the Claw Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 9 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Sort by TT: https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-time-to-throw Darnold: 2.92. 3rd highest in the NFL among qualifying passers. Does this take into account the times the line collapsed and Darnold had to improvise? Because that was every other play. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: @CTM just introduced Los’ to a new metric that can be used to slam Darnold merely 3 hours ago and now los’ is explaining to you all how it works like he invented it. nice work. this is effectively your fault CTM lol. no sperm i lifted it from him It's really unbelievable that the same people who are like "lol Dahnald even younger than Burrow hahaa", and "omg 3 offensive systems in 3 years just wait till he gets settled in".. or .. "he's only played the position a few years just wait till he gets more experience lolol" Are now presented with concrete statistical data that suggests Darnold is inexperienced and a bit slow in making decisions and they're like, "nah. I don't buy it" "has to be something wrong or made up. It's useless really" "Kraft / Goodell conspiracy!!" It's hilarity and I hope ya'll never change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, CTM said: no sperm i lifted it from him It's really unbelievable that the same people who are like "lol Dahnald even younger than Burrow hahaa", and "omg 3 offensive systems in 3 years just wait till he gets settled in".. or .. "he's only played the position a few years just wait till he gets more experience lolol" Are now presented with concrete statistical data that suggests Darnold is inexperienced and a bit slow in making decisions and their like, "nah. I don't buy it" "has to be something wrong or made up. It's useless really" "Kraft / Goodell conspiracy!!" It's hilarity and I hope ya'll never change He is inexperienced and a bit slow in making decisions. (The ladder being only at times) That doesn’t make him permanently Andy Dalton either lmao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: He is inexperienced and a bit slow in making decisions. (The ladder being only at times) That doesn’t make him permanently Andy Dalton either lmao. who the fook said that ? he is a ginger tho so in a way perma Dalton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, CTM said: who the fook said that ? he is a ginger tho so in a way perma Dalton Your sidekick over here trying to write up formulas for “TT” and send them to all of us via mail after learning of them just this morning. @Losmeister <— this guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 36 minutes ago, CTM said: I mean 2019 is kinda self explanatory I think. Do you think LJ is a future successful pocket passer god forbid he lose his mobility? 2018 Mahommes was a 1st year player and both he and Darnold attempted a lot of deeper routes, Reids offense certainly by design. Is it really a surprise that a young QB wouldn't be Drew Brees'ing his way through his reads? The guy is just a ridiculously talented, probably the most talented QB i've seen The context for TT as originally introduced in this thread was that it was a metric which proved that QBs process information slower, and that the OL for QBs with higher TTs afforded the QBs better pass pro because ‘sacks are a QB stat’. I don’t thinK the MVPs with literally identical TTs as Sam have problems processing info, nor do I think the three OLs were identical or even similar in what type of pass pro they provided their QBs. I think there are other factors also at play, and that context is key - unless you’re simply looking advance your viewpoint. Which I guess is fine on these here forumz 10 hours ago, CTM said: The mainsteam narrative here is that Darnold has only played poorly because the talent around him is dire and Gase sucks. You know, what you and all the other Dahnald fanboys are constantly clucking about. Sacks are largely a QB stat* Sperm quoted the other day that Sam had one of the highest time to throw in the league last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, CTM said: Finally a jets related eye testes that make sense Disgusting. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 22 hours ago, CTM said: Cool stats. It leaves out a big part of the picture however. In weeks 10-17 we faced the #24, #28,#30,#31#32 ranked pass defense by dvoa We also played the Bill's who rested starters. We had 2 tough defenses in that span (Pitss and Baltimore) Thats 5 of 8 games against the worst pass defenses the nfl has to offer, and 1 against a team not even trying to win. 6/8, 75% creampuffs This is why Sam's DVOA and DYAR in year 2 where lower than year 1. He played a lot of really really bad defenses . True...but still getting back to the main point, even though he faced these weak teams the second half of last year he STILL was forced to face significant pressure against said teams. If Douglas doesn’t get at least some real NFL talent around, and the jury is definitely out on Douglas, I hope Darnold just walks when his contract is up. Only the Jets...Kid going into his 3rd year...has one of the worst OLs in the league and now he’s about to lose the receiver he had good chemistry with (can’t blame the Jets for not signing him, but now Douglas gets Nothing in return)...most of the personal on the 2020 Offense is going to be totally new. How long before they’re all on the same page? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I would like to see Sam improvise more because the plays Gase calls are: ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 23 hours ago, slimjasi said: “A few?” Do you guys actually watch the Jets play? Extending plays with his feet and throwing on the run has been Darnold’s biggest strength since he was in college. You are trying too hard Nobody has the numbers. And yes, its a few, relative to the HUNDREDS of throws, yes. As I said, I havengt anyt numbers to show you, but neither do you. It WOULD be awfully helpful in this sinstance to KNOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 22 hours ago, the Claw said: Because that was every other play. whatever you do, dont stop the hyperbole in defense of Sam. its a jetnation staple. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 21 hours ago, SAR I said: Disgusting. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Psst... playing badly behind a bad OL doesn’t guarantee good play behind a better OL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Losmeister said: Nobody has the numbers. And yes, its a few, relative to the HUNDREDS of throws, yes. As I said, I havengt anyt numbers to show you, but neither do you. It WOULD be awfully helpful in this sinstance to KNOW. You don't need numbers to know the guy is above average at throwing on the run. Watch the games. Or, you know, read any scouting report on him ever. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I’m not sure how anyone who claims to be a Jets fan could say 1) last years OL is not the worst we’ve had in the history of the franchise 2) Sam Darnold is not the most promising QB we’ve had since Namath 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 If we upgrade the OL and WRs i expect 4,500 yds 30 td passes minimum from Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 35 minutes ago, nico002 said: I’m not sure how anyone who claims to be a Jets fan could say 1) last years OL is not the worst we’ve had in the history of the franchise 2) Sam Darnold is not the most promising QB we’ve had since Namath 1) I guess you weren’t around for 2005 or 1995-1996 2) agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 51 minutes ago, nico002 said: I’m not sure how anyone who claims to be a Jets fan could say 1) last years OL is not the worst we’ve had in the history of the franchise 2) Sam Darnold is not the most promising QB we’ve had since Namath 15 minutes ago, Philc1 said: 1) I guess you weren’t around for 2005 or 1995-1996 2) agree What has he done that makes you put him above Ken O'Brien, Richard Todd or even Sanchez after his first two years? I'd include Pennington also, but I want nico to stay calm and just answer my question. They were all first round picks, are you going off perceived potential or what Darnold has done so far? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: You don't need numbers to know the guy is above average at throwing on the run. Watch the games. Or, you know, read any scouting report on him ever. Sam is also accurate while running to his left. Something you don't see very often in a QB. I agree that Sam is the best QB the Jets have had since Namath and that the OL was one of the worst the Jets have ever had and the WR's and TE's were near the bottom as well. Injuries were also a factor. The Jets showed the results of Idzik and Macc ignoring foundational and impact positions for six years. I know the eye test is frowned upon by the stat heads but I watched a lot more non-Jet games last year than ever before and the difference in talent level between the Jets and other teams was glaringly obvious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: What has he done that makes you put him above Ken O'Brien, Richard Todd or even Sanchez after his first two years? I'd include Pennington also, but I want nico to stay calm and just answer my question. They were all first round picks, are you going off perceived potential or what Darnold has done so far? Based on the beyond obvious ability gap between Darnold and Pennington/Sanchez. If you can’t see it I can’t help you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, nico002 said: Based on the beyond obvious ability gap between Darnold and Pennington/Sanchez. If you can’t see it I can’t help you. If you want to be snarky, fine. So far, no, I haven’t seen any “beyond obvious ability gap” between Darnold, O’Brien, Sanchez, Pennington or even Todd after two years. I see, and saw, the 1st round talent and potential in all of them. I could understand if you thought Sam had the potential to be better, but I think you feel he’s already there. If so, I can’t help you either. Two years ago, you could’ve said he was the most promising, and until the week after his first game against the Lions, I’d have agreed. As of now, no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, 14 in Green said: If you want to be snarky, fine. So far, no, I haven’t seen any “beyond obvious ability gap” between Darnold, O’Brien, Sanchez, Pennington or even Todd after two years. I see, and saw, the 1st round talent and potential in all of them. I could understand if you thought Sam had the potential to be better, but I think you feel he’s already there. If so, I can’t help you either. Two years ago, you could’ve said he was the most promising, and until the week after his first game against the Lions, I’d have agreed. As of now, no. I don’t care what you think 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Sam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ1 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 IMO, how much Sammy improved from here on out is all about the Jets and what they do? Everyone knows Sammy has ability. However, his ability is being thwarted by a management team that's incompetent. Mike Macagnan had no idea how to manage an NFL football team. So what is our new GM going to do? He could start by overhauling what's the worst OL in the league today. Build a competent team around Sammy. Then we get to see how Sammy utilizes weapons surrounding him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 9 hours ago, nico002 said: I’m not sure how anyone who claims to be a Jets fan could say 1) last years OL is not the worst we’ve had in the history of the franchise 2) Sam Darnold is not the most promising QB we’ve had since Namath Because CTM and his minions aren’t Jets fans; they are SOJF’s and this is what they do. They want to be miserable. Don’t let Eeyore bring you down. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 8:08 AM, CTM said: This is why Sam's DVOA and DYAR in year 2 where lower than year 1. He played a lot of really really bad defenses . The good news is that he gets to play against a lot of really bad defenses in the years to come, as well. And—guess what?—every other quarterback gets to play against bad defenses too! And—bonus factoid—good defenses are good because they fare well against quarterbacks—even really good ones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 44 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The good news is that he gets to play against a lot of really bad defenses in the years to come, as well. And—guess what?—every other quarterback gets to play against bad defenses too! And—bonus factoid—good defenses are good because they fare well against quarterbacks—even really good ones! Soo insightfuls much thank youse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 27 minutes ago, SAR I said: Because CTM and his minions aren’t Jets fans; they are SOJF’s and this is what they do. They want to be miserable. Don’t let Eeyore bring you down. SAR I Sojf with fail square avatar says what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The good news is that he gets to play against a lot of really bad defenses in the years to come, as well. And—guess what?—every other quarterback gets to play against bad defenses too! And—bonus factoid—good defenses are good because they fare well against quarterbacks—even really good ones! Brady made a career out of beating terrible defenses to get first round byes every year, but don’t tell ctm that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 9 hours ago, 14 in Green said: So far, no, I haven’t seen any “beyond obvious ability gap” between Darnold, O’Brien, Sanchez, Pennington or even Todd after two years. But these same eyes tell you that Baker and Josh Allen are the bees knees, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said: Brady made a career out of beating terrible defenses to get first round byes every year, but don’t tell ctm that! I see a hearty coalition of the stupid is forming. Good good. Psst.. afce has historically had decent defenses and crap offenses in aggregate over the last 2 decades , its your boy Belichick's defenses that have been the primary beneficiary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said: But these same eyes tell you that Baker and Josh Allen are the bees knees, so... Dueling eye testes ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, CTM said: Sojf with fail square avatar says what Sell your depression elsewhere, Eeyore. It’s a great time to be a Jets fan. Some of your SOJF buddies are trying to see the light and break out of their self-imposed doom. Let them. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, SAR I said: Sell your depression elsewhere, Eeyore. It’s a great time to be a Jets fan. Some of your SOJF buddies are trying to see the light and break out of their self-imposed doom. Let them. SAR I Aww, it's ok senator Craig, its 2020, your true nature is accepted and nothing to be ashamed of. Embrace it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 <Tom Brady plays like Luke Falk against the Titans and gets unceremoniously bounced from the playoffs by the Titans> Analysis: No QB, no matter how great, could overcome this much turnover in the offensive line and receiving departments! <Chuma Edoga escorts another pass rusher directly into Sam Darnold’s chest as Darnold dares to wait three seconds for Robbie Anderson—who is getting twisted up like a ballon animal by a 5’9”, 175 lb corner—to get open on a pattern he designed himself, called a “weed route.”> Analysis: Sam Darnold just doesn’t have it, fokls 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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