Report: Jets set to meet with QB Josh McCown

[Jetster]

Are our fans brainless? You have to have a competent vet if your going to start newbies. He's there as a mentor, and if everyone sh*ts the bed. I get it that some of you want to tank the season but the 53 guys on this roster & the coaching staff next year are showing up to play & try to win games. Could you imagine a HOFer like Kevin Green telling his guys, hey, back off a little, we're playing for higher pick next year, lol, GTFOOH!

[Pcola]

44 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

McCown will get us 6 wins, if you want to tank properly we let the young QB's start and draft a guy in the later rounds.

He's won 2 of his his last 22 starts.  Not sure what makes our roster any better than those Bucs/Browns teams, let alone 3 times better.

2017 is going to be the rebuild we should have done in 2012.  As long as they don't half-ass it, we'll be set at QB for the foreseeable future.

[Pcola]

27 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

Manish Mehta‏Verified account @MMehtaNYDN  13m13 minutes ago

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Source: Free agent QB Josh McCown visiting the @nyjets this weekend. Job appears to be his if he wants it... http://nydn.us/2nPl9xk 

Well if this statement comes to fruition, none of these QBs will be on our roster August, 2018.

[NoBowles]

I wanted no part of Fitzpatrick when they traded for him, and I dislike this even more. He will cost us a few games and Darnold. Makes zero sense. 

[JetsFanatic]

2 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

I wanted no part of Fitzpatrick when they traded for him, and I dislike this even more. He will cost us a few games and Darnold. Makes zero sense. 

McCown is the type of QB you sign when you are going with the young QBs. He is strictly insurance.

[NoBowles]

1 minute ago, JetsFanatic said:

McCown is the type of QB you sign when you are going with the young QBs. He is strictly insurance.

If Bowles wasn't coaching for his job, I'd agree. But it's just about guaranteed Bowles will start him sooner rather than later.

[section314]

3 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

McCown is the type of QB you sign when you are going with the young QBs. He is strictly insurance.

Stated perfectly.

[Tinstar]

3 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

I wanted no part of Fitzpatrick when they traded for him, and I dislike this even more. He will cost us a few games and Darnold. Makes zero sense. 

What makes even less sense is not wanting a  QB you think clearly stinks, when all you want to do is tank for the chance to draft another QB because you're afraid he might win . If this team is as full of Jags as so many fans think, and are led by an old less than Jag QB, how do they even stand a chance ?  According to what is posted around here about this team, the vast majority of you should be rejoicing at the signing of a worst than Fitz jag who would guarantee a top 3 pick .

[jamesr]

11 hours ago, rangerous said:

behold mccown.  seems like more of a hard luck guy than a complete slug. he was good enough during the past 4 seasons to win way more than he did.  at the very least it wasn't his fault the bucs, browns and bears su**ed. maybe he needs to get on a team with a different letter.  at his age he just about right to get hack into the starting role and keep him there. i still can't get the picture of him being a helicopter in the jets/browns game in 2015 out of my head.

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Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
2002	23	ARI		12	2	0		7	18	38.9	66	0	0.0	2	11.1	26	3.7	-1.3	9.4	33.0	10.2		5	50	0.70	-3.22	21.7			0
2003	24	ARI	qb	12	8	3	1-2-0	95	166	57.2	1018	5	3.0	6	3.6	60	6.1	5.1	10.7	127.3	70.3		25	174	4.42	3.53	13.1	1	1	3
2004	25	ARI	QB	12	14	13	6-7-0	233	408	57.1	2511	11	2.7	10	2.5	48	6.2	5.6	10.8	179.4	74.1		31	263	5.12	4.60	7.1	2	2	7
2005	26	ARI	qb	12	9	6	3-3-0	163	270	60.4	1836	9	3.3	11	4.1	49	6.8	5.6	11.3	204.0	74.9		18	101	6.02	4.93	6.3			5
2006	27	DET		12	2	0		0	0		0	0		0		0				0.0			0	0						0
2007	28	OAK	QB	12	9	9	2-7-0	111	190	58.4	1151	10	5.3	11	5.8	46	6.1	4.5	10.4	127.9	69.4	32.2	14	92	5.19	3.75	6.9			1
2008	29	CAR		12	2	0		0	0		0	0		0		0				0.0		6.1	0	0						0
2009	30	CAR		12	1	0		1	6	16.7	2	0	0.0	0	0.0	2	0.3	0.3	2.0	2.0	39.6	2.7	1	6	-0.57	-0.57	14.3			0
2011	32	CHI	qb	15	3	2	1-1-0	35	55	63.6	414	2	3.6	4	7.3	49	7.5	5.0	11.8	138.0	68.3	36.2	7	43	5.98	3.73	11.3			2
2012	33	CHI		12				0	0		0	0		0		0							0	0				0	0	0
2013	34	CHI	qb	12	8	5	3-2-0	149	224	66.5	1829	13	5.8	1	0.4	80	8.2	9.1	12.3	228.6	109.0	84.5	11	37	7.63	8.54	4.7	1	1	8
2014	35	TAM	QB	12	11	11	1-10-0	184	327	56.3	2206	11	3.4	14	4.3	56	6.7	5.5	12.0	200.5	70.5	37.5	36	235	5.43	4.30	9.9			4
2015	36	CLE	QB	13	8	8	1-7-0	186	292	63.7	2109	12	4.1	4	1.4	56	7.2	7.4	11.3	263.6	93.3	56.1	23	137	6.26	6.45	7.3	1	1	5
2016	37	CLE	qb	13	5	3	0-3-0	90	165	54.5	1100	6	3.6	6	3.6	54	6.7	5.8	12.2	220.0	72.3	35.1	18	126	5.32	4.50	9.8			1
Career					82	60	18-42-0	1254	2121	59.1	14242	79	3.7	69	3.3	80	6.7	6.0	11.4	173.7	78.2		189	1264	5.62	4.96	8.2	5	5	36
4 yrs		ARI			33	22	10-12-0	498	862	57.8	5431	25	2.9	29	3.4	60	6.3	5.4	10.9	164.6	72.1		79	588	5.15	4.29	8.4	3	3	15
3 yrs		CHI			11	7	4-3-0	184	279	65.9	2243	15	5.4	5	1.8	80	8.0	8.3	12.2	203.9	101.0		18	80	7.28	7.54	6.1	1	1	10
2 yrs		CAR			3	0		1	6	16.7	2	0	0.0	0	0.0	2	0.3	0.3	2.0	0.7	39.6		1	6	-0.57	-0.57	14.3			0
2 yrs		CLE			13	11	1-10-0	276	457	60.4	3209	18	3.9	10	2.2	56	7.0	6.8	11.6	246.8	85.7		41	263	5.92	5.73	8.2	1	1	6
1 yr		DET			2	0		0	0		0	0		0		0				0.0			0	0						0
1 yr		OAK			9	9	2-7-0	111	190	58.4	1151	10	5.3	11	5.8	46	6.1	4.5	10.4	127.9	69.4		14	92	5.19	3.75	6.9			1
1 yr		TAM			11	11	1-10-0	184	327	56.3	2206	11	3.4	14	4.3	56	6.7	5.5	12.0	200.5	70.5		36	235	5.43	4.30	9.9			4

So you're saying he's nothing more than a 6 win QB?

I sense an epic thread coming up ...  

[prime21]

Am I missing something?  McCown SUCKS!!!!!!  We should sign him to go with our young guys who aren't very good.  It's a Lose Lose for us.

[j4jets]

How the fcuk do we survive 16 weeks watching the Jets? Thank god for the bye wk though!

[JetPotato]

Being old doesn't qualify someone as a good mentor. Experience means little without some success as a part of it.

[Charlie Brown]

3 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

If Hack fails to impress enough this year to dress on game days or even get any playing time, why would he still have 2018 to impress? How many years should a player get before you cut bait? New England has no problem cutting high draft picks when they've seen enough. I understand Hack is a project, but I'm not sure why he gets all of the leash he's being given by some here. 

I was actually for the drafting of Hack and I understood that last year was a red shirt year but the Jets blew his development by having four QBs on the team.

IMO you don't develop anybody, especially at the QB position, by not giving them even meaningful practice reps for most of the season. Yes it has been reported that Hack improved but he would have made significantly more improvement with greater practice reps which he was denied.  I'm not saying he should have started but I am saying he needed more reps.

Now the Jets are facing the quandary that you in fact mention in your post whereby this year is Hack's real rookie year in terms of genuine development.  

I still believe that Hack can be a very good QB for the Jets but we have to develop him properly.  

[Pcola]

3 minutes ago, j4jets said:

How the fcuk do we survive 16 weeks watching the Jets? Thank god for the bye wk though!

I think it will compare with the 2009 team. Only instead of the #1 defense, it will be middle of the pack.

Oh and instead of #1 running game, it will be middle of the pack, maybe worse than that.

Well probably need to add that our QB will be even worse than what we got out of Sanchez as a rookie.

And the HC was probably a little better at coaching up the D.

So to summarize, just like 2009 only much worse defense and running game, and worse offense (didn't think this was possible).

[section314]

3 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

Being old doesn't qualify someone as a good mentor. Experience means little without some success as a part of it.

Agree with you on the age/mentor point, very true. But if you look at his career numbers, they aren't horrible. 

[rangerous]

24 minutes ago, jamesr said:

So you're saying he's nothing more than a 6 win QB?

I sense an epic thread coming up ...  

i don't think so.  i think he'd be a reasonable choice to back up hack or petty. and if he does go into a game, he's not going to lose it.

[Flushing Roots]

6 minutes ago, Pcola said:

I think it will compare with the 2009 team. Only instead of the #1 defense, it will be middle of the pack.

Oh and instead of #1 running game, it will be middle of the pack, maybe worse than that.

Well probably need to add that our QB will be even worse than what we got out of Sanchez as a rookie.

And the HC was probably a little better at coaching up the D.

So to summarize, just like 2009 only much worse defense and running game, and worse offense (didn't think this was possible).

My expectations are low this year so any upside will be good.

[NYDreamer]

Interesting that he is the target compared to a Chase Daniel.  If we are going into the season with Hackenberg or Petty starting, this kind of gives a clearer picture on what they might be looking for in the draft Fournette or Williams.  Surround a young QB with playmakers to take the pressure off.

[JetPotato]

7 minutes ago, section314 said:

Agree with you on the age/mentor point, very true. But if you look at his career numbers, they aren't horrible. 

I'm sick of "not horrible" being the goal.

By the way, 18 wins in 60 career starts. That is pretty horrible.

[Mogglez]

14 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

I'm sick of "not horrible" being the goal.

By the way, 18 wins in 60 career starts. That is pretty horrible.

Right, but if Hack doesn't work out it sounds like a one way ticket to 

or

[section314]

21 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

I'm sick of "not horrible" being the goal.

By the way, 18 wins in 60 career starts. That is pretty horrible.

I was referring to your point that to be a mentor to young guys that it would be good to have had some success. McCown has. 

[HighPitch]

This is retarted at this stage of the game. 

We need to draft a qb with the 6. 

[CrazyCarl40]

44 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

I was actually for the drafting of Hack and I understood that last year was a red shirt year but the Jets blew his development by having four QBs on the team.

IMO you don't develop anybody, especially at the QB position, by not giving them even meaningful practice reps for most of the season. Yes it has been reported that Hack improved but he would have made significantly more improvement with greater practice reps which he was denied.  I'm not saying he should have started but I am saying he needed more reps.

Now the Jets are facing the quandary that you in fact mention in your post whereby this year is Hack's real rookie year in terms of genuine development.  

I still believe that Hack can be a very good QB for the Jets but we have to develop him properly.  

I don't think anyone can "develop" Hack properly probably ever. Especially not the staff and management in place. That's a fools errand. 

[j4jets]

42 minutes ago, Pcola said:

I think it will compare with the 2009 team. Only instead of the #1 defense, it will be middle of the pack.

Oh and instead of #1 running game, it will be middle of the pack, maybe worse than that.

Well probably need to add that our QB will be even worse than what we got out of Sanchez as a rookie.

And the HC was probably a little better at coaching up the D.

So to summarize, just like 2009 only much worse defense and running game, and worse offense (didn't think this was possible).

So what you're saying is we'll be like 2009, but we won't be anything like 2009. Knew it!

[Villain The Foe]

1 hour ago, Tinstar said:

He's a mentor type QB and IMO, the best 1 on the market . He starts only if the Kiddy core doesn't give the staff a reason to start them . It's going to have to be a really good reason. This guy knows his job, but he won't accept it without a proper compensation . The Vet minimum is not proper compensation for what he provides . 

Every crappy QB is a "mentor QB". What does that even mean? Fitzpatrick was a mentor QB...now McCown is a mentor QB. This "Mentor QB" statement is just sh*t Jets fans tell themselves in order to accept the buffoonery by this organization for moves similar to this. To prove this, Fitz was a "Mentor QB" in which Bryce had 2 years to be mentored along with Hack's 1 year. It's year 3 for Bryce, what more "mentoring" must this guy get from other QB's who've not established anything in this league in order to be considered "mentors"? Outside of being a professional, what can McCown really bring, and more importantly is it worth him being on the 53? I highly doubt it, especially after allegedly having 2 years of Fitz playing that role which only amounted to the "kiddy core" needing Josh McCown as another "mentor". Obviously the statement is meaningless. "The Mentor" Fitz for example got in front of the media and pointed the finger at the organization for benching him for his poor performance as well as the locker room as a whole becoming a circus last season while he was the QB. Winning 

 

As for the "vet minimum", this goes beyond what you think he's worth. We dont need a quarterback like him given the Jets QB situation. It's not like we have a more established QB and we need a serviceable back up. We dont need him possibly taking away starting reps for guys who we need to see. This is what happened to Geno Smith the last two years and he left with Jets not knowing what he could possibly bring to the table. That "mentor QB" sh*t only flies but so far. Since the Jets passed on Glennon they should either put the 3rd year guy in, the 2nd year guy in as well as draft another QB. Im getting tired of wasting time with QB's where the best thing that you can say about them has nothing to do with their game on the field. "mentor QB". Again, what does that even mean? The Jets need a quarterback, not a mentor for the QB's currently on the roster. The "kiddy" aspect of their development should be over and done with. It's time for Bryce Petty and Hackenberg to compete for the job since the Jets decided that Glennon was to rich of a contract to take on. Bryce has 2 years left on his contract, if he wins the competition then we have a maximum of 2 years to see what he can do, considering that he does well this season. If not we can then see Hack in his 3rd year.  The winner of that competition starts with the 3rd rookie QB being "mentored" by the QB's currently on the roster. Let some other team pay McCown above vet minimum to be a mentor. Jets fans should have had enough of that with Ryan Fitzpatrick....but this fanbase seems to be heavily into S&M lol. 

Im getting tired of the Jets making stupid ass decisions like this. Im not making excuses for this sh*t such as "mentoring". McCown can take that mentoring label and go kick rocks somewhere else. 

[Pcola]

34 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Right, but if Hack doesn't work out it sounds like a one way ticket to 

or

Another QB to keep an eye is Josh Allen, Wyoming.  Wyoming head coach came from North Dakota St and coached Carson Wentz.  Allen is 6'5 220 and very mobile.  One scout claimed he would be top 3 pick back in early January before he decided to return to school.

while Darnold is the prize, the Jets won't have to scramble if he stays in school.  My guess is that if Darnold stays, Rosen will come out and vice versa.  So I think there will still be 2 QBs at the top of the draft.

Right now Anthlon's draft guide has Allen ranked higher than Rosen.

[Tinstar]

3 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Every crappy QB is a "mentor QB". What does that even mean? Fitzpatrick was a mentor QB...now McCown is a mentor QB. This "Mentor QB" statement is just sh*t Jets fans tell themselves in order to accept the buffoonery by this organization for moves similar to this. To prove this, Fitz was a "Mentor QB" in which Bryce had 2 years to be mentored along with Hack's 1 year. It's year 3 for Bryce, what more "mentoring" must this guy get from other QB's who've not established anything in this league in order to be considered "mentors"? Outside of being a professional, what can McCown really bring, and more importantly is it worth him being on the 53? I highly doubt it, especially after allegedly having 2 years of Fitz playing that role which only amounted to the "kiddy core" needing Josh McCown as another "mentor". Obviously the statement is meaningless. "The Mentor" Fitz for example got in front of the media and pointed the finger at the organization for benching him for his poor performance as well as the locker room as a whole becoming a circus last season while he was the QB. Winning 

 

As for the "vet minimum", this goes beyond what you think he's worth. We dont need a quarterback like him given the Jets QB situation. It's not like we have a more established QB and we need a serviceable back up. We dont need him possibly taking away starting reps for guys who we need to see. This is what happened to Geno Smith the last two years and he left with Jets not knowing what he could possibly bring to the table. That "mentor QB" sh*t only flies but so far. Since the Jets passed on Glennon they should either put the 3rd year guy in, the 2nd year guy in as well as draft another QB. Im getting tired of wasting time with QB's where the best thing that you can say about them has nothing to do with their game on the field. "mentor QB". Again, what does that even mean? The Jets need a quarterback, not a mentor for the QB's currently on the roster. The "kiddy" aspect of their development should be over and done with. It's time for Bryce Petty and Hackenberg to compete for the job since the Jets decided that Glennon was to rich of a contract to take on. Bryce has 2 years left on his contract, if he wins the competition then we have a maximum of 2 years to see what he can do, considering that he does well this season. If not we can then see Hack in his 3rd year.  The winner of that competition starts with the 3rd rookie QB being "mentored" by the QB's currently on the roster. Let some other team pay McCown above vet minimum to be a mentor. Jets fans should have had enough of that with Ryan Fitzpatrick....but this fanbase seems to be heavily into S&M lol. 

Im getting tired of the Jets making stupid ass decisions like this. Im not making excuses for this sh*t such as "mentoring". McCown can take that mentoring label and go kick rocks somewhere else. 

If Fitzpatrick was a mentor type, when he was benched for Geno, he would never have said what he said about the coaches and the front office . Geno Smith's attitude doesn't make him a mentor . It's funny, but Mark Sanchez is a mentor for all the reasons Jay cutler is not .

No Beloved, every veteran is not a mentor .

[MDL_JET]

1 hour ago, NoBowles said:

I wanted no part of Fitzpatrick when they traded for him, and I dislike this even more. He will cost us a few games and Darnold. Makes zero sense. 

Didn't the last 3 teams McCown played for ended up with the 1st overall pick the following year?

[Tinstar]

19 minutes ago, Pcola said:

Another QB to keep an eye is Josh Allen, Wyoming.  Wyoming head coach came from North Dakota St and coached Carson Wentz.  Allen is 6'5 220 and very mobile.  One scout claimed he would be top 3 pick back in early January before he decided to return to school.

while Darnold is the prize, the Jets won't have to scramble if he stays in school.  My guess is that if Darnold stays, Rosen will come out and vice versa.  So I think there will still be 2 QBs at the top of the draft.

Right now Anthlon's draft guide has Allen ranked higher than Rosen.

It would be nice to know exactly how old that kid actually is . 

[flgreen]

18 minutes ago, Pcola said:

Another QB to keep an eye is Josh Allen, Wyoming.  Wyoming head coach came from North Dakota St and coached Carson Wentz.  Allen is 6'5 220 and very mobile.  One scout claimed he would be top 3 pick back in early January before he decided to return to school.

while Darnold is the prize, the Jets won't have to scramble if he stays in school.  My guess is that if Darnold stays, Rosen will come out and vice versa.  So I think there will still be 2 QBs at the top of the draft.

Right now Anthlon's draft guide has Allen ranked higher than Rosen.

Their draft is over a year away.  Anything can happen during a season, ask Bryce Petty.  My guess is if all of them continue to have good/great Junior years, and look like top 5 picks at the end of the season, they would be fools to not move to the NFL.

IMO you are also correct on Allen.  He's a guy to keep an eye on next season.  If things play out they way they look like they could, the 18 draft could have QB's at 1-2-3.  

[Villain The Foe]

45 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

If Fitzpatrick was a mentor type, when he was benched for Geno, he would never have said what he said about the coaches and the front office . Geno Smith's attitude doesn't make him a mentor . It's funny, but Mark Sanchez is a mentor for all the reasons Jay cutler is not .

No Beloved, every veteran is not a mentor .

Yeah, that perspective was certainly after the fact. Before the shenanigans he was considered a mentor to Bryce but not Geno given that Geno was already a "lost-cause" by jets fans. This is what Jets fans said. He suddenly wasnt the mentor type the moment he said what he said about the Jets coaching staff and front office. Remember, this was the same guy that Jets fans wanted to have sign a multi-year contract so he can be there to mentor the "kids". Lets not pretend like Fitz wasnt given the "mentor" label. 

 

Like I said, it's always the excuse to accept the buffoonery. I guess we should sign McCown now given that he's a "true" mentor? Lets be serious here. This is the REAL reason why Jets fans would even consider this. 
 

The reason? Sam Darnold and the fact that he'd d(McCown) be cheap. 
 

McCown was the QB/mentor of the Tampa Bay Bucs the year they earned the #1 pick in the draft (Jameis Winston). 

McCown was the QB/mentor for the Browns this year and they've earned the #1 pick in the draft this season. 

 

This is "The Mentor's" W/L record as a starter the last 3 seasons. 

2016: 0-5

2015: 1-7

2014: 1-10

So, Jets fans want a guy because he's considered a "mentor" yet in 3 years has a record of 2-22. I guess I am also to believe that his ability is worth MORE than vet minimum, though he's won just 2 games in 3 years...but can surely mentor the sh*t out of back ups though! Keep living the dream bud. I'll ask the same question I did back when this excuse was put on Fitz. What QB who was mentored by McCown has become a serviceable QB in the league because of it? Dont waste your time finding that answer....its not worth it. 

 

Like I said, this mentor position is an excuse to accept buffoonery and to ultimately draft a guy that people like but probably wont be the best QB in the draft when its all said and done. 

 

If the Jets sign this guy he'll be as despised in my eyes as Ryan Fitzpatrick. I wont be supporting that move. 

 

[MaxAF]

Why do the Jets need McCown on this team. This is a professional team with pro coaches. These current QB'S have been playing football since they were just out of diapers. We have an OC and QB coach to develop the young QB's. Draft a rookie QB at some point in the draft. Throw him into the mix. Right now there are no real potential good QB FA's out there. Jet fans have had so many years of bad QB's that they settle for bottom of the barrel scrub QB's. Move on from these horse poop QB's. Until a good younger FA becomes available that can give this team some caliber in the QB spot they should go with what they have. Hack supposedly has the QB IQ and a great arm. Petty needs more work and they both need reps and real game experience in the NFL. If the Jets can't improve exponentially from there current QB situation they should go with what they have and work on an O-Line that can protect the position and give them time to make plays.

[Mogglez]

59 minutes ago, Pcola said:

Another QB to keep an eye is Josh Allen, Wyoming.  Wyoming head coach came from North Dakota St and coached Carson Wentz.  Allen is 6'5 220 and very mobile.  One scout claimed he would be top 3 pick back in early January before he decided to return to school.

while Darnold is the prize, the Jets won't have to scramble if he stays in school.  My guess is that if Darnold stays, Rosen will come out and vice versa.  So I think there will still be 2 QBs at the top of the draft.

Right now Anthlon's draft guide has Allen ranked higher than Rosen.

I like Allen too. I don't think I would personally put him above Rosen (I think there's actually a chance that a healthy Rosen passes Darnold when it's all said and done) just yet, but he's another guy to watch out for in this loaded class.  Wanna see some consistency from him this year.  Jake Browning's development will stir up some news too.  Another guy I have my eye on is Mason Rudolph.  If all of these guys continue to progress like they have been, we could be looking at 4-5 first round caliber QBs next year.

[dbatesman]

56 minutes ago, Pcola said:

Another QB to keep an eye is Josh Allen, Wyoming.  Wyoming head coach came from North Dakota St and coached Carson Wentz.  Allen is 6'5 220 and very mobile.  One scout claimed he would be top 3 pick back in early January before he decided to return to school.

while Darnold is the prize, the Jets won't have to scramble if he stays in school.  My guess is that if Darnold stays, Rosen will come out and vice versa.  So I think there will still be 2 QBs at the top of the draft.

Right now Anthlon's draft guide has Allen ranked higher than Rosen.

Just what the Jets need, another guy who couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.

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29 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I love Allen too. I don't think I would personally put him above Rosen (I think there's actually a chance that a healthy Rosen passes Darnold when it's all said and done) just yet, but he's another guy to watch out for in this loaded class.  Jake Browning's development will stir up some news too.  Another guy I have my eye on is Mason Rudolph.  If all of these guys continue to progress like they have been, we could be looking at 4-5 first round caliber QBs next year.

Agree 100%.  IMO the "Suck for Sam" hype is way over done.  Not that he's not going to be a good NFL QB, I think he is, but he's not going to be the only option in the 18 draft.  It's possible Darnold has a good season and is still the #3 QB on the board.   I still think he'd come out.  Being picked #3 in the draft is still  a lot better then going back another year, maybe getting hurt, and being the 137th pick in the 19 draft.

I also like the idea that it appears right now that the Jets are going to give their young QB's a good look this season.  Not real likely but it is possible that either Petty or Hack is a good NFL QB.  If that should play out, then maybe the Jets could draft a guy like Arden Key from LSU who, at this point, looks like he could be a game changing pass rusher.

I'm not happy to see the Jets at a major low point in talent, but IMO this is a good year to be there.