varjet Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 The Patriots, with Brady, have taken Garropolo, Brissett, Mallet and others. The Packers too Brohm. The Giants took Nassib. Good teams with great QBs take backup and future QBs in the 2nd or so round. Taking a chance on Hack there was not ridiculous on its face (unless Hack proves to be completely incapable of playing NFL QB). After a year, he should be able to walk on the field and function. We cannot underestimate how bad the Jets QB coaching (particularly for the backup QBs) has been over the last 2 years. The Buck stops with Bowles, but Gailey and Co were really not committed to doing what they were supposed to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 20 hours ago, joewilly12 said: Todd Bowles is changing how he coaches the Jets I find it ridiculous that Bowles would say this, most great NFL head coaches are control freaks that want to be involved in every aspect of the teams development. Its why I could never understand why guys like Bowles and Rex could just turn their backs on half the team. Its stupid coaching and it shows a definite lack of Passion IMHO. Sorry but you have to be stronger than that to be a successful coach in the NFL, don't let your job hang in the balance while an OC sh*t's all over himself then try to pass the buck, which is exactly what this is. Hey Todd I got news for ya start to take ownership of this team and your failures and don't trust a damn soul to do what needs to be done. Hold yourself accountable for the previous failures. In other words be a man and take control of this team or your Head Coaching career will be over after next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 6 hours ago, Beerfish said: Due diligence and smoke screen. Derp derpigence. You guys lead some really charmed lives to think anybody's got time for this sh*t. They can't coach a team and teach Hackenberg to throw at the same time but they're gonna put on the whole production for some reason other than that they're considering drafting a guy. Saying smokescreen is like declaring that it's opposite day or something. This stuff isn't real just because it's on television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 24 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: Derp derpigence. You guys lead some really charmed lives to think anybody's got time for this sh*t. They can't coach a team and teach Hackenberg to throw at the same time but they're gonna put on the whole production for some reason other than that they're considering drafting a guy. Saying smokescreen is like declaring that it's opposite day or something. This stuff isn't real just because it's on television. Did you read my whole post or did your eyes just camp down on the part that you quoted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 11 hours ago, Beerfish said: Due diligence and smoke screen. I would be shocked it they took one at 6. However strange things happen each draft and one of these dudes could fall to the 2nd round. Also as others have noted it might be smoke in our hope to trade down. Also if the Jets trade down later in the 1st round a Qb becomes more palatable, I hear that Mac likes Trubisky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 5 hours ago, varjet said: The Patriots, with Brady, have taken Garropolo, Brissett, Mallet and others. The Packers too Brohm. The Giants took Nassib. Good teams with great QBs take backup and future QBs in the 2nd or so round. Taking a chance on Hack there was not ridiculous on its face (unless Hack proves to be completely incapable of playing NFL QB). After a year, he should be able to walk on the field and function. We cannot underestimate how bad the Jets QB coaching (particularly for the backup QBs) has been over the last 2 years. The Buck stops with Bowles, but Gailey and Co were really not committed to doing what they were supposed to do. The firing of Patullo shows what the Jets thought about the development of the young QBs. Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 23 hours ago, FTL Jet Fan said: So we are taking a CB. Followed by a safety, and then a DL guy. Offense and passing the ball effectively are overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, Bugg said: Followed by a safety, and then a DL guy. Offense and passing the ball effectively are overrated. We're just getting ahead of the curve for the next football trend. If we keep drafting defense, it's got to work eventually ... hasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Please no players with an injury history. I know Lattimore is the consensus #1 CB and has been mocked to us on several drafts. I can't stomach another first round CB who after every play I have to be worried if he is able to get back up. Lattimore couldn't even make it through the Combine. I like Hooker also but he is coming off 2 surgeries and had one great year. Dee M was such a disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Zero chance the Jets take Mitch. They are simply trying to trade and drive up the price of the pick. Read between the linesSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, DetroitRed said: Zero chance the Jets take Mitch. They are simply trying to trade and drive up the price of the pick. Read between the lines Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Wouldn't that be driving up the price of the Titans pick? I would think if anything it pushes a player down in hoping someone jumps up to take a QB. Pretty doubtful since none of these guys are worth trading for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 On 3/30/2017 at 7:20 AM, JetFanatic said: So they're going to keep drafting QBs without giving any of them a real chance to actually see what they can do? Wasn't the plan with Hackenberg to sit him a whole year regardless? Shouldn't we be happy that the coaches and management stuck to their gameplan with him and red-shirted him? I'm just honestly very confused here. So let's say hypothetically speaking that the Jets go ahead and draft Trubisky. It's going to be an open competition during training camp and I'm going to assume that the veteran is going to win out against a rookie. Then what? Everyone is going to be screaming and cursing at the pick and I know exactly what'll happen. We're going to be drafting ANOTHER QB in with our top pick in 2018. As far as the plan with Hackenberg -- yeah, the plan was probably to sit him, they knew he'd be a project. But clearly he is far, far worse than anyone could have imagined. The people who keep saying "we haven't seen him play" need to realize the coaches, scouts, and GM have seen him play a lot. And he obviously sucks. Hard. The fact that we're even talking about drafting a QB high is a pretty good indication the organization feels Hackenberg clearly isn't the guy barring some miraculous leap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 13 hours ago, detectivekimble said: I hear that Mac likes Trubisky. Did he phone Bill O'Brien to ask if Mich was a good qb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardTodd27 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Was wondering where people think Trubisky would go in last year's draft? I'm assuming before Hack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Just now, RichardTodd27 said: Was wondering where people think Trubisky would go in last year's draft? I'm assuming before Hack? Hell yes. And I wonder what round Hack would have went to another team if Mac didn't have that 10 foot erection for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 On 3/29/2017 at 8:51 PM, T0mShane said: Maybe Mitchell and Christian Blaize can start a chapter of the Alpha Betas in Florham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 8 minutes ago, RichardTodd27 said: Was wondering where people think Trubisky would go in last year's draft? I'm assuming before Hack? Undrafted, because he had never started before . It's funny, because here's a kid who did exactly what you want a young QB to do, and did it at an extremely high level and he gets knocked for it . The Kid sat behind the starter, learn the offense and when it was his time, he played so well that he went from unknown to a possible 1st round pick. But he's not worthy, because he didn't start long enough . Any wonder why the draft is called a crap shot . What exactly is a kid like Ben Boulware supposed to do better ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I must say, it bothers me that this dude brings up the "Mitchell" thing now. He shouldn't care if they call him "Chick-t!ts" as long as he wins. But this dude worries about "Mitch/Mitchell." Speaks to a weak mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 4 hours ago, Beerfish said: Did he phone Bill O'Brien to ask if Mich was a good qb? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 55 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I must say, it bothers me that this dude brings up the "Mitchell" thing now. He shouldn't care if they call him "Chick-t!ts" as long as he wins. But this dude worries about "Mitch/Mitchell." Speaks to a weak mind. Okay Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 5 hours ago, Beerfish said: Did he phone Bill O'Brien to ask if Mich was a good qb? If Mac drafts Trubisky, he'll be on the unemployment line in a year or two, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 minute ago, detectivekimble said: If Mac drafts Trubisky, he'll be on the unemployment line in a year or two, Who do you think Trubisky resembles? Locker? Ponder? Gabbert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Who do you think Trubisky resembles? Locker? Ponder? Gabbert? Matt Cassel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Who do you think Trubisky resembles? Locker? Ponder? Gabbert? Also, Marcus Mariota should be the Jets QB. But for some reason, Woody didn't fire Rex in December 2014 and allowed the Jets to beat the Titans 16-11 in week 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 there's these SEMTEX ratings that came out https://www.fanragsports.com/nfl/qbs-2017-nfl-draft-likely-succeed/ i dunno *Shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, detectivekimble said: Also, Marcus Mariota should be the Jets QB. But for some reason, Woody didn't fire Rex in December 2014 and allowed the Jets to beat the Titans 16-11 in week 15. no joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 18 minutes ago, detectivekimble said: Also, Marcus Mariota should be the Jets QB. But for some reason, Woody didn't fire Rex in December 2014 and allowed the Jets to beat the Titans 16-11 in week 15. 6 minutes ago, Stark said: no joke Bowles is going to fight hard to get to 6 wins. He's going to be the biggest obstacle to the franchise moving forward while he is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 23 minutes ago, bitonti said: there's these SEMTEX ratings that came out https://www.fanragsports.com/nfl/qbs-2017-nfl-draft-likely-succeed/ i dunno *Shrug* That's it, i am jumping on the Wes Lunt bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blocker Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 6 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: As far as the plan with Hackenberg -- yeah, the plan was probably to sit him, they knew he'd be a project. But clearly he is far, far worse than anyone could have imagined. The people who keep saying "we haven't seen him play" need to realize the coaches, scouts, and GM have seen him play a lot. And he obviously sucks. Hard. The fact that we're even talking about drafting a QB high is a pretty good indication the organization feels Hackenberg clearly isn't the guy barring some miraculous leap. Exactly. People who talk about them doing some kind of fakeout here by looking at Trubinsky, thinking the Jets are prepared to roll with Hackenberg, seem to often add in "We haven't even seen him play!" The CS has seen plenty of him, and if they really thought he is a great prospect going forward, why even waste time looking at Trubinsky? It doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 22 minutes ago, detectivekimble said: Also, Marcus Mariota should be the Jets QB. But for some reason, Woody didn't fire Rex in December 2014 and allowed the Jets to beat the Titans 16-11 in week 15. 10 minutes ago, Stark said: no joke 2 minutes ago, Dcat said: Bowles is going to fight hard to get to 6 wins. He's going to be the biggest obstacle to the franchise moving forward while he is here. I was so pissed when we won that game and then of course in Miami. Even more pissed when that dumb a$$ Ken Wisenhunt decided to forget who he was and do something right by selecting Mariota.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Beerfish said: That's it, i am jumping on the Wes Lunt bandwagon. I looked at this rating and didn't even notice that name... lol hilarious. I don't know why I still just don't see it with Trubisky.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Stark said: I was so pissed when we won that game and then of course in Miami. Even more pissed when that dumb a$$ Ken Wisenhunt decided to forget who he was and do something right by selecting Mariota.... That one win really screwed everything up. And maybe for the next 5-10 years. The second pick was perfect, too. The Jets would have screwed up the Winston vs. Mariota decision. So let someone else make that decision (the Bucs) and you take who is left. Mariota is definitely better than Winston and up there with Carr and Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFanatic Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 12 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: As far as the plan with Hackenberg -- yeah, the plan was probably to sit him, they knew he'd be a project. But clearly he is far, far worse than anyone could have imagined. The people who keep saying "we haven't seen him play" need to realize the coaches, scouts, and GM have seen him play a lot. And he obviously sucks. Hard. The fact that we're even talking about drafting a QB high is a pretty good indication the organization feels Hackenberg clearly isn't the guy barring some miraculous leap. Agree to disagree. I think they have to due their due diligence in checking out these QBs no matter what. It's all part of the giant smoke screen. They have to make it seem like they're interested even if they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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