Sully28 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Just dumb. What is Williams' ceiling? Let's be kind and say slightly better than Wilkerson. Now a lot of people say trade Wilkerson for a 1st. Okay, let's say that can be done, we trade in and get who? Someone who was available at 6, and options are more limited than what they would be if we picked at 6 since players are coming off the board. Different Scenario you keep Williams and Wilkerson. You run a 4-3 now? What do you do with Harrison? How much better is this line than our 3-4 line? Still yet to be seen if that would work out with Coples, Wilkerson, Richardson, and Williams, who are all basically (3-4 ends and 4-3 tackles). Plus two years down the road let's say you re-sign Wilkerson. You then have to pay Richardson, and then you have to Williams. Everyone's cool with spending a third of our cap on the DLine when our offense is trash? Only way this trade makes sense, is if you swing Wilkerson and some pick for Rivers. If that happens, I'll shut up and celebrate. But, I'll believe that when I see it. You obviously can't blindly pick by need in the draft, but this notion that you have to take the best player available no matter what isn't right either, as proven by this pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 We have a draft discussion thread already going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I didnt want to waste my time but i felt it was appropriate to say......dumbest thread ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony The Wiz Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 You my friend is clueless when it comes to football. When Seattle won their Super Bowl it was all about defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Simple question, what did you think when Idzik drafted Richardson in 2013??? Well Williams was a more highly rated prospect than Richardson was. Williams and maybe Cooper were the safest picks in this draft, you basically can "plug and play" both of them. He's a beast and he's not 21 yet, his maturity and knowledge of the nuances of DLine play is far above his age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Just dumb. What is Williams' ceiling? Let's be kind and say slightly better than Wilkerson. Now a lot of people say trade Wilkerson for a 1st. Okay, let's say that can be done, we trade in and get who? Someone who was available at 6, and options are more limited than what they would be if we picked at 6 since players are coming off the board. Different Scenario you keep Williams and Wilkerson. You run a 4-3 now? What do you do with Harrison? How much better is this line than our 3-4 line? Still yet to be seen if that would work out with Coples, Wilkerson, Richardson, and Williams, who are all basically (3-4 ends and 4-3 tackles). Plus two years down the road let's say you re-sign Wilkerson. You then have to pay Richardson, and then you have to Williams. Everyone's cool with spending a third of our cap on the DLine when our offense is trash? Only way this trade makes sense, is if you swing Wilkerson and some pick for Rivers. If that happens, I'll shut up and celebrate. But, I'll believe that when I see it. You obviously can't blindly pick by need in the draft, but this notion that you have to take the best player available no matter what isn't right either, as proven by this pick. Not much to understand, he was the best player on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleSlugger25 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Hopefully sully is drunk or on some heavy meds. Why would you draft JJ Watt if you already Wilkerson, right? Lets pass on the best player in the draft so we can fill a need at WR (despite having MArshall and Decker) or reach for an edge pass rusher that has drug issues or is suspect against the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 ******* Rex always lobbying for defensive linemen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I don't have exact statistics, but in looking over past drafts it seems that more than half of the top-10 draft picks outright bust. We got the player in the draft that has the least chance of busting, along with the potential to be GREAT. We made the best pick we possibly could. Easy, no-brainer pick. Now, for the rest of the draft, we can watch Maccagnan's scouting skills in action - those are the picks that will elevate our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 ******* Rex always lobbying for defensive linemen! ^^thia guy gets it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully28 Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 Hopefully sully is drunk or on some heavy meds. Why would you draft JJ Watt if you already Wilkerson, right? Lets pass on the best player in the draft so we can fill a need at WR (despite having MArshall and Decker) or reach for an edge pass rusher that has drug issues or is suspect against the run. Problem is Williams isn't Watt, he's at best Wilkerson and you're talking about getting rid of Wilkerson with this pick so lateral move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 You my friend is clueless when it comes to football. When Seattle won their Super Bowl it was all about defense. lynch and wilson say hi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully28 Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 You my friend is clueless when it comes to football. When Seattle won their Super Bowl it was all about defense. Our defense doesn't get better when you get rid of Mo, I'll say again Lateral. Move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 You my friend is clueless when it comes to football. When Seattle won their Super Bowl it was all about defense. Let me know when our offense has a dynamic player like Russell Wilson. Or Lynch. Or Golden Tate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleSlugger25 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Problem is Williams isn't Watt, he's at best Wilkerson and you're talking about getting rid of Wilkerson with this pick so lateral move. Where were you when Watt was drafted 11th overall? Where you proclaiming him the next defensive MVP? Williams is FAR more talented than WIlkerson and I LOVE wilkerson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony The Wiz Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Let me know when our offense has a dynamic player like Russell Wilson. Or Lynch. Or Golden Tate. Sorry but no QB in this draft that you could have taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 It's actually a fair point if trading MO. Trading Mo is more then likely going to be a wash or worse.. and say we get a mid first rounder back for him, which nets us a 2nd tier receiver or pass rusher. the Jets are likely better with Kevin White and Mo then WIlliams and someone like Strong. We do however save cap money sooner though, but meh The only way this makes sense is playing em both and creating havoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I hated the sheldon richardson pick so to jetnation I say "you're welcome", lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Keep Mo and the 2015 Jets have one of the best defensive lines in the history of the game - Enjoy the show! If Mo signs long term, game on, if not, Jets have ammo to trade up for a QB next year, best player in the draft and next best thing to getting an extra first next year, this was a smart move for the long term success of the Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Nobody asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMAN 1 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 You're nuts. Teams need good players. Jets MAY have a special D with a lot of contributors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Read this article to get a sense of how football intelligent Williams is: http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/25/leonard-williams-usc-nfl-draft/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Sorry but no QB in this draft that you could have taken. You're changing the subject. Stay on point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Does anyone remember Mo's rookie year? He was solid, but not the elite player he became towards the end of his 2nd season. Leonard Williams is going to be a GREAT player in this league. But he's still a little raw and will have the luxury of being in a supporting role in year 1, being a guy who start on 4DL packages and will spell Mo and Sheldon when they need a breather in the 3 DL packages. He'll learn all the little things that Mo learned that made him great. This likely means Coples plays standing up as an OLB on 1st/2nd down more often than not. Of course, the roster is begging Bowles to play 4-3 if Coples continues to underwhelm. On 3rd down passing situation, I don't know what Bowles does because he has an embarrassment of riches. He can send 5 pass rushers in Mo, Sheldon, Coples, Williams, and Babin/Pace/IK. Harris or Davis at linebacker. In the secondary, Revis,Cro, and Skrine in man coverage, Gilcrist over the top, and Pryor roaming over the middle to lay the hits. That's pretty nasty. Antonio Allen and Dee Milliner are also options depending on matchups. Todd Bowles really has no excuses, he needs to field a top 5 defense, really top 3. Jets have a ton of leverage in the Wilkerson negotiations now and can slap the franchise tag if they want. They can also let him walk, have his replacement already waiting, and have the free cash to participate in the Philip Rivers or Drew Brees sweepstakes next offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Lew Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 whatever happens, we have options!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I don't have exact statistics, but in looking over past drafts it seems that more than half of the top-10 draft picks outright bust. We got the player in the draft that has the least chance of busting, along with the potential to be GREAT. We made the best pick we possibly could. Easy, no-brainer pick. Now, for the rest of the draft, we can watch Maccagnan's scouting skills in action - those are the picks that will elevate our team. Agree with this post 100% I honestly didn't see a scenario that Williams would fall to the Jets. Didn't consider him. IMO this is the best player in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Does anyone remember Mo's rookie year? He was solid, but not the elite player he became towards the end of his 2nd season. Leonard Williams is going to be a GREAT player in this league. But he's still a little raw and will have the luxury of being in a supporting role in year 1, being a guy who start on 4DL packages and will spell Mo and Sheldon when they need a breather in the 3 DL packages. This likely means Coples plays standing up on 1st/2nd down more often than not. On 3rd down passing situation, I don't know what Bowles does because he has an embarrassment of riches. He can send 5 pass rushers in Mo, Sheldon, Coples, Williams, and Babin/Pace/IK. Harris or Davis at linebacker. In the secondary, Revis,Cro, and Skrine in man coverage, Gilcrist over the top, and Pryor roaming over the middle to lay the hits. That's pretty nasty. Antonio Allen and Dee Milliner are also options depending on matchups. Todd Bowles really has no excuses, he needs to field a top 5 defense, really top 3. i agree with your post but, I think Wilkerson is on the block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaumerJet Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Not much to understand, he was the best player on the board. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Agree with this post 100% I honestly didn't see a scenario that Williams would fall to the Jets. Didn't consider him. IMO this is the best player in this draft. This. Something something beating the Titans and Dolphags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great One Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 They couldn't take anyone but Williams there. He's way better value than the WVU WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Richardson - Wilk - Harrison - Williams I can only imagine how dominant our defense woll be, especially with our corners. **** this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I'll make it simple for you ... not only BPA ... BP of the freaking draft class ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Williams might be the best player out of this draft class- how the Jets mix and match their defense will be interesting to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Second round go for best offensive player available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Just dumb. What is Williams' ceiling? Let's be kind and say slightly better than Wilkerson. Now a lot of people say trade Wilkerson for a 1st. Okay, let's say that can be done, we trade in and get who? Someone who was available at 6, and options are more limited than what they would be if we picked at 6 since players are coming off the board. Different Scenario you keep Williams and Wilkerson. You run a 4-3 now? What do you do with Harrison? How much better is this line than our 3-4 line? Still yet to be seen if that would work out with Coples, Wilkerson, Richardson, and Williams, who are all basically (3-4 ends and 4-3 tackles). Plus two years down the road let's say you re-sign Wilkerson. You then have to pay Richardson, and then you have to Williams. Everyone's cool with spending a third of our cap on the DLine when our offense is trash? Only way this trade makes sense, is if you swing Wilkerson and some pick for Rivers. If that happens, I'll shut up and celebrate. But, I'll believe that when I see it. You obviously can't blindly pick by need in the draft, but this notion that you have to take the best player available no matter what isn't right either, as proven by this pick. It's funny to read people's posts and clearly see their head exploding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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