T0mShane Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Semi-baseless, but it's good to dream. Roethlisberger needs a new contract, the Steelers are being coy about it, Ben hates Haley and doesn't seem to have oodles of respect for Tomlin, either. Throw in the fact that the Steelers (though they're 4-3 right now) look to be on the verge of a rebuild, I don't think the Rooneys love Ben in the first place, and Ben allegedly asked for a trade last offseason. As unlikely as it is, I'd pony up the next two firsts for Roethlisberger without blinking. He'll be 33 next year, would eat up roughly $18 mil in cap space, and he's immediately turn the Jets into a pretty attractive landing spot for new HC candidates. I'm of the belief that Idzik has an ace up his sleeve, and that ace includes landing a big QB. Jason (OTC.com) does a nice recap of the financials here: http://overthecap.com/steelers-salary-cap-ben-roethlisberger/ The Steelers Salary Cap and Ben Roethlisberger Posted on November 11, 2013 by Jason Fitzgerald A story broke this morning that Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger had made it known to the organization that he would be open to a trade in 2014. Since that time he has denied he ever made such a request, but I do think it’s an option that should at least be discussed. The Steelers are one of the older teams in the NFL. They had a tremendous run from the mid 2000’s through 2011 but the last two seasons have been disappointing and the writing is on the wall that the team, as currently constructed, is not going to go back to the playoffs. The Steelers currently have six starters over the age of 30 and of their top 10 2014 salary cap charges, six will be over 30 next year. Pittsburgh has been both a victim of their own success and also of poor cap management. When you are as good as the Steelers were you will almost always encounter difficult salary cap situations since your best players will always need to get paid, but the Steelers have consistently refused to face reality when it came to some of their players in recent years. While they have been willing to let Wide Receivers leave the organization (Plaxico Burress, Santonio Holmes, and Mike Wallace were all considered above average players) the remainder of the team was pretty much kept intact. In order to be cap compliant the Steelers have been nothing but a restructuring factory simply deferring charges until later and later has pretty much arrived. It seems as if much of the planning has only been with the current year in mind, not that different than the Dallas Cowboys. Many of the recent signings have never gone back to back years without a restructured contract. Now it will be time to release many of those players. My estimates have Pittsburgh about $7.5 million over next years’ salary cap with 40 players under contract. The release of T Levi Brown (a no brainer) and S Troy Polamalu (a very difficult move since he’s a Steelers legend) will give the team about $7 million in cap room. From there they will need to make a decision on TE Heath Miller and CB Ike Taylor. Releasing both would open the team up to $20 million in cap space but this is an organization that has never been about free agent signings but instead building through the draft, so they wont have immediate need for the money. That said having cap room when you re-sign your quality draft picks down the line is important. With the possibility of releasing Miller, Polamalu, and Taylor very real, plus the fact that starters Brett Keisel, Ryan Clark, Emmanuel Sanders, Jason Worilds, and Fernando Velasco are all free agents the Steelers could finally be at the point of a major shakeup. This should bring up the thought of whether or not Roethlisberger is the man to lead the team through this change period. This should not be a financial decision. First of all Ben is a cheap QB. His salary the next two years is just $12.1 and $11.6 million. That would make him attractive to other teams but should also make him attractive to Pittsburgh. Whilehe does have bloated cap charges of $18.95 and $18.35 million due to the constant restructuring of his contract, trading Roethlisberger would still cost the Steelers $13.59 million in dead money. If the Steelers were really considering the option then the restructuring of his contract was a terrible mistake. Prior to his latest restructure the dead money on his contract was just $7.59 million. If the season ended now the Steelers would have a draft pick in the top 8, but that would be behind multiple QB needy teams such as Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Houston, and Minnesota. The Rams could possibly have two top 10 picks while the Browns will likely have two mid round picks. That gives both significant ammunition to trade up with the Falcons or Bills, the two bad teams with no need for a QB. Realistically I am not sure that trading Roethlisberger would give the Steelers the ammunition they need to grab a QB. A team that would want him would be one like the Cardinals who will likely be picking near the playoff area of the draft. That would give them more firepower than Cleveland but not the Rams. Even if it did you are essentially trading your franchise QB to package with another draft choice to draft a QB. That is a pretty steep price. If the Steelers were to use a top draft pick on a QB the compensation in cash would be around $14 million with a $4 million cap charge. Both of those numbers would be basically a push on the QB spending for the team in 2014 under the scenario where Ben remains. If they were to simply trade him for another draft choice then they have a limited set of options to play the position next year. In my opinion they would probably be best off keeping Ben on the team under his current contract and considering drafting a prospect with one of their top draft selections in 2014. As we have seen this season having a quality backup is something most teams desire and with the new CBA in place there is no reason why you can not have a player like Roethlisberger and a 1st or 2nd round draft pick on the team. You can then revisit trading him in 2015 when you may have more faith in where the organization is headed. Unless the season gets to the point where they sneak into the 3rd draft pick and are in line to get one of the top QBs in the draft naturally I just can’t see trading him for what could end up being the 18th pick in the draft. Even then I am sure than Roethlisberger could at least mentor the player somewhat during his rookie season. Roethlisberger is not the problem with the Steelers salary cap and moving him is not going to change that situation one bit. A trade as things stand right now would be surprising to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 i would honestly stop being a Jets fan. first Vick, now this f'in guy? can't stand his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Interesting theory but highly unlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 It would be awesome. he is a baller but the Steelers have fallen apart since his last Superbowl trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 i would honestly stop being a Jets fan. first Vick, now this f'in guy? can't stand his face. Big Ben was never convicted on anything, was he?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 No way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Cant stand the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 How about 2 1st rounders for Kaepernick and Jim Harbaugh? That I'd be more excited about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrunder Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 How about 2 1st rounders for Kaepernick and Jim Harbaugh? That I'd be more excited about. I would give up our next 3 first rounders for Harbaugh alone. We already have a great DL, and we never seem to hit on our secondary picks, so they would likely be wasted anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Big Ben was never convicted on anything, was he?? he wasn't to my knowledge, but he's still a doucher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 How about 2 1st rounders for Kaepernick and Jim Harbaugh? That I'd be more excited about.Harbaugh if he leaves is goint to Ann Arbor. Kapernick is nowhere near the talent of Rapelisberger. Rothliseberger is clearly a jerk. But bad news-not lot of these guys are wonderful people(can state an exception that personally Adam Graves could be the nicest human I've ever met) .In part because to be a pro athlete requires some selfishness and often prodigous talent is indulged early and often. You get lucky sometimes to root for good guys, but mostly you are rooting for laundry. If that trade is offered, don't let them off the phone until the Steelers say yes, and write the check happily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 As unlikely as it is, I'd pony up the next two firsts for Roethlisberger without blinking. He'll be 33 next year, would eat up roughly $18 mil in cap space, and he's immediately turn the Jets into a pretty attractive landing spot for new HC candidates. I'm of the belief that Idzik has an ace up his sleeve, and that ace includes landing a big QB. How exactly does this work? Idzik trades for Roethlisberger and then starts searching for coaches after that? Or do you now see Rex sticking for another year, tanking with Roethlisberger, and then Idzik hiring a new coach in 2016? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Can Big Ben run the read option? Is he capable of playing WR when we run the wildcat with Vick, Bilal Powell, and now Percy Harvin? These are the questions we need to ask ourselves before we start ponying up first rounders for Big Ben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 How exactly does this work? Idzik trades for Roethlisberger and then starts searching for coaches after that? Or do you now see Rex sticking for another year, tanking with Roethlisberger, and then Idzik hiring a new coach in 2016?Ryan with a real QB would still want to ground and pound or some such nonsense. He hates the forward pass. A serious passing attack doesn't fit the Ryan family ethos of tough guy BS. Though looking at the schedule you could make book that the Jets will each week be in every game and probalby win a few . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 How exactly does this work? Idzik trades for Roethlisberger and then starts searching for coaches after that? Or do you now see Rex sticking for another year, tanking with Roethlisberger, and then Idzik hiring a new coach in 2016? Well, if Rex has a shred of personal dignity, he'll quit at the end of this season anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Can Big Ben run the read option? Is he capable of playing WR when we run the wildcat with Vick, Bilal Powell, and now Percy Harvin? These are the questions we need to ask ourselves before we start ponying up first rounders for Big Ben.Rothliseberger with Harvin, Decker, Kerley and Amaro is s totally different offense. MM is running what ever the hell this is because the QB is a dunderhead. He or any OC is gonna conform his gameplans and playbook to the talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Ryan with a real QB would still want to ground and pound or some such nonsense. He hates the forward pass. A serious passing attack doesn't fit the Ryan family ethos of tough guy BS. Though looking at the schedule you could make book that the Jets will each week be in every game and probalby win a few . I really think we'd need to see him with a real QB before we could come to any such conclusion. They tried to open up the offense in Sanchez' third year (for god's sake!) to disasterous results. I'm of the opinion that he'd be very pleased with a QB capable of moving the football. You don't have his knowledge of defense without understanding how important the offense is. You don't lean that heavily on your CBs if you don't understand the importance of the passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Well, if Rex has a shred of personal dignity, he'll quit at the end of this season anyway. Yeah, but then he'd probably come back. Like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Well, if Rex has a shred of personal dignity, he'll quit at the end of this season anyway. figures izdick would sabotage REX then run him out of town then finaly get a real qb the second hes gone SMDH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Hmmm....that would mean replacing a dog murderer with a serial rapist. As an animal lover I would totally condone this move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Can that fatty put his hand in the dirt, and cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Why would Ben want to sign here. On the JETS every criminal activity he does would be magnified a million times. Infact i won't be surprised if the media starts acting like whatever he did down in Atlanta was the fault of the JETS. I can see him going to the Pats when Brady starts to suck. Then whatever he does all the commish would do is see the tapes of it, whack off to it and get rid of it before he walks upto the dining room for Kraft's Thanksgiving dinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'd trade for Big Ben in a heartbeat. That being said, this is a total pipe dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I would give up our next 3 first rounders for Harbaugh alone. We already have a great DL, and we never seem to hit on our secondary picks, so they would likely be wasted anyway. Or just wait until March when he leaves the Bay area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 We need two first rounders rather than a big jerkoff playing an entirely new offense. Draft Mariota and learn him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Semi-baseless, but it's good to dream. Roethlisberger needs a new contract, the Steelers are being coy about it, Ben hates Haley and doesn't seem to have oodles of respect for Tomlin, either. Throw in the fact that the Steelers (though they're 4-3 right now) look to be on the verge of a rebuild, I don't think the Rooneys love Ben in the first place, and Ben allegedly asked for a trade last offseason. As unlikely as it is, I'd pony up the next two firsts for Roethlisberger without blinking. He'll be 33 next year, would eat up roughly $18 mil in cap space, and he's immediately turn the Jets into a pretty attractive landing spot for new HC candidates. I'm of the belief that Idzik has an ace up his sleeve, and that ace includes landing a big QB. Jason (OTC.com) does a nice recap of the financials here: What HC candidates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bugg Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 We need two first rounders rather than a big jerkoff playing an entirely new offense. Draft Mariota and learn him up.The horse is more important than the cart. WOrrying about your system offense when your QB stinks is a waste of time. Get the QB and things will fall into place. Heard the same thing regarding Favre. Until he got hurt whatever offense they weere running worked just fine. Simply this trade is EXACTLY what the Jets should do if the guy they want in the draft won't be there. The Raiders and Jags may be set at QB, but if the Jets fall to 5/6/7 Mariota may not be there. We'll know the day after the season is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucrenegade Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I don't like him as a guy but he is a huge upgrade over geno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Well, I like rape and I like winning. So where do I sign up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Semi-baseless? That's a thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Semi-baseless? That's a thing? It's kind of like being very unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 he wasn't to my knowledge, but he's still a doucher. so are half the guys on the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Well, I like rape and I like winning. So where do I sign up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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