Popular Post IndianaJet Posted January 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2020 Astros cheating scandle: Manger Hinch suspended 1 yr GM suspended 1 yr Loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks in 2020 and 2021 $5 million fine And apparently - the RedSox are up next... https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/houston-astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-suspended-1-season-sign-stealing Quote Astros' Jeff Luhnow, AJ Hinch suspended 1 season for sign stealing By Jeff Passan Houston Astros GM Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have been suspended for one season after an MLB investigation found the team used technology to cheat during its World Series-winning 2017 season, it was announced Monday. Additionally, MLB will fine the Astros $5 million and take away their first- and second-round draft picks in the 2020 and 2021 drafts. MLB said in its statement that if Luhnow or Hinch "engage in any future material violations" of MLB rules, they will be placed on the league's permanently ineligible list. No players were disciplined by MLB in the investigation. While Mets manager Carlos Beltran was part of the investigation, he was a player at the time and thus was not suspended. Discipline for Red Sox manager Alex Cora is coming and is going to be harsh, sources told ESPN. Cora was the Astros' bench coach during the 2017 season. Cora is identified throughout MLB's report as the ringleader along with Beltran. Commissioner Rob Manfred said that discipline for Cora will be announced at the completion of its investigation into the Red Sox's alleged use of the video replay room to steal signs during the 2018 season. Manfred said Hinch was aware of the system but did not bring it to the attention of Luhnow. The GM told MLB he was unaware of the system but Manfred held him accountable for the team's actions. MLB's investigation found that Astros owner Jim Crane was unaware of the sign-stealing activities by his team. No World Series odds changes as a result of the Astros' punishment at Caesars Sportsbook, since no players were suspended. Houston remains tied for second-best odds at 6-1 with the Los Angeles Dodgers. The New York Yankees are favorites at 4-1. 9 1 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Big Wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Astros front office seems to be a haven of villainy on a Mos Eisley level. A few years ago that assistant GM got banned for life for hacking another team's scouting department. Its'sobvious they took career counseling seminars from the Cheats. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Wow. MLB not playing around, huh? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jets723 Posted January 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, IndianaJet said: Astros cheating scandle: Manger Hinch suspended 1 yr GM suspended 1 yr Loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks in 2020 and 2021 $5 million fine And apparently - the RedSox are up next... https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/houston-astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-suspended-1-season-sign-stealing Absolutely. As bad as what the Astros did the Pats have done this many times and gotten caught multiple times with just a slap on the wrist. So you are absolutely right!! 4 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Good. As a Dodgers fan I'm happy to see them get hammered. Alex Cora up next with likely as steep a punishment as Hinch, if not worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, pdxgreen said: Astros front office seems to be a haven of villainy on a Mos Eisley level. A few years ago that assistant GM got banned for life for hacking another team's scouting department. Its'sobvious they took career counseling seminars from the Cheats. "These aren't the stolen signs you're looking for" 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 They should have added a postseason ban for 3 years orso to that. That would have hurt in the wallet and the ledger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jetstream23 Posted January 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2020 Based on this shouldn't Belichick getting a lifetime ban and 4 years in prison? 4 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Williams and Payton suspended for a year for bounties which have been going on since the dawn of time. Pats cheating each and every year and pay some paltry fine and lose a pick or two. No suspensions. Cheaters prosper. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 It's the Patriot's Way. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Hinch and Luhnow fired. per Schefter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Williams and Payton suspended for a year for bounties which have been going on since the dawn of time. Pats cheating each and every year and pay some paltry fine and lose a pick or two. No suspensions. Cheaters prosper. Yeah. Baseball fans are saying its not enough and they are probably right. Honestly though. I think cheating is so ingrained in sports now that people are just numb to even trying to stop it. There Is literally nothing you can do. The gains far outway the punishment. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isired Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I know it would never happen, but if you're found guilty of cheating in a WS, the title should be stripped. Period. Otherwise there's no penalty.Every single team would trade their Manager and GM for 2 WS rings. The Manager and GM would probably trade their jobs for that run. This won't stop anyone from trying to cheat. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, isired said: I know it would never happen, but if you're found guilty of cheating in a WS, the title should be stripped. Period. Otherwise there's no penalty. Every single team would trade their Manager and GM for 2 WS rings. The Manager and GM would probably trade their jobs for that run. This won't stop anyone from trying to cheat. Then do you strip the teams of titles that had players on steriods? Where does it end? I think the Commissioner did the best he could under the circumstances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 In baseball, a team won't wait around for a manager who is suspended for a whole year. No way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isired Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Then do you strip the teams of titles that had players on steriods? Where does it end? I think the Commissioner did the best he could under the circumstances.Every team had players on steroids. And I know there are other forms of cheating, but this was egregious. You watch the videos with the ball flying out of the park after the loud bangs and you know it played a big part in getting those rings. The Astros championships are waaaaay more tarnished than even the Pats*. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 51 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: Wow. MLB not playing around, huh? Nor should they. While Goodell tries to appease these situations away like Neville Chamberlain, the MLB just went full Winston Churchill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 47 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: They should have added a postseason ban for 3 years orso to that. That would have hurt in the wallet and the ledger That would hurt the MLB's bottom line. Can't have a 162-game season play out where a team knows it is ineligible to make the playoffs. Let alone 3 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 This is absolutely ruthless punishment, and it perfect fits the crime. Stripping a title in professional sports isnt realistic at all no matter how much we all know it should happen. I think the NFL absolutely has egg on their face today after this announcement and I bet you a dollar they are reevaluating their punishment for the Pats at least a little bit. We were supposed to already have the results of the investigation by now, but still nothing. Feel like they got wind of this coming and knew they either had to up their own punishment or delay until it falls out of the public eye further. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, JTJet said: Stripping a title in professional sports isnt realistic at all no matter how much we all know it should happen. Yep. And it really wouldn't matter much. The team still made tons of money and the fans still have the memories. No one really cares when they do it at the collegiate level, either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said: In baseball, a team won't wait around for a manager who is suspended for a whole year. No way. Manager and GM fired. Its official 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isired Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Theres nothing ruthless about a penalty that wouldn't stop anyone from doing it again.They stole the title. Listening to the commentator talk live, not knowing what was going on yet, about how the pitcher 'must be tipping his pitches' because they're all over him is priceless. They hit that way because they cheated. They won because they hit that way. They won because they cheated. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, isired said: Every team had players on steroids. And I know there are other forms of cheating, but this was egregious. You watch the videos with the ball flying out of the park after the loud bangs and you know it played a big part in getting those rings. The Astros championships are waaaaay more tarnished than even the Pats*. Not a chance. You can steal signs without going to these extremes. The Dodgers and others accused the Giants of stealing signs and using lights to signal them in way back in the 50's. This isn't over stealing my signs, it's about the blatant way they did it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Meanwhile, the NFL is like, what cheating scandal? Who did what? When? Nah 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talonmm Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Do you feel the strong ruling from Major League Baseball puts pressure on the NFL and Goodell to issue a strong punishment? Also, I would think the other other NFL owners are applying pressure to Goodell to come down hard on the Patriots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Both fired, if only Kraft had balls like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 The punishment is not enough in baseball terms. Any team in baseball would trade 2 firsts and 2 seconds, 5 million dollars and their coach/GM for one year in turn for a championship. What makes is hurt the Astros is them firing their GM who turned that team from a laughing stock to year in and out competitive team. The penalties levied by MLB were weak imo though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 The NFL empire was built on gambling. All those years of publishing injury reports to protect point spreads were a magor reason the sport has grown the way it has. The tv money? Gambling based. Football isn’t the most popular sport, it’s the most popular to bet, and people want to watch their “action”. So what am I saying here? The NFL could care less what MLB did today. With the number of states legalizing gambling growing, the NFL will become more and more monolithic. Heck, next year a team will be playing in Vegas. Did anyone over 50 think they would live to see that? Nothing will slow down the train. Forget a cheating scandal doing it, not even a gambling scandal could at this point. Every day more and more people get more addicted, and need their fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 That statement by Manfred is worded EXTREMELY well. So I did a little exercise here. How HARD is this for Goodell? Seriously. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 23 minutes ago, isired said: Theres nothing ruthless about a penalty that wouldn't stop anyone from doing it again. They stole the title. Listening to the commentator talk live, not knowing what was going on yet, about how the pitcher 'must be tipping his pitches' because they're all over him is priceless. They hit that way because they cheated. They won because they hit that way. They won because they cheated. Watching Altuve just guess right all the time was mind blowing. Dude was lunging at pitches and generating power people his size have never been able to. This explains a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isired Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Not a chance. You can steal signs without going to these extremes. The Dodgers and others accused the Giants of stealing signs and using lights to signal them in way back in the 50's. This isn't over stealing my signs, it's about the blatant way they did it Exactly. By doing it blatantly (using video to steal signs and a clear audible sign to tell the batter) so that the batter knew with 100% certainty what pitch was coming, they influenced the outcome far more than anything that's ever been done.Nothing attempted in the 50s is close. Nothing has been proven in a comparable era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Manager and GM fired. Its official Doesn't seem fair. The GM had no knowledge, but is "held accountable" for the actions of the team? So he loses his job? No players? So they are stealing signals? Who the **** is it benefiting? Typical bullsh*t cover-up. I tend to agree they are all cheaters to some extent, but it feels good to have the moral high ground as a Yankee fan. The payroll always feels somewhat dirty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I bet roger wishes he didn’t stall the investigation until the NFL offseason now lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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