The 40 Yard Dash is BS - Stop buying the hype

[Jdeet]

Prior to this season, here are the top 40 yard dash runners in NFL history. I see 1 good WR. DK Metcalf and maybe Brandin Cooks, to some extent. That's it. 

John Ross (2017) — 4.22 seconds
Henry Ruggs III (2020) — 4.27
Marquise Goodwin (2013) — 4.27
Tyquan Thornton (2022) — 4.28
J.J. Nelson (2015) — 4.28
Jacoby Ford (2010) — 4.28
Darrius Heyward-Bey (2009) — 4.30
Velus Jones Jr. (2022) — 4.31
Parris Campbell (2019) — 4.31
Andy Isabella (2019) — 4.31
Curtis Samuel (2017) — 4.31
Calvin Austin III (2022) — 4.32
Will Fuller (2016) — 4.32
Trey Palmer (2023) — 4.33
Danny Gray (2022) — 4.33
Mecole Hardman (2019) — 4.33
DK Metcalf (2019) — 4.33
Phillip Dorsett (2015) — 4.33
Brandin Cooks (2014) — 4.33
Mike Wallace (2009) — 4.33
Bo Melton (2022) — 4.34
DJ Chark (2018) — 4.34
John Brown (2014) — 4.34
Tavon Austin (2013) — 4.34
Ryan Swope (2013) — 4.34

[AFJF]

Who is this directed at?

[New York Mick]

1 good player and 2 solid 3rd WR. And most people already know this. 

[32EBoozer]

1 hour ago, New York Mick said:

1 good player and 2 solid 3rd WR. And most people already know this. 

DK, at his size, posting that time amazes me. He’s Calvin Johnsonesque

[bealeb319]

How many of the guys at the lower end of the 40 yard dash had a long successful NFL career?

[JETSxWRATH™]

[Jethead]

6 hours ago, bealeb319 said:

How many of the guys at the lower end of the 40 yard dash had a long successful NFL career?

Jerry Rice comes to mind.

[Dunnie]

How many of the guys at the lower end of the 40 yard dash had a long successful NFL career?

Jerry Rice 4.45 (4.7)
Sterling Sharpe 4.44
Devante Adams 4.56
Wayne Chrebet 4.53
Lynn Swann 4.5
Dez Bryant 4.52
Al Toon 4.65
Antonio Brown 4.56
Cooper Kupp 4.62
Chris Carter 4.63
Larry Fitzgerald 4.63
Terell Owens 4.45
Steve Largent 4.70
Mike Evans 4.53
Brandon Marshall 4.52
Hinez Ward 4.55
Brandon Lloyd 4.65
Kennan Allen 4.7
Chad Johnson 4.57
DeAndre Hopkins 4.57
Jarvis Landry 4.77
Allen Robinson 4.6
Laveranues Coles 4.48
CeeDee Lamb 4.5
Kelvin Benjamin 4.61
Anquan Boldin 4.71
Deebo Samuel 4.48
Brandon Aiyuk 4.5
Reggie Wayne 4.5
Plaxico Burress 4.59

Elijah Moore 4.35

Bo Jackson 4.13 (230lbs)







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[The Crusher]

3 hours ago, AFJF said:

Who is this directed at?

The hype buyers. Those guys. 

[Jetkwondo]

So, just like in basketball, having 7 foot plus height guarantee's you nothing in ever playing in the NBA.

The essence of what makes exceptional individuals rise above is often immeasurable but usually involves at a basic level natural physical traits, and a unique focused internal drive, which this thread illustrates. 

You'll often hear what many of those individuals attribute to their success... 

[MR.GANGGREEN28]

Al Davis is long dead, my friend

[JetsFlyer]

the 4.5 mark seems to be the sweet spot  not many short 4.7 guys on the list .  

give me 3 cone and SS numbers  also

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

Jerry Rice 4.45 (4.7)
Sterling Sharpe 4.44
Devante Adams 4.56
Wayne Chrebet 4.53
Lynn Swann 4.5
Dez Bryant 4.52
Al Toon 4.65
Antonio Brown 4.56
Cooper Kupp 4.62
Chris Carter 4.63
Larry Fitzgerald 4.63
Terell Owens 4.45
Steve Largent 4.70
Mike Evans 4.53
Brandon Marshall 4.52
Hinez Ward 4.55
Brandon Lloyd 4.65
Kennan Allen 4.7
Chad Johnson 4.57
DeAndre Hopkins 4.57
Jarvis Landry 4.77
Allen Robinson 4.6
Laveranues Coles 4.48
CeeDee Lamb 4.5
Kelvin Benjamin 4.61
Anquan Boldin 4.71
Deebo Samuel 4.48
Brandon Aiyuk 4.5
Reggie Wayne 4.5
Plaxico Burress 4.59

Elijah Moore 4.35

Bo Jackson 4.13 (230lbs)







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How did you pull that list so fast?!  Lol

Let’s try another one, how many guys with green eyes with a shuttle time in the 4s have played  in the PAC 10?  Go..,

[extmenace]

Will fuller would have been a very good football player if injuries didn’t derail his career but yea, speed isn’t everything. DK, cooks, and Wallace are really the only guys on this list to have had / are having productive careers.

[Dunnie]

How did you pull that list so fast?!  Lol
Let’s try another one, how many guys with green eyes with a shuttle time in the 4s have played  in the PAC 10?  Go..,

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[PS17]

I hate fast receivers!!!

[Claymation]

Calvin Johnson ran a 4.35 40. Just saying.

[Rich Thornburgh]

3 minutes ago, Claymation said:

Calvin Johnson ran a 4.35 40. Just saying.

The trick is drafting WRs who can’t break a 5.0 40

[Claymation]

3 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

The trick is drafting WRs who can’t break a 5.0 40

So OL then

[nycdan]

Well when you leave off Tyreek Hill (4.29) it makes me wonder what else is missing.

 

 

[Mr. Rogers]

I'll volunteer to state the obvious. Combine measureables are about the least important part of the pre-draft process. I think most (good) GMs would say the combine interviews and just getting a closer look at guys are more important than the actual measurables. In pads, on the field, the difference between a guy who ran 4.35 and 4.42 can be negligible. This is especially true in the new GPS data era.

At most, maybe the combine measureables can help you distinguish between two guys who are really close in your evaluations. If you're using 40 speed, jumps, cones or anything else as more important data than what's on film, you're a goon. All these guys are phenomenal athletes or they wouldn't be where they're at. 

Edit: maybe you care about the hand size, arm length and weight measurements for certain positions, but those are things you can get a feel for on film too 

[RedBeardedSavage]

"High character" is bs, don't buy the hype

- Ray Lewis, Tyreek Hill, The-Glove-Don't-Fit-You-Must-Acquit, Lawrence Taylor

[Warfish]

Agility + Great Hands > Straight-line Speed over 40 yards

As long as your speed is reasonable, but your agility and hands great, you'll be fine.

No question some GM's fall in love with "measurables" and "workout warriors".

But really the combine numbers are really more about excluding truly bad scorers, or demonstrating that already elite prospects have other elite talents, than it is about just drafting "the fastest" or "the strongest" guy.

[Obrien2Toon]

Coleman will have a better career than Nabers 

[nycdan]

9 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Agility + Great Hands > Straight-line Speed over 40 years

As long as your speed is reasonable, but your agility and hands great, you'll be fine.

No question some GM's fall in love with "measurables" and "workout warriors".

But really the combine numbers are really more about excluding truly bad scorers, or demonstrating that already elite prospects have other elite talents, than it is about just drafting "the fastest" or "the strongest" guy.

I'd say we are all on that train.

[Alka]

7 hours ago, Jdeet said:

Prior to this season, here are the top 40 yard dash runners in NFL history. I see 1 good WR. DK Metcalf and maybe Brandin Cooks, to some extent. That's it. 

John Ross (2017) — 4.22 seconds
Henry Ruggs III (2020) — 4.27
Marquise Goodwin (2013) — 4.27
Tyquan Thornton (2022) — 4.28
J.J. Nelson (2015) — 4.28
Jacoby Ford (2010) — 4.28
Darrius Heyward-Bey (2009) — 4.30
Velus Jones Jr. (2022) — 4.31
Parris Campbell (2019) — 4.31
Andy Isabella (2019) — 4.31
Curtis Samuel (2017) — 4.31
Calvin Austin III (2022) — 4.32
Will Fuller (2016) — 4.32
Trey Palmer (2023) — 4.33
Danny Gray (2022) — 4.33
Mecole Hardman (2019) — 4.33
DK Metcalf (2019) — 4.33
Phillip Dorsett (2015) — 4.33
Brandin Cooks (2014) — 4.33
Mike Wallace (2009) — 4.33
Bo Melton (2022) — 4.34
DJ Chark (2018) — 4.34
John Brown (2014) — 4.34
Tavon Austin (2013) — 4.34
Ryan Swope (2013) — 4.34

There is track speed, and then there is football speed.  There are players who play faster than their 40 dash, and ones who play slower.

I ran a 4.6 40 in high school, and when I had the pads on playing high school football, I just didn't feel as fast on the field.

The Jets once drafted a track star, Johnny "Lam" Jones, a wide receiver high up in the 1st round.

He was a bust.  The guy was not a good receiver, and was always hurt.  Thus, he was nicknamed Johnny "Lame" Jones.

[Larz]

You could have told us before the draft wtf 

[Barry McCockinner]

Only one of the top 5 WRs today doesn't run a 4.4 or better

Justin Jefferson 4.43
Tyreek Hill 4.29
Davante Adams 4.56
Ja'Marr Chase 4.38
Stefon Diggs 4.46
 

[rangerous]

i think it's like anything else.  there are extremes on both sides of this dash issue.  the greatest production will come from the middle.  i think being able to run in the 4.2s or 4.3s means there's something else your body/ability is giving away.  so many of these fast guys either have bad hands, or can't cut, or other attributes that make them bad wide receivers.  it the same thing with these overly muscle bound types who bulk up but lose lots of agility in the process.

[jetspenguin]

8 hours ago, Jdeet said:

Prior to this season, here are the top 40 yard dash runners in NFL history. I see 1 good WR. DK Metcalf and maybe Brandin Cooks, to some extent. That's it. 

John Ross (2017) — 4.22 seconds
Henry Ruggs III (2020) — 4.27
Marquise Goodwin (2013) — 4.27
Tyquan Thornton (2022) — 4.28
J.J. Nelson (2015) — 4.28
Jacoby Ford (2010) — 4.28
Darrius Heyward-Bey (2009) — 4.30
Velus Jones Jr. (2022) — 4.31
Parris Campbell (2019) — 4.31
Andy Isabella (2019) — 4.31
Curtis Samuel (2017) — 4.31
Calvin Austin III (2022) — 4.32
Will Fuller (2016) — 4.32
Trey Palmer (2023) — 4.33
Danny Gray (2022) — 4.33
Mecole Hardman (2019) — 4.33
DK Metcalf (2019) — 4.33
Phillip Dorsett (2015) — 4.33
Brandin Cooks (2014) — 4.33
Mike Wallace (2009) — 4.33
Bo Melton (2022) — 4.34
DJ Chark (2018) — 4.34
John Brown (2014) — 4.34
Tavon Austin (2013) — 4.34
Ryan Swope (2013) — 4.34

idk......Ruggs was a killer

[Jdeet]

8 hours ago, AFJF said:

Who is this directed at?

There are many who are killing the Jets on their pick of Malachi Corley because he had a 4.5+ 40. 

[C Mart]

2 hours ago, Obrien2Toon said:

Coleman will have a better career than Nabers 

Erik?  Vince?

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Only one of the top 5 WRs today doesn't run a 4.4 or better

Justin Jefferson 4.43
Tyreek Hill 4.29
Davante Adams 4.56
Ja'Marr Chase 4.38
Stefon Diggs 4.46
 

I hate to be the math nerd here, but 4.46 and 4.43 are not "4.4 or better".  They're both slightly worse than a 4.4

With that said, I also don't believe there is any meaningful real-world difference between a WR who runs a 4.43 and a WR who runs a 4.40 or a 4.46 or even a 4.50.  Most of the ultra-fast WR's often get pigeonholed as 9-route guys.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

2 hours ago, Mr. Rogers said:

I'll volunteer to state the obvious. Combine measureables are about the least important part of the pre-draft process. I think most (good) GMs would say the combine interviews and just getting a closer look at guys are more important than the actual measurables. In pads, on the field, the difference between a guy who ran 4.35 and 4.42 can be negligible. This is especially true in the new GPS data era.

At most, maybe the combine measureables can help you distinguish between two guys who are really close in your evaluations. If you're using 40 speed, jumps, cones or anything else as more important data than what's on film, you're a goon. All these guys are phenomenal athletes or they wouldn't be where they're at. 

Edit: maybe you care about the hand size, arm length and weight measurements for certain positions, but those are things you can get a feel for on film too 

The tape and GPS data are more useful / predictive than a track event.

The 40 time can be used to rule guys out — like if there’s no GPS data and the guy runs a 5.00 40 — but should never boost anyone’s stock.

WR Jake Bobo from Seattle ran like a 4.99 40 and made the team 🤣

Might have more career catches than Mims before it’s all over.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Fitness, stamina and effort come into play in an actual game.

On a 10-play drive or late in the 4th Q, John Ross isn’t out there running 4.28 every snap.

At the combine there’s no fatigue factor, no helmets and pads.

It’s not entirely useless but more for spectacle than anything else.