Jets Negotiating With Lazard [Signed 4 years $44M]

[Ron Rico]

Just now, Smashmouth said:

 

If we  get lazard its no doubt to replace Corey Davis. Not sure why you guys are talking Moore 

I conflated two separate things as a result of reading the "Browns interested in Elijah Moore" thread.

It's too late to turn back, now.

[CanadaSteve]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Still need speed and shiftiness, and that would be a mostly slower (for the most part) WR/TE group.  

Lizard still has some speed.  I don't think we could trade Moore anyway because of cap ramifications.  Now Corey Davis on the other hand.....

[jetsons]

43 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

It damn well better be. It just pray it does not turn into the '92 Mets.

or '22  

[CrazyCarl40]

1 hour ago, Ron Rico said:

Lazard > Moore

Moore had better stats than Lazard in 2021. And he’s had much worse QBs throwing him the ball. Lazard would replace Corey Davis, who is not good. 

[GreenFish]

One of the benefits of a Wilson/Davis/Lazard group is that all 3 guys can play all WR position. Lazard and Davis can also play the slot and the outside. But Wilson in the slot….Lord help those that try to stop him. We have options.

[Jetsfan4life90]

1 minute ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Moore had better stats than Lazard in 2021. And he’s had much worse QBs throwing him the ball. Lazard would replace Corey Davis, who is not good. 

Davis is a decent WR whose main issue is staying healthy. That said, I'd be fine replacing him with Lazard.

[jetsons]

1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I'm fine with him replacing Davis. Would be sad if it were Moore. I think Moore would break out with Rodgers throwing it.

Yeah, because Garrett Wilson couldn't either.

[Bobby816]

Lazard isn't a #1. But GW can be. Moore in the slot and Lazard as that big body for the RZ, quick hitters and even for blocking.

788yds and 6tds is good stats. 

[Scott Dierking]

2 minutes ago, jetsons said:

or '22  

There were no Mets spraying bleach at reporters, nor throwing explosives at fans, so I will list the '22 Mets far down the list of Met catastraphies. 

[Barry McCockinner]

2 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

One of the benefits of a Wilson/Davis/Lazard group is that all 3 guys can play all WR position. Lazard and Davis can also play the slot and the outside. But Wilson in the slot….Lord help those that try to stop him. We have options.

Is that you LaFleur?

[Warfish]

4 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

Lizard still has some speed.  I don't think we could trade Moore anyway because of cap ramifications.  Now Corey Davis on the other hand.....

That feels like the most likely move, aye.

[CrazyCarl40]

1 hour ago, LockeJET said:

You’d think somewhere in that range, but what Jacksonville paid Kirk last year could screw up the market. 

Kirk got top 20 money and had a top 15 year. How would his deal screw up the market?

[Barry McCockinner]

Just now, jetsons said:

Yeah, because Garrett Wilson couldn't either.

GW is going to have 5000 yards receiving with Rodgers here.

[Scott Dierking]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan4life90 said:

Davis is a decent WR whose main issue is staying healthy. That said, I'd be fine replacing him with Lazard.

Well, that and the issue of his hands not being gluey. 

[jetsons]

2 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

There were no Mets spraying bleach at reporters, nor throwing explosives at fans, so I will list the '22 Mets far down the list of Met catastraphies. 

yeah, but they were supposed to win all last year. 

[mrcoops]

Jacobi Myers just signed for 3 years, $33M with the Raiders. That should help establish the Lazard price tag.

[BigRy56]

Lazard is a good player but he’s not a huge difference maker. He is an upgrade over Davis though and he’s younger. This would be a good move and likely one of the things that was meant by ‘package deals’

[derp]

27 minutes ago, choon328 said:

Thielan isn't slow

Dude’s 32, ran a 4.5 10 years ago, and has been averaging under 11YPC the last couple years. He’s certainly not stretching the field.

[Scott Dierking]

1 minute ago, jetsons said:

yeah but they were supposed to win all last year. 

If they were in fact considered "favorites" (they were not, the Dodgers were), baseball playoffs is a fickle exercise. Especially a 3 game series.

All that said, they blew a division lead which would have given them a much better shot in the playoff, and that was very LOL Mets.

I think we can now leave the Mets out of this and not spread that contagion to this football team.

 

[ptisme]

1 hour ago, Tranquilo said:

It’s alright. Lazard isn’t great. He’s ok

Correct.  But what Lazard does well is block on the running game which you need in this offense.   Rodgers also trusts him to be where he’s supposed to be.   Also a great locker room guy.    What he isn’t is someone who will blow the top off a defense

[CrazyCarl40]

4 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

Jacobi Myers just signed for 3 years, $33M with the Raiders. That should help establish the Lazard price tag.

Meyers is better than Lazard so Lazard should be like 3/27 going by those numbers. 

[dbatesman]

14 minutes ago, Ron Rico said:

I hear ya, but I can't convince myself that the fallout from doing that would be any worse than the sh*t show we've experienced over (at least) the last 12 seasons.

High reward comes with high risk. I have no illusion that Rodgers will be here beyond next season, and I'm good with that. 

I want a chance to see the Jets go to the SB, and Rodgers gives me hope. I really don't care about 2024 or beyond that. Let the dead bury the dead.

 

Fair enough

[GreenFish]

5 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Is that you LaFleur?

lol. You caught me. Didnt think it was that obvious.

[Stark]

1 hour ago, johnnyjet said:

I think Davis is getting traded to Green Bay in the Aaron deal. 

 

1 hour ago, Ron Rico said:

From your lips to God's ears.

[derp]

14 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

He also signed Nate Herbig, which shouldn't be overlooked.  This is why signing free agents is such a risk.  Tomlinson was a VERY solid player in San Fran.  Then, he comes to the Jets and stinks?  Perhaps he was as solid as he was because he played beside Trent Williams.  Who knows, but it lets hope he turns around.  Otherwise, LOTS of money wasted.  Again, this is why drafting well consistently and finding lunch-box free agents types every year seems to be the way to go.  

Totally agree with the last sentence in particular. Fill gaps with solid mid-market players, but the draft is where it’s at for playing acquisitions with.

To me the biggest flag for Douglas is that he had a rep for being an OL guy but almost all of his acquisitions have been expensive FA’s and high draft picks and it’s not like he has a tremendous hit rate. Part of that comes from the philosophy of building depth with cheap replacement level free agents instead of mid-late round picks who could develop into cheap starters. And he’s traded away a lot of the picks he could’ve used to acquire those developmental guys. Just doesn’t seem like sustainable practice there and it should be pretty simple to do well.

[GreenFish]

6 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

Jacobi Myers just signed for 3 years, $33M with the Raiders. That should help establish the Lazard price tag.

The Raiders of all teams setting a good market for WRs. That’s a good deal for the Raiders. Should expedite the WR signings.

[dbatesman]

20 minutes ago, Pac said:

A little melodramatic, no?   Replacing an oft injured underperforming WR with a solid if not spectacular vet familiar with the offense is hardly letting Rodgers commandeer the front office.  

Isn't Lazard supposed to be top option in this admittedly underwhelming FA WR class? 

 

I wouldn't put Lazard at the top of this WR class, though I think he's fine. But again, that's incidental; you're assuming we'd be signing Lazard if our QB was Carr (or Wilson, or whoever). Possible, I guess, but I dunno.

[Jimmy 2 Times]

This would most likely be a Davis replacement. 

[PepPep]

This sounds 100% like an Aaron Rodgers 'request', dare I say demand. LMFAO. And guess what. I'm fine with it. He's a FA and won't cost us draft capital. We needed another weapon at the WR position anyway. And while I, as a fan, want Moore to do well and the Jets to unlock his potential. I would totally understand if the Jets decided to trade him and draft a slot receiver because they soured on his attitude/effort/fit. 

[dbatesman]

17 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Recruiting one of your new QB's favorite targets isn't exactly handing him the keys.

Why wouldn't you want your QB to have players around him that he works well with?  This seems like something that should be done more often.

Trusting an all-time great to make these types of decisions is quite reasonable.  In fact it would be unreasonable not to.

 

This isn't the Bengals asking Burrow if they should draft Chase or Sewell. I absolutely don't think it's reasonable for these decisions to be made in full or in part by a one-year rental. In this case, the player happens to be pretty good, so it's fine in the particulars if not in principle...unless, of course, Rodgers makes a Lazard acquisition a condition of agreeing to the trade, and Douglas is so cucked by him that he gives Lazard $40mm guaranteed. I guess we'll see.

[RedBeardedSavage]

Prefer Lazard to Cobb for obvious reasons, and prefer Lazard to Corey Davis only because I just looked up Lazard played in 15 games both of the last two years - I'll take it!

[peekskill68]

19 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Recruiting one of your new QB's favorite targets isn't exactly handing him the keys.

Why wouldn't you want your QB to have players around him that he works well with?  This seems like something that should be done more often.

Trusting an all-time great to make these types of decisions is quite reasonable.  In fact it would be unreasonable not to.

+100  Do people believe Brady had no say in bringing in Gronk to Tampa??

[FactsOnly]

Great move 

replace that can JAG Corey Davis 

a big possession red zone receiver to pair with GW

Douglas continues to make a case for yearly GM of the year

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, Doggin94it said:

If you can get him for roughly Davis's price, it's a no-brainer move

Yeah depends what $ they're discussing, but if it's even in that Davis ballpark it's a good fit as it helps balance out the WR corps by finding what it's missing: a big target who can go deep but also play an actual role in blocking when needed. They don't need another 5'10"-6'0" 180-190-lb WR, and Davis - while a good fit on paper - has been just too unreliable.

Only adds to it the more obvious points of his history with both the incoming QB and OC. 

Even if he's a couple million more than Davis he's still easier to fit in that (a) they'll backload it instead of an 8-figure base salary coming up, and (b) the cap is - and will be - higher than the day they inked Davis.

I'd rather not see him in the $14MM+ range but it just means they have to be more careful about their depth signings. Swap out depth signings like Dan Feeney & Jake Martin for $1MM instead of $3MM players and the team doesn't miss a beat, while clearing the disparity between spending $10MM vs. $14MM on a starter.

[RedBeardedSavage]

1 minute ago, peekskill68 said:

+100  Do people believe Brady had no say in bringing in Gronk to Tampa??

To be fair that was a one-year-deal sorta thing.

I think Lazard is an upgrade over Davis simply because of health, but I understand the trepidation of "why are we signing this dude to a multiyear deal at the behest of the quarterback who is only committed for one?"

Then again, I think they're mostly just looking for reasons to hate at this point.