JetsAddict Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 I think it’s safe to put Zach on the list. My guess is top 3 will be Zach, Thomas, and Gholston. I would argue Darnold was more damaging to the franchise than Zach given the fact they gave up 3 second round picks to move up to get him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted January 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, JetsAddict said: I think it’s safe to put Zach on the list. My guess is top 3 will be Zach, Thomas, and Gholston. I would argue Darnold was more damaging to the franchise than Zach given the fact they gave up 3 second round picks to move up to get him. And I'd argue Wilson because of who was picked behind him, and what the Niners gave up to move to 3. Imagine where we could be right now if we had traded down and/or taken Ja'Marr Chase/Pitts/Sewell/whoever and rolled with a bridge vet like Minshew? This debate gets muddy because there's a difference between a bad bust and a bad pick. And all things being equal, how bad the pick was should be a bit of a tiebreaker if 2 busts were about equally bad. Lots of people will vote Gholston but its simply not correct. For one, there was nobody good taken behind Gholston. And given that we haven't had a pass rusher here since 2005, it was a worthwhile shot to take. Big time bust who falls somewhere in the top 5? Absolutely. A worse pick than Wilson, who was over-drafted AND dreadful AND when factoring in the opportunity cost had we gone another direction? Nah. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted January 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2023 Quite easily gholston. I would have added hackenburg to the list even if he was a 2nd rounder. Dee Milliner and DRob should not be on the list. Becton should be on the list. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Just now, Beerfish said: Quite easily gholston. No 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted January 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: No Yes. A pass rusher 6th overall that got 0 career sacks and lasted 3 years. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: Yes. A pass rusher 6th overall that got 0 career sacks and lasted 3 years. As opposed to a # 2 overall pick who was worse than Ryan Leaf? I'd like to know who the Jets should have taken at 6 instead. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Claymation Posted January 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2023 Why is Lageman on there? Because Mel Kiper didn't like the pick. He had 47 Sacks. 7 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 No Calvin Pryor. And Vernon is the correct answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Darren Lee and Johnny Lam Jones were both awful as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 I’m writing in Wilson…….Kyle Wilson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, section314 said: I’m writing in Wilson…….Kyle Wilson But is he Dee Milner or Calvin Pryor bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 lol Zach sucks but putting him 1st is complete recency bias Gholston didn't record a Sack as a pass rusher and could barely even get on the field... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, Claymation said: Why is Lageman on there? Because Mel Kiper didn't like the pick. He had 47 Sacks. Late man had a nice career with the jags. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Just now, Claymation said: But is he Dee Milner or Calvin Pryor bad? Worse. Milner was AFC rookie of month Dec. Pryor got us back DeMario Davis. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Wilson considering that he is a QB and was picked # 2 overall. Honorable mention to Blair Thomas based on the position he was drafted and what the expectations were. Gholston might be # 3, but many of us and many of the pundits knew he was a bust before he was drafted. Mangini who's regime had a hot hand drafting got knocked off balance with the Gholston pick. They were afraid of him going to NE and becoming a menace for the Jets in the years to come. That pick was a foolish defensive tactic motivated by fear and not sound reasoning. Safe to say that Wilson is the biggest bust in NY Jets draft history. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #27TheDominator Posted January 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2023 **** you. I will be at the Western Beef at 3 pm 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Right now, my top 3 would be Gholston, Darnold, and Wilson, in no particular order. Wilson is trending towards being number 1, but he's only entering year 3, so there is still a small (but nonzero) chance he rebounds. Gholston legit couldn't play and never recorded a single career sack - which is hard to fathom. Darnold was heralded as the best QB prospect in that draft, and remember, we traded 3 second round picks to move up and take him and passed on both Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, in the process. Right now, I'd vote: 1) Darnold, 2) Wilson, Gholston. I suspect that after next year, it will be: 1) Wilson, 2) Darnold, 3) Gholston. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Larz Posted January 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2023 It’s hard to beat the #2 pick being a healthy scratch in December during a playoff run. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, carlito1171 said: lol Zach sucks but putting him 1st is complete recency bias Gholston didn't record a Sack as a pass rusher and could barely even get on the field... No draft pick put the Jets behind as badly as the Wilson pick did. He single handedly destroyed two seasons and unless JD stops being stubborn trying to get his draft pick to work out, he will wreck the 2023 season as well. The Blair Thomas and Gholston picks did not bare fruit of any kind, but they were not season wreckers like Wilson. Many of us saw it coming. Wilson is a college sprint out QB that can play schoolyard ball, but he has ZERO NFL chops. Wilson is the clear # 1 bust in NY Jets history based on the position he was picked, the position he plays QB and the damage that the pick did and is still doing. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post y2k8 Posted January 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2023 I never really understood the Gholston hate. He was a bust, and it's a shame, but picks 4 thru 9 were all busts as well. The opportunity cost of VG does not warrant the "biggest bust of all time" label. Not even close... Consider Blair Thomas. He was picked at 2. Cortez Kennedy at 3. Junior Seau at 5. Emmit Smith at SEVENTEEN. The opportunity cost of a Blair Thomas is far more devastating than that of Vernon Gholston. Same with Kyle Brady. Serviceable pro but we passed on Warren friggin Sapp. These are franchise changing mistakes. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sciond Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Was VG... Totally outdone by ZW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 56 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Quite easily gholston. I would have added hackenburg to the list even if he was a 2nd rounder. Dee Milliner and DRob should not be on the list. Becton should be on the list. This time next year the #1 and #2 will be Zach and Becton Thank you Joe Douglas. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oatmeal Posted January 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2023 Zach Wilson and it’s not even close 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute ago, southparkcpa said: This time next year the #1 and #2 will be Zach and Becton Thank you Joe Douglas. “bUt He GoT uS sAuCe” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 51 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: As opposed to a # 2 overall pick who was worse than Ryan Leaf? I'd like to know who the Jets should have taken at 6 instead. DeSean Jackson or Duane Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post playtowinthegame Posted January 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2023 Zach Wilson in a landslide due to the opportunity cost of taking him instead of the 49ers trade package. OPPORTUNITY COST Dolphins trade 2021 1st round pick, 3rd overall (Trey Lance) to the 49ers for the following: 49ers 2021 1st round pick (12th overall, subsequently traded, Micah Parsons) 49ers 2022 1st round pick (29th overall, subsequently traded, Cole Strange) 49ers 2023 1st round pick 49ers 2022 2nd round pick (102nd overall, Channing Tindall) 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: Zach Wilson in a landslide due to the opportunity cost of taking him instead of the 49ers trade package. OPPORTUNITY COST Dolphins trade 2021 1st round pick, 3rd overall (Trey Lance) to the 49ers for the following: 49ers 2021 1st round pick (12th overall, subsequently traded, Micah Parsons) 49ers 2022 1st round pick (29th overall, subsequently traded, Cole Strange) 49ers 2023 1st round pick 49ers 2022 2nd round pick (102nd overall, Channing Tindall) This guy gets it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Put this survey out there one year from now and it's 100% Zach Wilson. Not NFL caliber. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JetsAddict Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: Quite easily gholston. I would have added hackenburg to the list even if he was a 2nd rounder. Dee Milliner and DRob should not be on the list. Becton should be on the list. Becton had a great rookie year and is still on the team. Unlike Zach Mekhi actually showed he could play in the league so there is hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsAddict Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, southparkcpa said: This time next year the #1 and #2 will be Zach and Becton Thank you Joe Douglas. How could Becton possibly be worse than Gholston? Becton would be more like a Milliner type bust IMO. He actually was good as a rookie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 3 hours ago, JetsAddict said: I think it’s safe to put Zach on the list. My guess is top 3 will be Zach, Thomas, and Gholston. I would argue Darnold was more damaging to the franchise than Zach given the fact they gave up 3 second round picks to move up to get him. I ranked Gholston as the #1 draft bust of all time. Why do you say? Because this was a football player who couldn't play football. He never got a sack, and quite frankly, I don't know if he ever got credited for a single tackle in his entire career. We picked him at #6 overall, and if we had picked him with the last pick of the 7th round of the entire draft, we would still be scratching our heads as to what prompted the NY Jets to draft him at all, in any round! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsAddict Posted January 21, 2023 Author Share Posted January 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Alka said: I ranked Gholston as the #1 draft bust of all time. Why do you say? Because this was a football player who couldn't play football. He never got a sack, and quite frankly, I don't know if he ever got credited for a single tackle in his entire career. We picked him at #6 overall, and if we had picked him with the last pick of the 7th round of the entire draft, we would still be scratching our heads as to what prompted the NY Jets to draft him at all, in any round! This is true. At least Zach did some good things. Gholston didn’t contribute to the team at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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