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How do you define a Franchise QB?

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A "franchise QB" is a QB is good enough that you can confidently build your franchise around them. I thought this was common knowledge.

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On 7/15/2017 at 4:07 PM, flgreen said:

A QB that when the opposing coaching staff meets in their game plan meeting the week before the game,The first question that comes to the table is, "How are we going to stop the QB from beating us?" 

Actually when the Jets staff meets the conversation is how can we stop our QB from beating us..:)

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Definition: anyone not named Christian Hackenberg or Bryce Petty


That's like saying living on Mars is a bad idea ... how do you know ?????


... oh wait ;-)

I have slim hope for Hack.


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Franchise QB is someone who elevates the play of his teammates.  

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2 minutes ago, whodeawhodat said:

Franchise QB is someone who elevates the play of his teammates.  

For about 5-10 years.

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7 minutes ago, peebag said:

For about 5-10 years.

yeah, i should have added consistently over time.  Flash in the pan is not included.

 

Also, for everyone downplaying how good cousins is, he has had the leverage in contract talks.  He is guaranteed ~$48M over the next 2 years if he has his typical year this year. Even if he gets hurt and IRed, at his position he would command a big contract next year. So the skins needed to blow him away with an offer that included length and guaranteed money and they obviously did not do that.  It is cousins world pretty much.

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On 18/07/2017 at 8:00 PM, UntouchableCrew said:

A "franchise QB" is a QB is good enough that you can confidently build your franchise around them. I thought this was common knowledge.

I'd go with this as a simple, but effective, definition. No need to build specifics into it like Pro Bowls, HOF etc.

A guy who you don't need to worry about year after year, other than the two unmovable things - age and injury.

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On 7/15/2017 at 4:20 PM, T0mShane said:

A quarterback who, when you fix his footwork, can finish in the top half of the Big 10.

Yea, even brady was second string in that league :)

 

For the franchise, I like the simple checklist (all points mentioned in this thread); 

  1. Full time starting QB for 5+ years 
  2. Respected in locker room, ideally as a leader
  3. Demonstrated ability (examples) of winning important games for team  

Based on these, Chad and Mark were closer than they get credit for...

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On 7/15/2017 at 8:11 PM, Lil Woody said:

Until they fix the money problem with escalating QB salaries, and install a standard ceiling % of the cap or max contract at the position, there is going to be a lot of Kirk Cousin type problems to go around. 

Look at what Carr just banked.... Now, I love what Carr is doing, and he may very well turn out to be an elite top 5 type QB in the league, but they are taking a huge risk allocating that much cap room to a guy who has only continued down the expected path of becoming a FQB.  It's a shame that he wasn't taken in the 1st because then they'd have that 5th year option and franchise tags to be able to string him along for 7 years to ensure they were making the right decision by paying him at the very top of the market.  Oakland took a huge leap of faith because Carr is maturing in the exact way you would expect a FQB to develop. But the bottom could just as easily drop out on him, and once they have to start paying non rookie contract money to Cooper, Mack and the majority of their defense need to decide on how to afford to keep the same level of OLine play at half the cost of what they are spending there no it's going to be Carr that needs to shoulder the load or they have to take a step backwards on defense and hope Carr is capable of being an Aaron Rodgers type of player.  I'm rooting for Carr, I liked him a lot coming out, and I'm wishing him well despite being a scumbag Raider.  But teams have to basically destroy their cap to keep a young QB happy in this system.  Something has got to give. And if a team is on the fence we will see a lot more Cousins type wait and see approaches. I still think Cousins gets his money from the Skins, because what is their plan B? Not having a QB? Continually taking on veteran JAGs who can't shoulder the load at the position?  We all know how well that approach works.

Another reason I'm pulling for Carr is that the Raiders are a good enemy to have when they are good. It kills me when we lose to them, and it is the best feeling when we beat them. Similar to the Dolphins. You love to hate them, but at least you can respect them.  Unlike a certain division rival of ours....

Agree with your post except the respect for the Dolphins. 

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59 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

Agree with your post except the respect for the Dolphins. 

Ha. A fair point. But the bar has become so low now. While the Dolphins are far from being "respectable", they have not disrespected the game as much as the Pats have.  Soggy fields aside. It's a better NFL when the Jets and Dolphins are operating well and they are maintaining their traditional rivalry.

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On 7/19/2017 at 11:13 AM, slats said:

It will be if they do it right. If they trot Josh McCown out there for an extended period under the "best chance to win" banner, it'll be another waste. 

I will say this: their first year, they had the right idea. They were going to give Geno every chance to prove himself or prove he couldn't do it. It was the right play for the future of the franchise. Fitzpatrick's amazingly lucky 2015 turned the 2016 season into a total loss. If they get back on track, they'll name McCown #2 early in camp and roll with Hackenberg. Then if Hack gets hurt, McCown mops up but the next week they prepare Petty to start. McCown playing does nothing for the future of this franchise, and the future is what this season has to be about. They don't have a present. 

But starting QB is Bowles' call to make, and his interests are short term.  One in which 5 or 6 wins is to be accomplished at all costs. I expect Bowels to start McCown and play him until the team is mathematically eliminated or he gets hurt.  Even though everything yo say is 100% correct, The only way Bowles does what you want him to do is if Hack lights it up in pre season or Bowles' return in 2018 is assured and perhaps an extension with it. 

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6 hours ago, Dcat said:

But starting QB is Bowles' call to make, and his interests are short term.  One in which 5 or 6 wins is to be accomplished at all costs. I expect Bowels to start McCown and play him until the team is mathematically eliminated or he gets hurt.  Even though everything yo say is 100% correct, The only way Bowles does what you want him to do is if Hack lights it up in pre season or Bowles' return in 2018 is assured and perhaps an extension with it. 

This is depressing,

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7 hours ago, Dcat said:

But starting QB is Bowles' call to make, and his interests are short term.  One in which 5 or 6 wins is to be accomplished at all costs. I expect Bowels to start McCown and play him until the team is mathematically eliminated or he gets hurt.  Even though everything yo say is 100% correct, The only way Bowles does what you want him to do is if Hack lights it up in pre season or Bowles' return in 2018 is assured and perhaps an extension with it. 

However - Bowles reports to Woody, and it's up to Woody to set Bowles' aims for the year, against which he will either keep him, fire him, or extend him.

If Woody says that winning trumps everything, then it's in Bowles' interest to play the "best chance to win" QB.

If Woody says he wants to fully assess all the young guys, winning be damned, then playing McCown to churn out as many wins as possible is counter to that objective.

Of course, Bowles could "go rogue" and do his own thing anyway ... which would likely precipitate his firing, but he could walk away with his pride / integrity intact, which might matter more to him.

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22 hours ago, Lil Woody said:

Ha. A fair point. But the bar has become so low now. While the Dolphins are far from being "respectable", they have not disrespected the game as much as the Pats have.  Soggy fields aside. It's a better NFL when the Jets and Dolphins are operating well and they are maintaining their traditional rivalry.

Can't argue with you about the Pats, but you are right it is much better when Jets and Fins are competitive. I am just biased as my strong dislike for the Fins clouds my vision at times. The Dolphins at one point were heading down the same path we are now and have improved their roster and coaching staff. It has only been one year of success for the Fins so we shall see how they do this year. I do like what I saw from Gase in his first year. He is able to pull off the players coach along with being a disciplinarian.

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9 hours ago, Dcat said:

But starting QB is Bowles' call to make, and his interests are short term.  One in which 5 or 6 wins is to be accomplished at all costs. I expect Bowels to start McCown and play him until the team is mathematically eliminated or he gets hurt.  Even though everything yo say is 100% correct, The only way Bowles does what you want him to do is if Hack lights it up in pre season or Bowles' return in 2018 is assured and perhaps an extension with it. 

Maccagnan behaved this offseason like a guy who's been given some sort of assurance. If I'm him, I tell Bowles I have his back if he starts Hackenberg all year. That if Hack sucks, that gives him a little cover. But if somehow Hack looks like he could be the real deal, the two of them are golden - at least for the time being.  

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On 7/15/2017 at 5:33 PM, The Crusher said:

QB who don't play for the Jets?

Franchise QB: A guy who makes a lot more money than any of you. 

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Strapping good looks, a chip on his shoulder, intangibles, a model wife/beard, willingness to cheat, a diet without vegetables related to the nightshade, and willingness to cheat more.

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26 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Strapping good looks, a chip on his shoulder, intangibles, a model wife/beard, willingness to cheat, a diet without vegetables related to the nightshade, and willingness to cheat more.

 

Wait ... The model's clam is bearded ?

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8 hours ago, ljr said:

 

Wait ... The model's clam is bearded ?

lol, allegedly.

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