Raiders Will Provide A Litmus Test

[Legend Killa7]

14 hours ago, Raideraholic said:

Keep talking nonsense.   Just because you keep repeating the same lie, means it’s going to change anything - make it true .    Another loss to the Raiders.

What was the team that destroyed the Jets recently in the middle of the field.    Well it’s going to be much worse with the Raiders personnel.    Have ORoy RBs Josh Jacobs . Stud Rookie Fb Alec Ingold.  When you see either Rb Jalen Richard or Deandre Washington In the backfield there is a good chance they are coming in to be mismatches in the passing game.

They have three Tes that are very unique- all can both block and catch .  ( Waller, Moreau , and Carrier) They can play all three Te’s at once.   Two Te’s formations with Waller, and Moreau  , with D Carrier as  h-back . ( very tough matchup problems)       While they don’t have a true number 1 Wr , they have nice array of Wrs. ( Tyrell Williams6’4 205 , Zay Jones , Hunter Renfrow - becomes bigger part of the offense every week ( third down specialist) M Ateman 6’4 220 - big physical Wr who very good run blocker also) 

Raiders might have DRoy also Maxx Crosby seriously in the running to win that award too.( kids coming on every week- has chance to fatten up on the Jets  offense line) 

I agree with this guy.  Antonio Brown is going to shred the Jets defense!

[Dcat]

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Raiders Will Provide A Litmus Test

Oh good.  I love the Litmus Configureieration!

 

[Legend Killa7]

7 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Why is it that the Raiders didn’t destroy the Bengals, at home?  Haven’t destroyed anyone all year?  Not one single team, not even a winless 0-8 Bengals team?  I mean they’re great at every position, yet every win is a 1 score or less win.  

these are the types of posts I want everyone to remember next week when the Jets win, Sam throws for 3 TDs, but has a pick and everyone on here kills him for it because "it was only the Raiders".

[Raideraholic]

6 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Why is it that the Raiders didn’t destroy the Bengals, at home?  Haven’t destroyed anyone all year?  Not one single team, not even a winless 0-8 Bengals team?  I mean they’re great at every position, yet every win is a 1 score or less win.  

JUST WIN BABY  - a great man once coin that expression.   You don’t get extra credit for style points.   All you want to do is keep putting wins together- any way you have to do it.     You get enough wins , and you qualify for the playoffs.( remember what that is- been a longtime).

The Raiders could be in sole possession of first place in the AFC West after tonight.   The Raiders will be a playoff team this year.    Are they serious contenders for a Super Bowl.   Probably not, but give Mayock one more draft( 5 picks in the first 90 picks)  + 7th most cap space( last time it was posted) , and let these young players on both side gain some valuable experience.     The greatness in the Raiders is it’s future. ( Mayock and Gruden are building something special) 

Raiders have the OROY = Josh Jacobs.  Mad Maxx Crosby in the running for DROY.

[Joe W. Namath]

3 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

JUST WIN BABY  - a great man once coin that expression.   You don’t get extra credit for style points.   All you want to do is keep putting wins together- any way you have to do it.     You get enough wins , and you qualify for the playoffs.( remember what that is- been a longtime).

The Raiders could be in sole possession of first place in the AFC West after tonight.   The Raiders will be a playoff team this year.    Are they serious contenders for a Super Bowl.   Probably not, but give Mayock one more draft( 5 picks in the first 90 picks)  , and let these young players on both side gain some valuable experience.     The greatness in the Raiders is it’s future. 
btw Darnold whatever you do don’t rollout - It’s dangerous for your health when the Condor closing in for the kill.

I think the raiders will make the playoffs.  They are a good team.  But they are due to lose a game they should win and vise versa for the jets.

This just seems like the perfect scenario for this to happen.

[Jet Nut]

10 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

JUST WIN BABY  - a great man once coin that expression.   You don’t get extra credit for style points.   All you want to do is keep putting wins together- any way you have to do it.     You get enough wins , and you qualify for the playoffs.( remember what that is- been a longtime).

The Raiders could be in sole possession of first place in the AFC West after tonight.   The Raiders will be a playoff team this year.    Are they serious contenders for a Super Bowl.   Probably not, but give Mayock one more draft( 5 picks in the first 90 picks)  + 7th most cap space( last time it was posted) , and let these young players on both side gain some valuable experience.     The greatness in the Raiders is it’s future. ( Mayock and Gruden are building something special) 

Raiders have the OROY = Josh Jacobs.  Mad Maxx Crosby in the running for DROY.

And winning close games while nice doesnt prove the talent you spew on about.  

No matter how you skirt over what I said.  Theyre a mediocre team, nothing more.  

[Losmeister]

Raiders will not likely to drop so many passes.

Carr>>>Jones/Ha(lf-)skins  he won't hold onto the ball for 6 secs.

Per current Football Outsiders rankings...whhich doesnt include this weeks games yet....

Their O vs our D is an advantage for them.

Our O vs their D is an advantage for them.

 

[Raideraholic]

58 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

And winning close games while nice doesnt prove the talent you spew on about.  

No matter how you skirt over what I said.  Theyre a mediocre team, nothing more.  

Do you know the difference between a veteran roster, versus a very young inexperienced roster .   This was a total rebuild job Gruden elected to do.( his second season)   The betting line was 6 win season for the Raiders.       The Raiders draft class has exceeded everyone expectations , as they really hit on home run on most of these picks.   ( speading up the rebuild process) .

If you understand J Gruden conservative  game plan - the games are usually going to be close.   It’s the way they play.   They are going to run the football against anyone.  ( the reason they are top three on third downs is because they don’t have that many third and longs.    They eat up a lot of time of possession .
They have a lot of young talent everywhere on defense, but they are trying to break it in at very important positions.  Cb for example,   Rookie second round Trayvon Mullen has assumed a starting position.( going to be a good one but only his third start .Rookie   Isaiah Johnson 4th round is just coming back from face fracture  experience in third play in the first preseason game- might eventually be better than Mullens , but is much rawer than Mullens too. ( his playing time should start to increase) K Nixon Eanother rookie is starting to get more minutes.       When you are trying to break in that many young players at the same time , your going to experience growing pains.  It’s a fine balance trying to win games, and trying to develop these young players at the same time.

Raiders make the playoffs , and it’s a great year. 
 

[Losmeister]

3 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

Raiders make the playoffs , and it’s a great year. 

still a ways to go.

living in the Bay Area...  just hafta say...  that being a Raider fan musta been hard these last 12 years or so...

[Philc1]

10 hours ago, Losmeister said:

Raiders will not likely to drop so many passes.

Carr>>>Jones/Ha(lf-)skins  he won't hold onto the ball for 6 secs.

Per current Football Outsiders rankings...whhich doesnt include this weeks games yet....

Their O vs our D is an advantage for them.

Our O vs their D is an advantage for them.

 

Your last sentence is way off.  The Raiders D couldn’t stop Hackenberg 

 

This is a high scoring affair

[Villain The Foe]

On 11/17/2019 at 11:30 PM, THE BARON said:

Jets did what they should have today.  They beat one of the worst teams in the league.  The Darnold looked good, the offensive line with Compton and Lewis appeared to be improved.  TE Griffin and CB Austin are nice surprises and look to be future contributors.  

The apparent step forward may just be a mirage.  A product of a struggling team looking well against an even worse team...

The Raiders will be a bona fied litmus test for the Jets...

Anyone care to offer predictions for how that one will go ???

Im honestly a bit confused here. I really dont mind the thought of players looking good, though we played against struggling teams over the past 3 weeks, while getting thoroughly handled by the Dolphins. 

What im more confused about is this "bona fied litmus test" position when it comes to the Jets facing the Raiders. 

What is the test here exactly? Lets say that they win. What does that say? To me it says that the Jets beat the best team during the easiest stretch of their schedule which is a 6 week period that started with the dolphins, Giants, Redskins and now Raiders. Then will continue with the Bengals and Dolphins again before finally having the play the Ravens in week 15, followed up by Steelers and Bills to end the season.

 

IMO, there is no Litmus test here, this is just the stretch in the season where the Jets will most likely destroy their draft position winning games that will not be meaningful in anyway come the end of week 17. 

 

If there was an actual game this year that I would have considered to be a Litmus test, that was week 8 against the Jaguars with the Jets season on the line. 

That game came right after a blowout against the Patriots and the Jets needed this win against an AFC opponent who's starting QB was injured and we had a healthy Darnold for 3 weeks by this time. The Jets got handled in that game and the Jets season was essentially over....again, before Halloween. 

 

This Raiders game is just another game. Sure it'll be great to see how guys like Bless Austin stack up against a competent QB, but as for a "team test", We failed that test a month ago. 

 

 

[Jet Nut]

12 hours ago, Raideraholic said:

Do you know the difference between a veteran roster, versus a very young inexperienced roster .   This was a total rebuild job Gruden elected to do.( his second season)   The betting line was 6 win season for the Raiders.       The Raiders draft class has exceeded everyone expectations , as they really hit on home run on most of these picks.   ( speading up the rebuild process) .

If you understand J Gruden conservative  game plan - the games are usually going to be close.   It’s the way they play.   They are going to run the football against anyone.  ( the reason they are top three on third downs is because they don’t have that many third and longs.    They eat up a lot of time of possession .
They have a lot of young talent everywhere on defense, but they are trying to break it in at very important positions.  Cb for example,   Rookie second round Trayvon Mullen has assumed a starting position.( going to be a good one but only his third start .Rookie   Isaiah Johnson 4th round is just coming back from face fracture  experience in third play in the first preseason game- might eventually be better than Mullens , but is much rawer than Mullens too. ( his playing time should start to increase) K Nixon Eanother rookie is starting to get more minutes.       When you are trying to break in that many young players at the same time , your going to experience growing pains.  It’s a fine balance trying to win games, and trying to develop these young players at the same time.

Raiders make the playoffs , and it’s a great year. 
 

Do I know what?  

Excuses now for why the games are close?  It's Grudens coaching?  The Raiders were losing at home to the bengals because that's the way he coaches?  What nonsense.  He coaches conservatively because he has to.  The talent isn't close to what you think it is.  The talent everywhere, pro bowlers all, Etc nonsense is just that.  They're better, they're not have a great year. They're an average team right now, don't over rate them.  Enjoy the team, stop with the over the top nonsense

[Philc1]

35 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Do I know what?  

Excuses now for why the games are close?  It's Grudens coaching?  The Raiders were losing at home to the bengals because that's the way he coaches?  What nonsense.  He coaches conservatively because he has to.  The talent isn't close to what you think it is.  The talent everywhere, pro bowlers all, Etc nonsense is just that.  They're better, they're not have a great year. They're an average team right now, don't over rate them.  Enjoy the team, stop with the over the top nonsense

Carr is a checkdown guy.  The raiders actually have good WRs and TE but Carr is scared of throwing deep

[THE BARON]

2 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

Im honestly a bit confused here. I really dont mind the thought of players looking good, though we played against struggling teams over the past 3 weeks, while getting thoroughly handled by the Dolphins. 

What im more confused about is this "bona fied litmus test" position when it comes to the Jets facing the Raiders. 

What is the test here exactly? Lets say that they win. What does that say?

Is is a decent indicator that they are improving.  We know the Giants and Redskins are two of the worst teams in the league.  Not much to learn from a win against that level of opposition.  We know the Raiders are in the middle of the pack and they have a good qb and a productive offense.  If they can manage a win against a decent team, we can conclude that the Jets are not the absolute dumpster fire that they appeared to be three weeks ago

[ChuckkieB]

I agree that the Raiders game will be a litmus test.  It's all well and dandy to beat up on inferior teams, but let's see how the new and improved offense deals with a playoff contending team.  If the Jets can consistently move the ball like they did last week, I like their chances at home.  

[Legend Killa7]

26 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

Is is a decent indicator that they are improving.  We know the Giants and Redskins are two of the worst teams in the league.  Not much to learn from a win against that level of opposition.  We know the Raiders are in the middle of the pack and they have a good qb and a productive offense.  If they can manage a win against a decent team, we can conclude that the Jets are not the absolute dumpster fire that they appeared to be three weeks ago

here we go.  it's amazing how a couple of weeks ago, the Jets are "the worst team in the NFL", and now they win back to back games, and people on here shrug there shoulders like: "so what?"  Now people like Villain are getting nervous that the Jets may actually beat the Raiders so now we are putting them in the "sucky team" category?  wow.  Really cannot believe this place sometimes.

[SAR I]

The Raiders are 2-10 on the road in the last two years. 

Both wins in dome stadiums.

SAR I

[Philc1]

42 minutes ago, SAR I said:

The Raiders are 2-10 on the road in the last two years. 

Both wins in dome stadiums.

SAR I

 

[Villain The Foe]

4 hours ago, THE BARON said:

Is is a decent indicator that they are improving.  We know the Giants and Redskins are two of the worst teams in the league.  Not much to learn from a win against that level of opposition.  We know the Raiders are in the middle of the pack and they have a good qb and a productive offense.  If they can manage a win against a decent team, we can conclude that the Jets are not the absolute dumpster fire that they appeared to be three weeks ago

Except, IMO they've already shown that they are a complete dumpster fire. 

A win this weekend against the Raiders won't change that, nor would a loss suddenly make it so. That's simply what the team is right now, and have been for years. 

Example. Should anyone's position on Adam Gase change with a win? Are they still among one of the most depleted teams in the league in terms of talent? Are players filing grievances...whether officially or via Twitter? Do we have arguably the worst ownership situation in all of sports, not just the NFL?

My point is this, a win against the Raiders isnt an indicator of anything because this Jets team is the type that could very well blow the doors completely off of the Raiders this weekend...then turn right around and give the Bengals their first win of the season the following week. 

Tell me that wouldnt be Jetsy. 

 

[Losmeister]

just a sec...    is this the argument?

" What is the difference between a dumpster fire and an ABSOLUTE dumpster fire?"

@THE BARON and @Villain The Foe

[Joe W. Namath]

The more research i do the more confident i am that the jets will win this game easily.

The raiders are frauds.  They have been outscored 225-250 on the season.  

This is a 4-6 team masquerading as a 6-4 team.

place your bets folks.  Jets getting -3.5 is a layup.

Jets 27

Raiders 14

[The Crusher]

18 hours ago, Raideraholic said:

JUST WIN BABY  - a great man once coin that expression.   You don’t get extra credit for style points.   All you want to do is keep putting wins together- any way you have to do it.     You get enough wins , and you qualify for the playoffs.( remember what that is- been a longtime).

The Raiders could be in sole possession of first place in the AFC West after tonight.   The Raiders will be a playoff team this year.    Are they serious contenders for a Super Bowl.   Probably not, but give Mayock one more draft( 5 picks in the first 90 picks)  + 7th most cap space( last time it was posted) , and let these young players on both side gain some valuable experience.     The greatness in the Raiders is it’s future. ( Mayock and Gruden are building something special) 

Raiders have the OROY = Josh Jacobs.  Mad Maxx Crosby in the running for DROY.

Nice to hit on draft picks. Really makes a difference going forward. 

[The Crusher]

9 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Except, IMO they've already shown that they are a complete dumpster fire. 

A win this weekend against the Raiders won't change that, nor would a loss suddenly make it so. That's simply what the team is right now, and have been for years. 

Example. Should anyone's position in Adam Gase change with a win? Are they still among one of the most depleted teams in the league in terms of talent? Are players filing grievances...whether officially or via Twitter? Do we have arguably the worst ownership situation in all of sports, not just the NFL?

My point is this, a win against the Raiders isnt an indicator of anything because this Jets team is the type that could very well blow the doors completely off of the Raiders this weekend...then turn right around and give the Bengals their first win of the season the following week. 

Tell me that wouldnt be Jetsy. 

 

Holy hell thats a painfully true post. 

[DonCorleone]

On 11/17/2019 at 5:48 PM, Tony MaC said:

I feel like the test has already passed like three times, and they failed it every time. The loss to the Bills, the loss to Jacksonville and especially the loss to Miami have proven who this team is. The Jets are not a playoff contender. There is no reason to have any faith. Not even the easiest schedule in the world can help them.

If they cant beat the Dolphins there's no reason to feel confident about beating anybody. So Washington worked out, big whoop we could be the team who loses to Cinci. 

I'm just looking for progress from #14 at this point.

Fair assessment. Let's go #14

[Villain The Foe]

19 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Nice to hit on draft picks. Really makes a difference going forward. 

Facts. 

If JD doesn't draft a defensive linemen in the first round then we're doing good. If JD actually drafts offense I may pass out from excitement. 

[Patriot Killa]

6 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

IMO, there is no Litmus test here, this is just the stretch in the season where the Jets will most likely destroy their draft position winning games that will not be meaningful in anyway come the end of week 17. 

Darnold stacking good game on top of good game is what we really want out of this. He stacked two nice ones... need to see more. 

[Prestige Worldwide]

On 11/18/2019 at 12:18 PM, Dcat said:

Oh good.  I love the Litmus Configureieration!

 

One of the best comedies ever. Great call on that clip 

[Villain The Foe]

33 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Darnold stacking good game on top of good game is what we really want out of this. He stacked two nice ones... need to see more. 

I can agree with this here. 

[Wonderboy]

19 hours ago, Raideraholic said:

Do you know the difference between a veteran roster, versus a very young inexperienced roster .   This was a total rebuild job Gruden elected to do.( his second season)   The betting line was 6 win season for the Raiders.       The Raiders draft class has exceeded everyone expectations , as they really hit on home run on most of these picks.   ( speading up the rebuild process) .

If you understand J Gruden conservative  game plan - the games are usually going to be close.   It’s the way they play.   They are going to run the football against anyone.  ( the reason they are top three on third downs is because they don’t have that many third and longs.    They eat up a lot of time of possession .
They have a lot of young talent everywhere on defense, but they are trying to break it in at very important positions.  Cb for example,   Rookie second round Trayvon Mullen has assumed a starting position.( going to be a good one but only his third start .Rookie   Isaiah Johnson 4th round is just coming back from face fracture  experience in third play in the first preseason game- might eventually be better than Mullens , but is much rawer than Mullens too. ( his playing time should start to increase) K Nixon Eanother rookie is starting to get more minutes.       When you are trying to break in that many young players at the same time , your going to experience growing pains.  It’s a fine balance trying to win games, and trying to develop these young players at the same time.

Raiders make the playoffs , and it’s a great year. 
 

Enjoy your Thanksgiving dinner after Sam dissects The Raaaaiiiderrrs.

 

[BigRy56]

We just need to make sure we look out for The Condor

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

On 11/18/2019 at 10:18 AM, Dcat said:

Oh good.  I love the Litmus Configureieration!

 

One of the best movies of all time.

[Raideraholic]

delete please low blow

[Raideraholic]

55 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

We just need to make sure we look out for The Condor

Watch out for Dion Jordan  6 ‘ 6 275 -  had one sack last week in very limited snaps  , despite being very rusty .  ( that’s missing 10 weeks serving a suspension) .   Raiders just signed him last week , but he’s in tremendous shape.   ( the guy who I think might explode this Sunday) .

[Jet Nut]

10 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

Sam “ Wheeler” Darnold.   Any Met fan can tell you what that means.   Zack Wheeler when the season over - can look a lot different with the pressure off.    The key is playing well when it still matters, and not when the season is over with.

Nonsense on every level.

 

[Jet Nut]

3 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

Watch out for Dion Jordan  6 ‘ 6 275 -  had one sack last week in very limited snaps  , despite being very rusty .  ( that’s missing 10 weeks serving a suspension) .   Raiders just signed him last week , but he’s in tremendous shape.   ( the guy who I think might explode this Sunday) .

Why do you feel the need to add height and weight numbers as if makes a difference?  Every player on the Raiders is physically gifted and a monster yet the end of the season ends the same.