Russini and Rosenblatt: 2023 Jets a dysfunctional mess; Saleh paranoid, Hackett lazy, Zach a tittybaby

[doitny]

ok lets see what we have here...

The Athletic spoke to 30 sources in and around the organization, some of whom were granted anonymity to speak freely about the inner workings of the team without reprisal

who gave them permission to talk to the Athletic without getting in trouble?

Nathaniel Hackett, failed to adjust after losing his quarterback and didn’t put them in positions to succeed.

we knew this. 

Fifteen years later, when Rodgers became available, Johnson was starstruck — again.

To woo the four-time All-Pro, the owner approved the hiring of Hackett.

again we knew this.

Rodgers isn’t the assistant GM,” one AFC general manager said. “Joe Douglas is the assistant GM.”

surprised?? not me.

Over the summer, Rodgers collaborated with Hackett to construct the offense — Saleh, as usual, was hands-off on that side of the ball.

That’s what Aaron wants” was a common refrain from Hackett as he told coaches what plays he wanted to run during camp.

i wont even put up the Hackett stuff because we all know he sucks. 

the Giants don’t get as much negative coverage as the Jets,

true

Publicly, Saleh avoided criticizing Zach Wilson or even acknowledging his struggles. Privately, the coach pinned many of the team’s offensive issues on Wilson, the line and the receivers and told people getting to eight wins with Wilson at quarterback would be a “miracle.”

ok

He wanted to see how teams led by the NFL’s best coaches performed when playing without their star quarterback. He found that Bill Belichick, Mike McCarthy, John Harbaugh, Zac Taylor, Mike McDaniel, Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay all had losing records in those situations — and that Mike Tomlin was the lone exception.

they got that from Joe Benignos radio show.

sorry but i dont see any smoking guns here. in fact they could have got all this info right here on JN. 

 

 

[T0mShane]

It’s been almost a full day, every news service has people down at the Senior Bowl where Ulbrich is coaching, and we haven’t seen one (1) attempt to push back against this story. 

[TuscanyTile2]

 

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

I respect Mogglez, but keep in mind that he gets all of his info from Lisa Wilson’s invite-only Doula support group page on Tumblr. 

Ok, too far.

[maury77]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Whoah! What's wrong with The Grateful Dead?! 

I saw them in concert with Dylan opening for them in 95. Don’t remember due to something I was given in the parking lot.

[maury77]

2 hours ago, JustInFudge said:

He's a great guy and a valued poster, a big part of our community.  I consider him, my friend.

 

What the hell do you expect me to do now with the tickets I sold to the fight you guys were supposed to have in a parking lot? I feel like the guy from the Fyre Festival now.

[kevinc855]

Rodgers and the Jets are learning the hard way you never win when you fight with the media......sorry but the media will always win

 

[rex-n-effect]

54 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Didn’t Saleh read that list at a presser this year? Wild in retrospect, especially considering they were still trying to pretend Zach was good.

Benigno went on Tiki's show and said he got a text from Saleh mid-year listing all those coaches and then named several out of the text. It's one thing to think Benigno was making up texts from Saleh but another to think Benigno spent time researching a made up text. I don't think Saleh ever denied sending those texts.

[greasyt]

23 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Rodgers and the Jets are learning the hard way you never win when you fight with the media......sorry but the media will always win

 

This rang true for me when Pennington had lectured the media on how it should be about accurate journalism and not about selling papers. The next day the back pages led with "Chaddup!!!" and "Noodle-armed doofus needs a beat down"......or something like that

[EM31]

2 hours ago, Hex said:

He almost certainly posts here. If I had to put my money on somebody, probably @Joe W. Namath. The amount of times he referenced "Best owner in the league" was a little fishy if you ask me.

I confess it freely.  I am not him.

I wonder is management knows who it might be.....

We could have a reality tv show based on hunting him down.

[Hex]

1 hour ago, The Crusher said:

That would be killer. I could be the guy who  banned Woody Johnson. 

Oh yea, I forgot that happened. I was about to ask what happened to him.  Hilarious

[Larz]

6 hours ago, football guy said:

I've read the article. They went out of their way to paint Robert Saleh, Aaron Rodgers, and Nathanial Hackett in a negative light. The same people who attacked them after they wrote the fabricated Zach Wilson/Aaron Rodgers story. They added a lot of unnecessary fluff to make the team appear much more dysfunctional than it actually is, they doubled down on previous reporting that is flatly not true, and essentially used the article as an opportunity to try and drive a wedge within the building and in the locker room. 

I'd say 70% of the article is true and obvious- its a collection of confirmation on other reports and words that have come straight from Saleh and other players/coaches in press conference availability. 15% are total exaggerations/character assassinations. 15% flat out false  

Do they deserve a positive light ? 

[jetswinbaby!]

6 hours ago, football guy said:

They went out of their way to paint Robert Saleh, Aaron Rodgers, and Nathanial Hackett in a negative light.   

With the Jets, there is no other light...

[Integrity28]

4 hours ago, Pac said:

The article is Bravo channelesque tripe that has no bearing on the situation.

Saleh and JD are entering a lame duck make or break year.  If they lose again, everyone is getting fired.  If they win, which is my expectation, they will be shoving receipts up a whole bunch of asses.

While I find the article frivolous, I'm happy it came out.  I'm going to be glued to the TV for every minute of the ARod Revenge Tour en route to his 5th MVP.  He's going to leave the haters no choice but to curtsy to his greatness.

Mmmm, okay.

[Dunnie]

The league is perfectly fine with the Jets sucking. They are a money train either way. Allows more room for teams that require winning to sell tickets.

Agreed ... At this point ... The Jets are the George of Seinfeld, he was an incompetent lovable idiot that made that show billions.

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[Mogglez]

Surely Dianna Russini and Zack Rosenblatt would neverrrrrrr do that riiiight?  A mostly fabricated/twisted hit piece just always drops on the day that one of the guys who embarrassed you, called you liars twice (you are), and discredited you (again, twice) is celebrating their 45th birthday.

That’s just the NFL.

[Bugg]

6 hours ago, football guy said:

They'll probably get 4th-5th round value for him 

There's no way. Wilson has no value. Even if a team inexplicably likes him, he'll be on the street for nothing sometime soon. Unless some GM who owes Douglas a favor gives him a 7th out of pity. That's it.

This was a bad pick the day it happened. It's aged like garbage juice on an August day. 

[Mogglez]

4 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Are you saying everything that's in that story is BS?  Or just the stuff you pointed out in paragraph 2?

The story is, mostly, twisted, exaggerated, and yes, straight up fabricated:

Again - I dislike this regime.  Them getting the boot would have been fine with me.

I dislike sneaky rat reporting even more.

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Surely Dianna Russini and Zack Rosenblatt would neverrrrrrr do that riiiight?  A mostly fabricated/twisted hit piece just always drops on the day that one of the guys who embarrassed you, called you liars twice (you are), and discredited you (again, twice) is celebrating their 45th birthday.

That’s just the NFL.

I don’t think it helps Saleh’s case to have Josina Anderson tweet that many feelings in the building are hurt because it spoiled Saleh’s birthday cake. 

[Mogglez]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I don’t think it helps Saleh’s case to have Josina Anderson tweet that many feelings in the building are hurt because it spoiled Saleh’s birthday cake. 

It’s a not-so-thinly veiled threat they’ll turn Rosenblatt into the next Manish Mehta faster than Saleh can run a set of stadium stairs, but the Jets haven’t wished Robert Saleh a happy birthday yet, parted ways with Rex Hogan, and so I fully expect Saleh to be fired by 7:30AM because Woody Johnson decided to finally check his overflowing box of X DMs.

[TuscanyTile2]

9 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

The story is, mostly, twisted, exaggerated, and yes, straight up fabricated:

Again - I dislike this regime.  Them getting the boot would have been fine with me.

I dislike sneaky rat reporting even more.

I guess you're Bla Bla Bla's inside source then?   

I appreciate your insight btw.

[TuscanyTile2]

38 minutes ago, Bugg said:

There's no way. Wilson has no value. Even if a team inexplicably likes him, he'll be on the street for nothing sometime soon. Unless some GM who owes Douglas a favor gives him a 7th out of pity. That's it.

This was a bad pick the day it happened. It's aged like garbage juice on an August day. 

The reason I think ZW will have trade value is that multiple teams will want him and will end up bidding against each other.  While people on here think ZW stinks, I'm sure NFL GMs and talent evaluators still see the things that got him drafted #2 overall.  Plus they all know that the Jets are a sh-t organization with a terrible OL, only 1 NFL caliber WR and an embarrassingly bad HC/OC.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

It’s a not-so-thinly veiled threat they’ll turn Rosenblatt into the next Manish Mehta faster than Saleh can run a set of stadium stairs, but the Jets haven’t wished Robert Saleh a happy birthday yet, parted ways with Rex Hogan, and so I fully expect Saleh to be fired by 7:30AM because Woody Johnson decided to finally check his overflowing box of X DMs.

I listened to part of Rosenblatt’s podcast tonight and the recurring themes were 1. They’ve been compiling this information for months and 2. They had to wait a few weeks after the season to release it because everything had to be vetted. He went on to say they had a pile of other sh*t they could have added, but it didn’t have enough corroboration to take to press. I’m sure a lot of what they compiled was from frustrated assistants and players, so there’s clear bias, but nothing in it is so salacious as to seem untrustworthy on its face. Zach stinks, the coach resents him, Rodgers is parachuting in every Thursday to wave his magic wand, Hackett got overwhelmed, and Woody is a menace. All seems to check out. 

[TuscanyTile2]

The one thing that hasn't been discussed is that The Athletic is probably constantly desperate for subscriptions, which increases the likelihood that they'd sensationalize/fabricate stories.

That said, I still think Saleh stinks.

[Green Ghost]

1 hour ago, Mogglez said:

Surely Dianna Russini and Zack Rosenblatt would neverrrrrrr do that riiiight?  A mostly fabricated/twisted hit piece just always drops on the day that one of the guys who embarrassed you, called you liars twice (you are), and discredited you (again, twice) is celebrating their 45th birthday.

That’s just the NFL.

Moggz, you know I like you, and if you want to play insider on a message board? Fine. Go for it, but I’m going to be honest here.
I want to gag when you post things like “I vetted this with my guy(s) in the building…” and I roll my eyes when you say “this article mostly fabricated/twisted hit piece” as if nothing in the article is true, and Russini and Rosenblatt are complete liars and hacks.

Maybe tone this sh*t down a bit? You’re a good poster. You don’t have to act like you’re the second coming of Adam Schefter or John Clayton.

[PS17]

5 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

That's an impressive feat considering our recent batch of HCs.  I might be with you on this, btw.

Move over, Adam Gase!

I think Gase is actually my favorite of the last three. Which is a pretty impressive feat by the Jets, because I despise Gase.

1. Gase 

2a. Bowles 

4. Snake oil Saleh

[Rhg1084]

 

 

[Green Ghost]

3 hours ago, The Crusher said:

That would be killer. I could be the guy who  banned Woody Johnson. 

It gets boring this time of year, and he makes me laugh.
Bring back @Joe W. Namath and I’ll see to it you won’t have to pay for a single veal chop at Umberto’s this Summer!

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

LMAO

Publicly, Saleh avoided criticizing Zach Wilson or even acknowledging his struggles. Privately, the coach pinned many of the team’s offensive issues on Wilson, the line and the receivers and told people getting to eight wins with Wilson at quarterback would be a “miracle.”

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

LMAO

Publicly, Saleh avoided criticizing Zach Wilson or even acknowledging his struggles. Privately, the coach pinned many of the team’s offensive issues on Wilson, the line and the receivers and told people getting to eight wins with Wilson at quarterback would be a “miracle.”

Hey, why would the morale be low? Perhaps this chart can explain:

 

[Beerfish]

8 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

LMAO

Publicly, Saleh avoided criticizing Zach Wilson or even acknowledging his struggles. Privately, the coach pinned many of the team’s offensive issues on Wilson, the line and the receivers and told people getting to eight wins with Wilson at quarterback would be a “miracle.”

Robert Saleh told the young QB, “This organization is going to lift you, not the other way around.”

If Saleh is and was that down on Zach Wilson he needs to not blame the terrible player but blame the guy who gave him that player and retained that player and who had no back up plan.  That being Joe Douglas.

[SR24]

This is pathetic, hilarious and probably true but nothings going to change so what’s the point 

[Mogglez]

10 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

Moggz, you know I like you, and if you want to play insider on a message board? Fine. Go for it, but I’m going to be honest here.
I want to gag when you post things like “I vetted this with my guy(s) in the building…” and I roll my eyes when you say “this article mostly fabricated/twisted hit piece” as if nothing in the article is true, and Russini and Rosenblatt are complete liars and hacks.

Maybe tone this sh*t down a bit? You’re a good poster. You don’t have to act like you’re the second coming of Adam Schefter or John Clayton.

Excuse me?  Play insider?  Act like I’m the second coming of John Clayton or Adam Schefter?  What in the world got under your skin?

You want to gag and roll your eyes because I vetted and shared something that goes against your belief that every single miserable thing about the Jets that comes out in the media must be true?  Reporters have never skewed something to an extreme or fabricated a story?

Got it.  

See, this the stuff I can’t stand and irritates the ever-living f*ck out of me.  I have EXPLICITLY said 1,000 times that I don’t share things to make a career out of it.  I share it because I happen to have gotten extremely lucky to have access to things behind the scenes, have been posting amongst the people on this forum since 2007, so I know those people/this community would appreciate hearing something from inside the building every now and then.  For the last time: I don’t have a career in football, the media, or anything of that ilk, nor do I want one.  Ever.

But hey, I’ll do you a solid since you “like me.” (you certainly have an odd way of showing it.)  I’ll tone it down.  Entirely.  I’m not doing this song and dance every single time I share something.  It’s absolutely exhausting having to defend myself when I try to share tidbits.  I’ve been down this road before.  Typically, I would just respond to DMs only, blow off steam, get fascinated when I get a text with something new, and go back to sharing on the main board, but this response really did a great job of pissing me off because it was a back-handed slap across the face from someone I never expected it to come from so, for the foreseeable future, I’m just going to keep it to myself.  I come here to have fun and talk football.  I used to think that passing along what I hear makes doing so more enjoyable and sparks far better on-topic conversation(s), but all it seems to do nowadays is interfere with the enjoyment of it all when someone gets sour grapes over something I said.  Too many disagreements end with people coming at my throat with accusations that I’m trying to be something that I’m not, nor is it anything that I want to be, so I’m done.  Rest assured, you won’t have to “gag” or “roll your eyes” anymore.

Now all I ask is that you do me a solid: put me on ignore and don’t respond to any more of my posts because I’ll be doing the same for you.

[Fantasy Island]

No libel or defamation suit will ever be filed.  It’s true move on.

[Maxman]

8 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Excuse me?  Play insider?  Act like I’m the second coming of John Clayton or Adam Schefter?  What in the world got under your skin?

You want to gag and roll your eyes when I share something that I tried to vet because you choose to believe every miserable thing about the Jets that comes out in the media to be true?

Got it.  

See this the stuff I can’t stand and irritates the ever living f*ck out of me.  I have EXPLICITLY said 1,000 times that I don’t share things to make a career out of it.  I share it because I happen to have gotten extremely lucky to have access to things behind the scenes and have been posting amongst the people on this forum since 2007, so I know those people would appreciate to hear something from inside the building every now and then.  For the last time: I don’t have a career in football, the media, or anything of that ilk, nor do I want one.  Ever.

But hey, I’ll do you a solid since you “like me.” (you certainly have an odd way of showing it.)  I’ll tone it down.  Entirely.  I’m not doing this song and dance every single time I share something.  It’s absolutely exhausting having to defend myself when I try to share a tidbit.  I’ve been here before, but this response actually did a really great job of pissing me off.  Rest assured, you won’t have to “gag” or “roll your eyes” anymore.  I’ll keep it to myself.

Now I ask that you do me a solid: put me on ignore and don’t respond to any of my posts because I’ll be doing the same for you.

Do me a favor, don't turn it down. Two reasons:
 

1. Because you are not over the top with anything, you have legit info.

2. Also, because I had to ban Football Guy today after his tirade.

I am kidding on # 2, I did ban him but that has nothing to do with you. You have always handled things very well and so many of us appreciate your posts. I know what you do for a living, so you definitely aren't looking to make this a career. I also know that I tried to get you to blog for us and you turned me down so there is even more validation LOL!!!

Thanks man.