KRL Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 The NFL wants to eliminate the kick off to improve player safety. But by moving a touchback to the 25 it's going to have the opposite effect. Now instead of the kicker putting the ball through the end zone, teams will have the kicker try to place the ball at the 1 yard line. Why??? So that the kicking team has a chance to tackle the receiving team inside the 25!!! You will now have more "violent collisions" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Why can't they just leave the ******* rules alone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 14 minutes ago, sourceworx said: Why can't they just leave the ******* rules alone? Having admitted to the connection between CTE and football they have very little room not to consider the injury risks of all rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LWC611 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Why don't they just eliminate the kick off. To move touchbacks to the 25 discourage returns begs the question. Why kick off in the first place?!? It is one of the most exciting plays particularly the opening kickoff that is now worthless.. Win the toss, take the ball at the 20 if you defer your opponent get the ball at the 20... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Life Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 The kickoff will be gone within 5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 40 minutes ago, KRL said: The NFL wants to eliminate the kick off to improve player safety. But by moving a touchback to the 25 it's going to have the opposite effect. Now instead of the kicker putting the ball through the end zone, teams will have the kicker try to place the ball at the 1 yard line. Why??? So that the kicking team has a chance to tackle the receiving team inside the 25!!! You will now have more "violent collisions" The law of unintended consequences. Good point. Looks like a move made by checkers players not chess players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybroome Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 9 minutes ago, Jet Life said: The kickoff will be gone within 5 years Wouldn't be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Yeah might as well just give the ball to the team at the 20 yard line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Two hand touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Hey, we stink at special teams, so anything that makes them less important is good for us.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 hour ago, KRL said: The NFL wants to eliminate the kick off to improve player safety. But by moving a touchback to the 25 it's going to have the opposite effect. Now instead of the kicker putting the ball through the end zone, teams will have the kicker try to place the ball at the 1 yard line. Why??? So that the kicking team has a chance to tackle the receiving team inside the 25!!! You will now have more "violent collisions" Totally agree. The league's thinking here is backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 hour ago, KRL said: The NFL wants to eliminate the kick off to improve player safety. But by moving a touchback to the 25 it's going to have the opposite effect. Now instead of the kicker putting the ball through the end zone, teams will have the kicker try to place the ball at the 1 yard line. Why??? So that the kicking team has a chance to tackle the receiving team inside the 25!!! You will now have more "violent collisions" The league is not thinking very clearly. They want teams to choose to take touchbacks, and so are making them more and more advantageous. But this is a game. The more advantageous they make touchbacks, the less likely that the *kicking team* will want to allow the receiving team to take them. Unless there's some asymmetry in the rules, there's no way they can make it so that the receiving team really wants to take a touchback, while at the same time the kicking team really wants to kick it into the endzone. As others have said, they should just eliminate the kickoff, and start at the 25. Though then you'd have to do something special to allow onsides kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 See how this plays out for a few years & reevaluate then... I personally would disagree with eliminating the kickoff altogether.... this is Football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Dude Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Jet Life said: The kickoff will be gone within 5 years Doubt it... what are teams going to about onsides kicks? Can't get rid of those, huge part of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 55 minutes ago, jetsons said: See how this plays out for a few years & reevaluate then... I personally would disagree with eliminating the kickoff altogether.... this is Football. And yet they're doing all they can to eliminate one of the few plays in the game that involves a foot contacting the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, The Green Dude said: Doubt it... what are teams going to about onsides kicks? Can't get rid of those, huge part of the game. I think you can still choose. Choose to onside kick, or choose for the opponent to get the ball starting on the 20 or 25 yard line. The huge part of the game that gets eliminated are long kick returns (particularly those returned for TDs outright). A team scores a TD or a FG, and now there's no chance of a huge momentum swing back the other way on the ensuing KO. If you put 7 go-ahead points on the board with a minute or less left, and now you know the other team must go a full 75 yards on offense on the next drive to catch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 This sport and league are starting to become really boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 2 hours ago, sourceworx said: Why can't they just leave the ******* rules alone? Because having your product sit out with injuries doesnt really help sell the game? Paying tons of money while waiting for your product to develop only to see it damaged forever is hardly good for business. Players keep getting bigger, faster and stronger than before. Need new rules to protect them from themselves as the players, the game and the risks change. You know even if a handful of fans get weird over protecting players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Dude Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: I think you can still choose. Choose to onside kick, or choose for the opponent to get the ball starting on the 20 or 25 yard line. The huge part of the game that gets eliminated are long kick returns (particularly those returned for TDs outright). A team scores a TD or a FG, and now there's no chance of a huge momentum swing back the other way on the ensuing KO. If you put 7 go-ahead points on the board with a minute or less left, and now you know the other team must go a full 75 yards on offense on the next drive to catch up. The problem with that, sometimes the onsides kick is an element of surprise. Teams can line up as they are doing a normal kickoff in an attempt to fool the opposition. Try to think back of that game against the Bills with Chad Morton's return for TD's, esp the OT one. I was present for that game and we basically lose that game by 2TD's without them. Plus, seeing the player break those tackles and run it in for a TD is probably one of the most exciting plays in football to watch. Leave the damn kickoffs haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Dude Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-jets/0ap3000000576510/What-Comes-Next-Bills-vs-Jets-2002 Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 6 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: And yet they're doing all they can to eliminate one of the few plays in the game that involves a foot contacting the ball. LOL they could just call it soccer so the USA can align with the rest of the world on the definition of a football game http://www.bbc.com/sport/football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 The NFL is ass-backwards. They keep coming up with nonsense like this when they really should be incorporating the "rouge" from the CFL to force returns from the end zone on kick-offs, punts and missed field goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 9 hours ago, Beerfish said: Two hand touch. Touching someone is sexual harassment at work. Flag football instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 7 hours ago, The Green Dude said: The problem with that, sometimes the onsides kick is an element of surprise. Teams can line up as they are doing a normal kickoff in an attempt to fool the opposition. Try to think back of that game against the Bills with Chad Morton's return for TD's, esp the OT one. I was present for that game and we basically lose that game by 2TD's without them. Plus, seeing the player break those tackles and run it in for a TD is probably one of the most exciting plays in football to watch. Leave the damn kickoffs haha + 1 ... See New Orleans Saints - Super Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 What would you guys think about eliminating the kickoff completely, and replacing it with a punt from your own 40? More returns, fewer injuries, more returns for TD's so instead of taking one of the most exciting plays out of the game, you're adding more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Stupid rule. No matter what they do; they will not orecent injuries, confusions, etc. They are making millions of money by sacrificing their lives. Let these guys ******* play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 8 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: This sport and league are starting to become really boring. Agreed. No special teams. No breathing on the QB. Passing the ball is everything. No playing defense on the WRs. Basically it's arena football - which is a sport I used to make fun of. The NFL is getting awfully close to being ruined. I watched less NFL last year than I probably ever had. It's not that I don't enjoy football either. I still enjoy watching old school football (1980's in particular) on YouTube. The game is vastly different today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Next they'll start renaming the penalties to stuff like "illegal person downfield", "Too many people on the field", etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 8 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: I think you can still choose. Choose to onside kick, or choose for the opponent to get the ball starting on the 20 or 25 yard line. The huge part of the game that gets eliminated are long kick returns (particularly those returned for TDs outright). A team scores a TD or a FG, and now there's no chance of a huge momentum swing back the other way on the ensuing KO. If you put 7 go-ahead points on the board with a minute or less left, and now you know the other team must go a full 75 yards on offense on the next drive to catch up. One thing that is missing from last year's XP rule change is the fake PAT where they go for 2 instead. Hard to imagine anyone is going to do that with the kick at that distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony The Wiz Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 That's what happens when you let lawyers run the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Life Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 19 hours ago, The Green Dude said: Doubt it... what are teams going to about onsides kicks? Can't get rid of those, huge part of the game. Offenses would start at the 20 or 25, id guess.. I agree that would be stupid but nothing would surprise me anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 23 hours ago, KRL said: The NFL wants to eliminate the kick off to improve player safety. But by moving a touchback to the 25 it's going to have the opposite effect. Now instead of the kicker putting the ball through the end zone, teams will have the kicker try to place the ball at the 1 yard line. Why??? So that the kicking team has a chance to tackle the receiving team inside the 25!!! You will now have more "violent collisions" Further proof of Goodell's ineptitude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Aren't punt returns even more dangerous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 On 3/23/2016 at 10:27 AM, KRL said: The NFL wants to eliminate the kick off to improve player safety. But by moving a touchback to the 25 it's going to have the opposite effect. Now instead of the kicker putting the ball through the end zone, teams will have the kicker try to place the ball at the 1 yard line. Why??? So that the kicking team has a chance to tackle the receiving team inside the 25!!! You will now have more "violent collisions" Exactly. This is full circle. The game was fine the old way and they changed it. If that was really for player safety that is great. Then just leave it the boring way that it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 25 minutes ago, prime21 said: Aren't punt returns even more dangerous? How would we know, we haven't seen one here in 4 years. (Insert Jeremy Kerley Smiley Here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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