jamesr Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 21 minutes ago, jack48 said: Skrine cannot cover anybody from any position. I take him off the field. He would commit penalties covering a high school wideout. Guy has Cleveland-itis. As fr the rest, I don't know. Skrine stands out as terrible. The rest of the D? Guys who should be playing great are playing meh. Maybe it is the scheme itself. Our blitzers never get there. Their blitzers do. Our pass rush up front gets handled. Maybe we do not have the talent we think we do? We never seem to have the kind of blitzers that other teams do. I realize we don't draft pass rushing LBs of any note, but our secondary guys also suck at getting in there. With our secondary cover talent we simply have to move the QBs feet. Or put him on his ass. Last year I recall we sent Skrine on a few blitzes and that worked well. I guess with him plying outside that's harder to do, so if he does go back to nickle full time, we should try him on blitzes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 8 hours ago, T0mShane said: LCB: Juston Burris RCB: Darrelle Revis Nickel: Buster Skrine FS: Marcus Williams SS: Calvin Pryor ROLB: Catapano LOLB: Jordan Jenkins MLB: David Harris RDE: Sheldon Richardson DT: Leo Williams NT: McClendon LDE: Mo Wilkerson Darron Lee plays on third downs. Marcus Gilchrist is a non-entity. Sheldon Richardson never lines in a two point stance again. I'm also giving Darryl Roberts every chance to take Skrine's job. Skrine sucks. Catapano is a bad fit as an OLB in a 4-3 defense. Darron Lee would actually fit well there. Other than that, I agree with everything else that you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Pryor, I hope. Pryor didn't look bad against the cardinals who would you play in his place?Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 7 hours ago, T0mShane said: It sucks that Sheldon isn't producing this year and has limited trade value. It'd be a great opportunity to trade him at the deadline for a pick or two. He'd be a nice fit on a bunch of teams. Wasted here. My LBs thing is rooted in being annoyed with Lee and Mauldin, to be honest. Lee because I didn't like the pick and he's been predictable: small, bullied at the point of attack, sucks in coverage, makes a splash play once a game when he's unblocked, and now he's hurt. They couldn't have gotten this in the third or fourth round? Imagine if we would have taken the Cowboys trade offer so they could nab Lynch, where would Dak Prescott be starting, Denver? Maybe still sitting on someone's bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 1 hour ago, jamesr said: Last year I recall we sent Skrine on a few blitzes and that worked well. I guess with him plying outside that's harder to do, so if he does go back to nickle full time, we should try him on blitzes again. If you're paying a corner over 6 million dollars a year annually who can only be effective in the slot and even then isn't very good at coverage, but maybe he's a good blitzer then you've definitely paid far too much for a below average player. That's on Mac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: If you're paying a corner over 6 million dollars a year annually who can only be effective in the slot and even then isn't very good at coverage, but maybe he's a good blitzer then you've definitely paid far too much for a below average player. That's on Mac. Or $12M for the worst player at his position in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 9 hours ago, Happy Clouds said: Don't think Pryor nessesarily needs to be benched. Just needs to play more in the box like he did last year. That's where he is most effective. This year, Bowles has been using him like Rex did, way too much in coverage. Gotta play to his strength. But that's why they got Lee - so the SS can be more in coverage. Honestly, Mac has put together a mess... Talent but can't be used properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Can't sit anyone at the LB position until we get healthy. I think it's Marcus Williams and Pryor. Burris needs the playing time, I have no idea why this has taken so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Clouds Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 But that's why they got Lee - so the SS can be more in coverage. Honestly, Mac has put together a mess... Talent but can't be used properly. I hear what you are saying. However, Bowles needs to take a big part of the blame as well. He was smart enough to realize that Pryor couldn't cover, so he used him at the line more. It was said at the time, that Bowles loved Lee at the draft and really wanted him. So if their plan all along was to use the SS in coverage more, that plan was doomed from the outset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 2 hours ago, jack48 said: Skrine cannot cover anybody from any position. I take him off the field. He would commit penalties covering a high school wideout. Guy has Cleveland-itis. As fr the rest, I don't know. Skrine stands out as terrible. The rest of the D? Guys who should be playing great are playing meh. Maybe it is the scheme itself. Our blitzers never get there. Their blitzers do. Our pass rush up front gets handled. Maybe we do not have the talent we think we do? We never seem to have the kind of blitzers that other teams do. I realize we don't draft pass rushing LBs of any note, but our secondary guys also suck at getting in there. With our secondary cover talent we simply have to move the QBs feet. Or put him on his ass. Been telling everyone - we're not as talented as people around here think we are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 11 minutes ago, Happy Clouds said: I hear what you are saying. However, Bowles needs to take a big part of the blame as well. He was smart enough to realize that Pryor couldn't cover, so he used him at the line more. It was said at the time, that Bowles loved Lee at the draft and really wanted him. So if their plan all along was to use the SS in coverage more, that plan was doomed from the outset agreed....that's what's concerning about this management in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Skrine is awful, i warned ya'll about him having to play legit corner, he can't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 9 hours ago, August said: Either rotate the linemen or move to a 4-3. I hope Roberts and Harris gets more reps at CB. I do like the idea of Marcus Williams playing FS. Williams cannot play safety, he did it vs Oakland last year and was horrific. He tackles like a weak little kitten. Skrine is strictly a slot corner. Roberts and Burris need some more PT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 With the lack of talent we have on defense outside of the D-Line I don't think it matters. But a shakeup is definitely not a bad idea. I'd guess that Skrine is being demoted to being strictly a Nickel back, which is where he belongs. Maybe Williams is moved to the dime and Burris is starting opposite Revis. I don't know if we can afford to keep starting Pryor when our secondary is so poor in pass coverage. Hopefully they put Sheldon on the line way more than he has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, Barkus said: Williams cannot play safety, he did it vs Oakland last year and was horrific. He tackles like a weak little kitten. Skrine is strictly a slot corner. Roberts and Burris need some more PT. I forgot about Oakland. So much for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 2 hours ago, jamesr said: Last year I recall we sent Skrine on a few blitzes and that worked well. I guess with him plying outside that's harder to do, so if he does go back to nickle full time, we should try him on blitzes again. I remember that. He did seem quick and direct on those blitzes. Toobad he is not big enough to play OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 like to see miles get some more pt as well. it would be nice seeing antiono allen every once in a while too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 12 hours ago, Jack Straw said: I'm guessing Skrine goes back into the slot, Burris goes outside, and Pryor finds his way to the bench. We start rotating Sheldon/Wilkerson/Williams and go back to the 3-4 with Mauldin playing rush OLB. I'd like to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 This team is too slow in the front seven for how talented they are overall. Playing four defensive tackles, no matter how good they are, is asking for trouble. Asking defensive linemen to play almost 100% of the snaps is a disaster waiting to happen as well. This is what I think makes the most sense: LDE - Wilkerson DT - Richardson DT - Williams RDE - Jordan Jenkins SLB - Henderson MLB - Harris WLB - Lee CB - Revis SS - Pryor FS - Gilchrist CB - Burris Rotate more defensively. This defense has good players. Heavily rotate McLendon in with Wilkerson, Richardson, and Williams to keep guys fresh. Move those guys around. I think any of Wilkerson/Richardson/Henderson could play LDE. Keep teams off balanced, energize your guys by putting them in different snaps. Get Jarvis Jenkins in the game some as well and Simon situationally in run heavy situations. I like Jordan Jenkins - he's heavy handed and can set the edge against the run. His flexibility to stand up or play hand in the dirt should allow them to easily switch between 3-4 and 4-3 looks in certain situations. There's no issue with getting Catapano and Mauldin in the game for snaps at right end either though. Make someone win that job. Catapano and Mauldin should both get situational edge rushing snaps too. Passing downs why not go a 3-4 look with Wilkerson/Richardson/Williams and two of those guys on the edge? Nickel situations you can easily take Henderson off of the field I think. Harris or Lee can come off in dime packages. In theory you can take a defensive lineman off too. The secondary is a disaster. Let someone win a job. I'm fine sitting Pryor if they're comfortable with that. Roberts, Burris, or Williams is fine at corner. Let the young guys play. Almost like Roberts more than Burris. None of those guys is so clearly better than anyone else I like playing guys match up wise as well. Roberts probably has the best speed/length combo - play him more against a team with deep threats. Burris is a good option for possession receivers. I almost like Williams more in nickel as I think he's less likely to get burnt deep by a slot receiver and getting him towards the middle of the field may give him more opportunities to use his instincts and get his hands on some balls. Obviously little to none of this actually happens, but it's what I want to see. Give the young corners a shot and get faster in the front seven. Little tweaks here and there. That front four I listed above seems small based on how the Jets have been playing - it's actually huge for a 4-3 defensive line. We've got the right guys to play fast - we just play too many of them together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 12 hours ago, Jack Straw said: I'm guessing Skrine goes back into the slot, Burris goes outside, and Pryor finds his way to the bench. We start rotating Sheldon/Wilkerson/Williams and go back to the 3-4 with Mauldin playing rush OLB. Move Pryor back to SS and don't dare have him in coverage ever again. F**k trying to disguise things. Play to his strength for Pete's sake. Bowles is being too cute by a long shot with Pryor. Otherwise I agree with the above and see it as the the correct and proven winning formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I think we need to try a 4-3 D at this point we stink against the run and we cant defend the pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: But that's why they got Lee - so the SS can be more in coverage. Honestly, Mac has put together a mess... Talent but can't be used properly. This might possibly be on Mac but I tend to think it's more on Bowles and his scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 13 hours ago, RoadFan said: Pryor, I hope. Bring back Ed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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