OuttaSightPF Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Neither one of these players had any significant impact for the Jets. Pryor was a disaster. I have very little faith he develops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bergenjets Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Didn't realize that Pryor had 60 tackles. Honestly thought it would be in the 20's or 30's before I checked. He's no Vernon Gholston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Can someone post the complete list, if you have the ESPN's sh*tty Insider subscription? Thanks for the $! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Didn't realize that Pryor had 60 tackles. Honestly thought it would be in the 20's or 30's before I checked. He's no Vernon Gholston. He has half a sack. Thats half more than Ghost has had his entire career...n he was supposed to have 20 sack seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Pryor? Really. Pryor wasn't even close to good this season. Kiper couldnt find any film of him making tackles for a reason.... Amaro is GOOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 What exactly did you see to come to that conclusion? I saw nothing to make me think his ceiling is anything more than serviceable in the right system. The only hope I have is the fact that I certain Pryor received either very poor or no coaching at all. I saw a safety that was out of position a lot, made the wrong reads, but not one that got physically beaten - he was not coached properly, was playing mostly out of position with 4th string corners and he was learning the game. He showed me he has the ability to play the position it's just a matter of putting things together. He's going to be VERY good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Bitonti told us this would happen. But he also told us it wouldn't. gotta keep those bases covered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Clinton-Dix. By far. Dix. (Source: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClinHa00.htm) 16 Games Played, 10 Starts. 1 INT, 1 Fumble Rec., 1.0 Sacks, 66 Tackles, 28 Assists, 6 Passes Defensed Pryor (Source: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PryoCa00.htm) 15 Games, 15 Starts, 0 INT, 0 Fumble Recs, 0.5 Sacks, 36 Tackles, 25 Assists, 2 Passes Defensed Yep, sure looks that way, I'd have to agree. So why on Earth would the Haircut picks Pryor over Ha Ha then, one is forced to wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Dix. 16 Games Played, 10 Starts. 1 INT, 1 Fumble Rec., 1.0 Sacks, 66 Tackles, 28 Assists, 6 Passes Defensed Pryor 15 Games, 15 Starts, 0 INT, 0 Fumble Recs, 0.5 Sacks, 36 Tackles, 25 Assists, 2 Passes Defensed Yep, sure looks that way, I'd have to agree. So why on Earth would the Haircut picks Pryor over Ha Ha then, one is forced to wonder? He had Pryor ranked higher on his big board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 kiper is an idiot and obviously didnt want to sit thru watching jet games I hope all Idziots draft picks turn into pro bowlers now that he gone I don't know about anymore but the rumor was always Kiper barely watched tape on prospects and would rely on his contacts through ESPN to get all his intel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 didn't Buchanon have a pretty solid year in AZ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/12/which_jets_made_mel_kiper_jrs_2014_all-rookie_team.html Interesting that the jets had 2 guys make it. What if next year they show continued improvement and mcdougle comes back, shaq evans recovers and makes an impact, dozier is a starting guard, and IK and Reilly have bigger roles. How would idzik's draft look then??? I think with the right coaching, this draft won't look nearly as bad a year or two from now. That is assuming that Mcdougle and Evans can stay healthy. Pryor has a long way to go to justify his draft position... Firing Idzik was the right move regardless; you can't whiff that badly with 12 picks and all that cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 The athleticism is obviously there, both Amaro and Pryor could easily develop into quality starters. If Harrison Smith has the athleticism to thrive in this league I have no doubt that Calvin Pryor can. Perhaps playing him at his position of strength, SS, and using Amaro as a strictly slot-receiver would see a boost to their stats. Maybe this is what developing a rookie looks like. Learning new systems/terminology/speed = making more mental mistakes. Take those away and we have two high-character, physical players, who love football. that being said, they probably made Kiper's list based off name recognition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 It an All-Rookie team. What Rookie Safety was better than Pryor in 2014? Ha Ha Bucannon Ward Southward Boston to name a few This list should tell you mel has no clue..... he also has his own agenda on players he hyped up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I don't know about anymore but the rumor was always Kiper barely watched tape on prospects and would rely on his contacts through ESPN to get all his intel. well if he watched the games like we did then he would have seen all the whiffs we did - couple a game until he was benched then a coulple more a game when he was forced back in there. I dont care if he is suppose to be a SS and was playing out of position. He cant spend his whole carrier in the box waiting for the ball carrier to run into him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 He picked both Pryor and Clinton-Dix at safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Neither one of these players had any significant impact for the Jets. Pryor was a disaster. I have very little faith he develops. We were 4-12 none of the players had any significant impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Because it's very hard to play safety in the NFL as a rookie. He's going to be a very good player. This will turn out to be a good draft from a fired GM who doesn't know talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Obviously mel knows nothing about football. Otherwise he would agree with this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 What exactly did you see to come to that conclusion? I saw nothing to make me think his ceiling is anything more than serviceable in the right system. The only hope I have is the fact that I certain Pryor received either very poor or no coaching at all. I don't have any idea why you draft a strong safety number one and then proceed to play him out of position all year so a nobody vet can play his spot. P{ryor's skills do not translate to free safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 The Louisville Slug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Obviously mel knows nothing about football. Otherwise he would agree with this board. Mel is spoonfed all his data from all his contacts... Mel has a great memory of regurgitating stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 some real prizes in this thread...yeah Amaro sucks because its easy to catch 38 passes on a team with an offense that would make the 2001 ravens look like the 2014 broncos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 BTW there is every chance that both Evans and Dex become good football players...and a whole lot of you are going to be eating crow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 some real prizes in this thread...yeah Amaro sucks because its easy to catch 38 passes on a team with an offense that would make the 2001 ravens look like the 2014 broncos. Amusing at best the football knowledge that comes out sometimes or doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 i vaguely remember Revis being called a bust on jetsinsider (RIP)...good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 First mistake is to judge rookies good or bad based on only one year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Pryor looked like he had no idea where he was supposed to be on any given play. Amaro looked like every other young skill position player that's been brought in here for the past six years. They both suffered from a huge downgrade in coaching from their college days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 BTW there is every chance that both Evans and Dex become good football players...and a whole lot of you are going to be eating crow. They'll attribute Dex to Rex, and Evans to dumb luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I think Amaro and Pryor will booth be good. Sometimes it does not happen Year One. Sorry, folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I think Amaro and Pryor will booth be good. Sometimes it does not happen Year One. Sorry, folks i think safety is a particularly tough position to play as a rookie. you are constantly expected to make split second decisions, take the correct angles, etc.. all the things that are that much harder to do when the players you are facing are all 10x bette then you did in college. the game really has to slow down for you at some point, and that comes with experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Pryor had like two hits in the regular season. Kiper proving he doesn't actually watch football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I think with the right coaching, this draft won't look nearly as bad a year or two from now. That is assuming that Mcdougle and Evans can stay healthy. Pryor has a long way to go to justify his draft position... Firing Idzik was the right move regardless; you can't whiff that badly with 12 picks and all that cap space. This is the state of John Idzik's last draft ever: maybe the two guys on the IR don't suck. Lol Also lol at anyone using Mel Kiper's opinion as proof of anything. Guaranteed the same people are bashing every word that comes out of his mouth at the end of April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Didn't realize that Pryor had 60 tackles. Honestly thought it would be in the 20's or 30's before I checked. He's no Vernon Gholston. Pryor has 36 tackles, not 60. You're adding in the assists. 36 tackles for a full time starting safety is awful. from Warfish's post: Dix. (Source: http://www.pro-footb.../C/ClinHa00.htm) 16 Games Played, 10 Starts. 1 INT, 1 Fumble Rec., 1.0 Sacks, 66 Tackles, 28 Assists, 6 Passes Defensed Pryor (Source: http://www.pro-footb.../P/PryoCa00.htm) 15 Games, 15 Starts, 0 INT, 0 Fumble Recs, 0.5 Sacks, 36 Tackles, 25 Assists, 2 Passes Defensed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Pryor has 36 tackles, not 60. You're adding in the assists. 36 tackles for a full time starting safety is awful. from Warfish's post: Dix. (Source: http://www.pro-footb.../C/ClinHa00.htm) 16 Games Played, 10 Starts. 1 INT, 1 Fumble Rec., 1.0 Sacks, 66 Tackles, 28 Assists, 6 Passes Defensed Pryor (Source: http://www.pro-footb.../P/PryoCa00.htm) 15 Games, 15 Starts, 0 INT, 0 Fumble Recs, 0.5 Sacks, 36 Tackles, 25 Assists, 2 Passes Defensed why is it so hard to give him some benefit of the doubt? even the toughest of football evaluators Bill Parcells was willing to give rookies 3 years...Jets fans will probably boo Pryor game 1 next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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