With Loaded Roster, Pressure is on Robert Saleh to Perform

[JetNation]

Jets head coach Robert Saleh is the owner of a career record of 18-33 and has never managed a winning season.  In fairness to Saleh, the dearth of talent and myriad of injuries his team has battled through in recent years should allow for somewhat of a pass for his team’s failures.  However, there have been plenty of issues that have little to do with talent and injuries that Saleh has to clean up if he’s finally going to pilot a team to the playoffs.

Especially in looking at the roster he has been handed by general manager Joe Douglas.

Saleh will be going to battle with Aaron Rodgers under center who, despite coming off of a ruptured achilles, was named by current coaches and executives as a top 10 signal caller according to the folks at ESPN.  Those same executives tabbed running back Breece Hall as the second best runner in the league while placing defensive tackle Quinnen Williams in the same spot at his position.

Add this to the Jets likely having the best trio of cornerbacks in the league with Sauce Gardner, DJ Reed and Michael Carter, a top duo at linebacker in Quincy Williams and CJ Mosley, and a deep roster of pass rushers led by Haason Reddick and Jermaine Johnson and you’ve got plenty of firepower to win football games.

Earning honorable mention in the top 10 offensive tackles was of course Tyron Smith, whose injury history is likely the only reason he wasn’t viewed as a top 3 player at his position.  With Smith anchoring an offensive line that consists of John Simpson, Joe Tippmann, Alijah Vera-Tucker and Morgan Moses should mean plenty of time for Rodgers to throw and room for Hall to run.

If this roster stays even remotely healthy, there’s no reason why Saleh shouldn’t enjoy his first playoff appearance as a head coach, and the first Jets fans will get to enjoy since 2010.

 

 

 

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[slats]

It’s on Saleh, he’s potentially coaching for his job this year, but it all comes down to Hackett, Rodgers, and the offense whether he’s successful or not. They clearly wanted to bring in some sort of senior offensive assistant, but the lack of job security seemed to alienate any potential suitors. Can Hackett step it up? Can Rodgers bail them all out? The defense is playoff run caliber and Hackett, imo, is already under the bus. Can he get himself out, or does he take the bus out with him? 

[OilfieldJet]

Coaching is second only to injuries/age as a weakness.

[T0mShane]

Really interested to see if Saleh can keep it together if the team has any early success. He‘s produced a few winning streaks over the past two years—a four gamer in 2022, and three in a row last year—which were then immediately followed by absolute nosedives: went 2-8 to close out ‘22, and dropped five in a row last year after starting 4-3. What gives you hope is that his teams look pretty sound when they get *anything* out of the QB position, but getting a bad team to grit out a few wins here and there is a different deal than maintaining success. We’re into uncharted territory with these hacks.

[Bobby816]

I think we all know he had the same pressure last year but pretty much only got  pass bc Rodgers got injured.

 

So that excuse doesn't apply this year. And QB going down for a long time is the only position that can even come close to giving a FO person a pass.

[The Crusher]

58 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Really interested to see if Saleh can keep it together if the team has any early success. He‘s produced a few winning streaks over the past two years—a four gamer in 2022, and three in a row last year—which were then immediately followed by absolute nosedives: went 2-8 to close out ‘22, and dropped five in a row last year after starting 4-3. What gives you hope is that his teams look pretty sound when they get *anything* out of the QB position, but getting a bad team to grit out a few wins here and there is a different deal than maintaining success. We’re into uncharted territory with these hacks.

Saleh built this defense  to play with a lead and violently close games out. If Aaron stays healthy along with the rest of the other old ass dudes good chance his defense gets a few of those opportunities . If we win early and this defense gets that taste of blood knowing the offense isn’t going to give everything right back then Saleh  might not have that much to do except cool fists pumps and catchy phrases. Of which he excels at! 

[Dunnie]

2 hours ago, slats said:

It’s on Saleh, he’s potentially coaching for his job this year, but it all comes down to Hackett, Rodgers, and the offense whether he’s successful or not. They clearly wanted to bring in some sort of senior offensive assistant, but the lack of job security seemed to alienate any potential suitors. Can Hackett step it up? Can Rodgers bail them all out? The defense is playoff run caliber and Hackett, imo, is already under the bus. Can he get himself out, or does he take the bus out with him? 

potentially ??? really ?  This guys is outta here with less than 10 wins. Slogans didn't work, Story Wall didn't work, passive aggressive blame games didn't work ... this guy needs to produce wins or get out.

[The Crusher]

8 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

potentially ??? really ?  This guys is outta here with less than 10 wins. Slogans didn't work, Story Wall didn't work, passive aggressive blame games didn't work ... this guy needs to produce wins or get out.

Yep, please and thank you. 

[CanadienJetsFan]

If this team comes out and plays undisciplined football, we’ll know nothing has changed with Saleh.

[rangerous]

the past two seasons, the team started strong enough to finish a lot better than it did.  okay i get the issues with the qb play and the injuries but it's like his whole goal was to muzzle the offense by playing it safe and then relying on the defense to win games.  that will only work so far and this defense really hasn't shown a lot of big play capability.  they don't get enough turnovers and give up too many 3rd and long first downs.  hopefully they'll be able to air it out on offense a lot more and put pressure on the other team to score.

[Augustiniak]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Really interested to see if Saleh can keep it together if the team has any early success. He‘s produced a few winning streaks over the past two years—a four gamer in 2022, and three in a row last year—which were then immediately followed by absolute nosedives: went 2-8 to close out ‘22, and dropped five in a row last year after starting 4-3. What gives you hope is that his teams look pretty sound when they get *anything* out of the QB position, but getting a bad team to grit out a few wins here and there is a different deal than maintaining success. We’re into uncharted territory with these hacks.

Saleh’s never had a good qb for any stretch.  But the thing that gets me with the headline is ‘loaded roster’.  For the past 15 yrs i would have taken a roster that doesn’t suck and has a few decent guys on offense. 

[Alka]

4 hours ago, slats said:

It’s on Saleh, he’s potentially coaching for his job this year, but it all comes down to Hackett, Rodgers, and the offense whether he’s successful or not. They clearly wanted to bring in some sort of senior offensive assistant, but the lack of job security seemed to alienate any potential suitors. Can Hackett step it up? Can Rodgers bail them all out? The defense is playoff run caliber and Hackett, imo, is already under the bus. Can he get himself out, or does he take the bus out with him? 

Of course Saleh is coaching for his job this year.  And any head coach would love to have this type of pressure, since it means that he has all the tools at his disposal to succeed.  Would you rather have a garbage roster and fight to try to win 7 games, or a great roster and try to win 11 games?  Any head coach worth his salt wants the great roster.  If Saleh doesn't win 10 games, he is gone, and I will wave goodbye to him.  

[Joe W. Namath]

There is no pressure to perform.  If Rodgers stays healthy, we win the division and have a shot at the Super Bowl.

If Rodgers gets hurt early, we will win 7 games and miss the playoffs.

The season results are already written.  Rodgers health will determine if we get the good or the bad ooutcome.

[The Crusher]

56 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

There is no pressure to perform.  If Rodgers stays healthy, we win the division and have a shot at the Super Bowl.

If Rodgers gets hurt early, we will win 7 games and miss the playoffs.

The season results are already written.  Rodgers health will determine if we get the good or the bad ooutcome.

Not wrong but if Rodgers misses only a couple games here and there we still have a shot, as long as Tyrod doesn't need to start more than 2.3 games. That much he's more than capable of performing up to par in.  If we end up 4 plays and a pile of dust again? Yep. this entire team will be burnt down to the crappy Metlife turf they play on. 

[jetspenguin]

13 hours ago, JetNation said:

Jets head coach Robert Saleh is the owner of a career record of 18-33 and has never managed a winning season.  In fairness to Saleh, the dearth of talent and myriad of injuries his team has battled through in recent years should allow for somewhat of a pass for his team’s failures.  However, there have been plenty of issues that have little to do with talent and injuries that Saleh has to clean up if he’s finally going to pilot a team to the playoffs.

Especially in looking at the roster he has been handed by general manager Joe Douglas.

Saleh will be going to battle with Aaron Rodgers under center who, despite coming off of a ruptured achilles, was named by current coaches and executives as a top 10 signal caller according to the folks at ESPN.  Those same executives tabbed running back Breece Hall as the second best runner in the league while placing defensive tackle Quinnen Williams in the same spot at his position.

Add this to the Jets likely having the best trio of cornerbacks in the league with Sauce Gardner, DJ Reed and Michael Carter, a top duo at linebacker in Quincy Williams and CJ Mosley, and a deep roster of pass rushers led by Haason Reddick and Jermaine Johnson and you’ve got plenty of firepower to win football games.

Earning honorable mention in the top 10 offensive tackles was of course Tyron Smith, whose injury history is likely the only reason he wasn’t viewed as a top 3 player at his position.  With Smith anchoring an offensive line that consists of John Simpson, Joe Tippmann, Alijah Vera-Tucker and Morgan Moses should mean plenty of time for Rodgers to throw and room for Hall to run.

If this roster stays even remotely healthy, there’s no reason why Saleh shouldn’t enjoy his first playoff appearance as a head coach, and the first Jets fans will get to enjoy since 2010.

 

 

 

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While its hardly mentioned, I have been saying this because I think it is our achillies heal this season

 

John Simpson- Unproven

Joe Tippmann- Unproven

This is where the weakness of our line rests and where teams will try to attack us, right up the gut. AR cannot move like he used to and this means he is more vunerable than in previoud years. Hopefully Tippmann can continue to make positive progress and John can minimize his penalties and the guy on his left can help him stabilize that spot. 

[peebag]

we'll be starting over in 2025.

[Biggs]

A loaded roster and enjoy making the playoffs.  The low bar for this guy is astounding.  Saleh is to NFL HC's as Zach Wilson is to NFL starting QB's.   I just gave you an answer to one of next years SAT question. 

[ARodJetsFan]

1 hour ago, peebag said:

we'll be starting over in 2025.

You may very well be right pb - but I'm hoping you're not.

[Larz]

Indubitably 

[slimjasi]

5 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Really interested to see if Saleh can keep it together if the team has any early success. He‘s produced a few winning streaks over the past two years—a four gamer in 2022, and three in a row last year—which were then immediately followed by absolute nosedives: went 2-8 to close out ‘22, and dropped five in a row last year after starting 4-3. What gives you hope is that his teams look pretty sound when they get *anything* out of the QB position, but getting a bad team to grit out a few wins here and there is a different deal than maintaining success. We’re into uncharted territory with these hacks.

Yep. 

And this organization specializes in late-season collapses and rarely (never?) handles prosperity well, in general.

Saleh guiding us to double digit wins as the expectations are progressively raised with every win is something I will need to see to believe. 

[Doggin94it]

7 hours ago, slats said:

It’s on Saleh, he’s potentially coaching for his job this year, but it all comes down to Hackett, Rodgers, and the offense whether he’s successful or not. They clearly wanted to bring in some sort of senior offensive assistant, but the lack of job security seemed to alienate any potential suitors. Can Hackett step it up? Can Rodgers bail them all out? The defense is playoff run caliber and Hackett, imo, is already under the bus. Can he get himself out, or does he take the bus out with him? 

Hackett will be fine so long as Rodgers is fine; that's Rodgers' offense and Hackett doesn't need to do much design or strategy to coordinate it.

[faba]

If we get competent QB play with a healthy Rodgers there are no more excuses from this coach

[slats]

@Dunnie and @Alka - I say “probably” coaching for his job, because I can imagine scenarios where he’s retained despite a less than desirable win-loss record this year. Imo, Woody should’ve given Saleh and JD both a one year extension if only to help attract some help. JD has vacancies in the front office, and Saleh -as I said- was looking for someone to take the reins from Hackett on offense. I get wanting to see results before extending them, but I also think they would’ve been in a better position to get those results with those additions. If Woody truly wants to see the best results on the field, that was an easy move for him to make. I’m sure he’s hoping that Saleh and JD earn longer extensions this season, he could’ve helped them earn them, too. No one’s signing on to a lame duck situation, especially on a franchise like the Jets. 

[BigRy56]

I am fully expecting a rock solid season followed by extensions for both JD and Saleh before free agency. Only injuries (again) can stop this from happening, whether we all like it or not

[Bronx]

8-9. 2025 will have a new regime. We will tank the next several years,  recycling our never ending misery. 

[Barry McCockinner]

7 minutes ago, Bronx said:

8-9. 2025 will have a new regime. We will tank the next several years,  recycling our never ending misery. 

Go eat some sprouts and take a cold shower 

[Joe W. Namath]

18 minutes ago, Bronx said:

8-9. 2025 will have a new regime. We will tank the next several years,  recycling our never ending misery. 

Bronxy = ray of sunshine

[Rangers9]

Look it's only logical to be optimistic with Rodgers as starting QB. And much of the same defense. But if team fails heads will roll including AR. But doubtful team isn't a lot better with him.

[Bronx]

1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Go eat some sprouts and take a cold shower 

[Bronx]

16 hours ago, The Crusher said:

defense gets that taste of blood knowing the offense isn’t going to give everything right back

@T0mShanewill still blame Zach Wilson.

[BP]

19 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Really interested to see if Saleh can keep it together if the team has any early success. He‘s produced a few winning streaks over the past two years—a four gamer in 2022, and three in a row last year—which were then immediately followed by absolute nosedives: went 2-8 to close out ‘22, and dropped five in a row last year after starting 4-3. What gives you hope is that his teams look pretty sound when they get *anything* out of the QB position, but getting a bad team to grit out a few wins here and there is a different deal than maintaining success. We’re into uncharted territory with these hacks.

He prints t shirts when they go on losing streaks. THATS INNOVATIVE!! 

Whenever this team under Saleh faced adversity or needed a must win, they failed miserably and collapsed.

just some examples: New Year’s Day 2023 must win against Seattle. Legendary Jets vaunted defense under the leadership of vaunted defensive mastermind Robert Saleh. First play of game against iconic Geno smith they hand the ball off for a 90 yard run. Jets not ready to play.

Black Fridays Hail Mary pick six LMAO where every Jet quit, but coach Salehs teeth were spot on!  I still have never seen this happen in my entire life.

[T0mShane]

5 hours ago, Bronx said:

@T0mShanewill still blame Zach Wilson.

I mean, the drafting of Zach Wilson and the ludicrous “plan” to redshirt him for two years has crippled this regime—both practically in terms of timeframe and in impairing their credibility— and has necessitated a bunch of slapdash measures to triage a one-year sprint to a playoff spot relying on a pack of semi-retired vets looking for one last payday and a bunch of fringe lame duck coaches.

[TuscanyTile2]

4 hours ago, BP said:

He prints t shirts when they go on losing streaks. THATS INNOVATIVE!! 

Whenever this team under Saleh faced adversity or needed a must win, they failed miserably and collapsed.

just some examples: New Year’s Day 2023 must win against Seattle. Legendary Jets vaunted defense under the leadership of vaunted defensive mastermind Robert Saleh. First play of game against iconic Geno smith they hand the ball off for a 90 yard run. Jets not ready to play.

Black Fridays Hail Mary pick six LMAO where every Jet quit, but coach Salehs teeth were spot on!  I still have never seen this happen in my entire life.

 

[TuscanyTile2]

On 7/16/2024 at 7:04 AM, T0mShane said:

Really interested to see if Saleh can keep it together if the team has any early success. He‘s produced a few winning streaks over the past two years—a four gamer in 2022, and three in a row last year—which were then immediately followed by absolute nosedives: went 2-8 to close out ‘22, and dropped five in a row last year after starting 4-3. What gives you hope is that his teams look pretty sound when they get *anything* out of the QB position, but getting a bad team to grit out a few wins here and there is a different deal than maintaining success. We’re into uncharted territory with these hacks.

[The Crusher]

7 hours ago, Bronx said:

@T0mShanewill still blame Zach Wilson.

Me too