs Skins.  No equipment.

[Biggs]

17 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

Yeah!!  And Shirts vs Skins.  No equipment.

Shoulder pads and helmets are weapons.  You get to choose one. 

[munchmemory]

5 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Shoulder pads and helmets are weapons.  You get to choose one. 

And the choice of one broad sword or ahlspiess.

[jgb]

1 hour ago, The Crusher said:

Actually that strip sack piss poor roughing the passer call was slow as molasses. The defender strip the ball, took control of it, put his left arm down to lessen his body weight on the QB. Nothing fast about it. It was disgusting. 

There are always going to be extreme examples but the NFL is probably the best-officiated sport on earth when you factor in the complexity and level of difficulty.

[jgb]

2 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Which is why everything should be reviewable. 

I can understand that view. Not my choice, though.

[AlexVanDyke]

3 minutes ago, jgb said:

There are always going to be extreme examples but the NFL is probably the best-officiated sport on earth when you factor in the complexity and level of difficulty.

Disagree with this.  Baseball and hockey are much more consistent.  Yes they may be easier but there are nowhere near game changing calls.  Basketball is probably also subjective and inconsistent but the difference is there are so many scores in a game that one or two bad calls hardly decode a game.  In football, it’s major