Mims why he was the Steal of the Draft!!

[Charlie Brown]

Hi don’t know if this video was published out here but I always like this guys break downs and he explains why Mims is perhaps the Steal of the Draft!!

 

 

[David Harris]

So I’ve been working through this 2 hour pod breakdown of Mims by a Jets YouTube guy I don’t know with ex Jet Marcus Coleman. It’s detailed AF.  
 

My takeaways were that Mims is supremely talented but has some expected but significant things to learn with getting off press coverage with his shimmies and moves at LOS including hand fighting and not going the long way around the CB. He doesn’t have a ton of counter moves at the LOS.

Then at the top of his breaks he has some inefficiencies lunging into breaks with his plant step and not keeping his feet underneath him as well as rounding off his breaks. He also needs to take shorter steps at the breaks for better control and quicker movement.

he ran about 4 routes in college

he also pushes off A LOT, sometimes very clever and sometimes with brute strength that he’ll get some flags on

we have excellent WR coaches in Van Jefferson and Hines Ward to clean these things up and they sound simple on paper but I think in game action it’ll take a lot of reps to develop. WR’s often take a year or two to develop. 
 

Mims will probably see 100 balls this year but I think he’ll flash but we shouldn’t expect gangbuster from Jump Street.

for anyone interested 

 

 

[David Harris]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/stillcurtain.com/2020/05/05/steelers-denzel-mims-chase-claypool/amp/

 

and this is quick write up of Steelers Chase Claypool vs Mims

[win4ever]

So I’ve been working through this 2 hour pod breakdown of Mims by a Jets YouTube guy I don’t know with ex Jet Marcus Coleman. It’s detailed AF.  
 
My takeaways were that Mims is supremely talented but has some expected but significant things to learn with getting off press coverage with his shimmies and moves at LOS including hand fighting and not going the long way around the CB. He doesn’t have a ton of counter moves at the LOS.
Then at the top of his breaks he has some inefficiencies lunging into breaks with his plant step and not keeping his feet underneath him as well as rounding off his breaks. He also needs to take shorter steps at the breaks for better control and quicker movement.
he ran about 4 routes in college
we have excellent WR coaches in Van Jefferson and Hines Ward to clean these things up and they sound simple on paper but I think in game action it’ll take a lot of reps to develop. WR’s often take a year or two to develop. 
 
Mims will probably see 100 balls this year but I think he’ll flash but we shouldn’t expect gangbuster from Jump Street.
for anyone interested 

 
 

I’ve watched both videos, and a bunch of others......because I have an addiction, lol.

Mims doesn’t run a full route tree, but the routes he does compliment each other. He runs curls, slants, outs and go routes. Essentially 4 different directions, which is very similar to what Josh Gordon used to run his first year with the Browns.

When you are that fast and have size, defenders have to respect the deep speed. However, Mims has the lateral quickness to be good in slant or out routes as well.

The issues with him will be the nuances of the game, setting up his breaks, release form, etc. If he gets those things down, could legitimately be the top tier WR from this draft.

I think the real factor for him and the Jets depend on Perriman. If Perriman is on the field, that’s either a two safety look, or someone is getting a one on one outside. That’s really the biggest change I’m looking forward to seeing from the offense.

The YouTube guy, Joe, used to post here I believe, I think he was co-hosting the radio. He posts a ton of in-depth pieces that don’t seem to get much views. Wish he went more concept oriented because if you know “middle field closed for a mesh concept” you can probably watch film on your own. However, he puts in a great effort so it’s kind of a shame that it’s not more popular.

[David Harris]

1 hour ago, win4ever said:

 

I’ve watched both videos, and a bunch of others......because I have an addiction, lol.

Mims doesn’t run a full route tree, but the routes he does compliment each other. He runs curls, slants, outs and go routes. Essentially 4 different directions, which is very similar to what Josh Gordon used to run his first year with the Browns.

When you are that fast and have size, defenders have to respect the deep speed. However, Mims has the lateral quickness to be good in slant or out routes as well.

The issues with him will be the nuances of the game, setting up his breaks, release form, etc. If he gets those things down, could legitimately be the top tier WR from this draft.

I think the real factor for him and the Jets depend on Perriman. If Perriman is on the field, that’s either a two safety look, or someone is getting a one on one outside. That’s really the biggest change I’m looking forward to seeing from the offense.

The YouTube guy, Joe, used to post here I believe, I think he was co-hosting the radio. He posts a ton of in-depth pieces that don’t seem to get much views. Wish he went more concept oriented because if you know “middle field closed for a mesh concept” you can probably watch film on your own. However, he puts in a great effort so it’s kind of a shame that it’s not more popular.

 

Good stuff

ill try to follow the kid more, I appreciate the effort he puts in and thought he gave good analysis plus he somehow is connected enough to have an ex nfl guy like Marcus Coleman talk to him for hours on YouTube- pretty cool

[68JET11]

4 hours ago, David Harris said:

he also pushes off A LOT

This was a big thing that jumped out to me also when I watch clips of him... I hope that Jeff and Ward can break him of that habit, cause I think he will get a ton of flags as a rookie... We are after all the JETS, not the PATS...

[Kleckineau]

I am not concerned about the criticisms. The routes he ran in college were limited to his teams offensive play calls. He can learn to run any route in any playbook. Pushing off is not that big a deal. If he gets called a few times he will learn.

Would not surprise me one bit if he wound up being the best Jets draft pick since Adams.

[rangerous]

i'm from missouri, show me.  yes mims has the size speed and pass catching ability but we've seen this movie before with stephen hill, devon smith et al.  let's see how he performs on game day against nfl competition.

[Barry McCockinner]

3 minutes ago, rangerous said:

i'm from missouri, show me.  yes mims has the size speed and pass catching ability but we've seen this movie before with stephen baker, devon smith et al.  let's see how he performs on game day against nfl competition.

I generally agree with "show me" but what's with these examples?

 

[rangerous]

1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I generally agree with "show me" but what's with these examples?

 

stephen hill and devon smith were 2nd rounders who also didn't have a whole lot of routes and were drafted by the jets.

[Warfish]

Can the steal of the draft catch for 1,000 yards his rookie year, and consistently there after?

Can the steal of the draft help Sam Darnold, the best QB to come out the past three years I hear, throw for over 4,000 yards?

If so, that would be awesome.

I'd like to see these platitudes turn out true on the field for a change.  Maybe Mims is the guy to do it.

[sec101row23]

1 hour ago, rangerous said:

i'm from missouri, show me.  yes mims has the size speed and pass catching ability but we've seen this movie before with stephen hill, devon smith et al.  let's see how he performs on game day against nfl competition.

How exactly have we “seen this movie before” regarding Mims?   Mims is nothing like Hill or Smith.   So other than being drafted in the second round how have we seen this movie before?  

[Barry McCockinner]

12 minutes ago, rangerous said:

stephen hill and devon smith were 2nd rounders who also didn't have a whole lot of routes and were drafted by the jets.

Oh you originally had Stephen Baker and it threw me off.  Mims is far more polished than either coming out IMO, especially Hill.

[GKnight83]

7 hours ago, David Harris said:

Mims will probably see 100 balls this year but I think he’ll flash but we shouldn’t expect gangbuster from Jump Street

 

No offense intended but the only way this guy sees 100 balls is if he's the one carrying the ball bags out to practice every day.  At the very best he will catch 55 to 60 balls for 750 yards his rookie year.

[rangerous]

3 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

How exactly have we “seen this movie before” regarding Mims?   Mims is nothing like Hill or Smith.   So other than being drafted in the second round how have we seen this movie before?  

maybe but it's not like mims is a full service wr.  the article says he run 4 routes and sometimes not very well.  hill and smith were similar because they did run many routes.  all of these guys are were/are very fast.

[Philc1]

Was shocked Mims wasn’t drafted in the first rd let alone fell to 59

[rangerous]

5 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Oh you originally head Stephen Baker and it threw me off.  Mims is far more polished than either coming out IMO, especially Hill.

stephen baket td maker for the giaints.  he was a bit of a one trick pony like stephen hill.  i'm guessing mims is a more complete receiver than hill or smith but at the same time he didn't run many routes.  i think a lot of people think he's the second coming of keyshawn.  the truth is he needs work and right now he's probably going to be backing up perriman.

[Philc1]

3 minutes ago, rangerous said:

maybe but it's not like mims is a full service wr.  the article says he run 4 routes and sometimes not very well.  hill and smith were similar because they did run many routes.  all of these guys are were/are very fast.

Hill couldn’t catch.  Mims can

 

Take a break from obsessing over route tree and look at Mims’ tape from college catching balls thrown behind him while being covered well

 

[sec101row23]

7 minutes ago, rangerous said:

maybe but it's not like mims is a full service wr.  the article says he run 4 routes and sometimes not very well.  hill and smith were similar because they did run many routes.  all of these guys are were/are very fast.

First, I would bet that 95% of the receivers coming out of college, and the vast majority of NFL receivers don’t run every route in the tree, it’s an over-blown attribute.  Second, if you watched Hill at Ga. Tech you could see the severe limitations he had, it was an easy eval.   Smith, was about straight line speed, he possessed nothing else.  Being fast is about the only thing Mims has in common with Hill and Smith.  

[Warfish]

4 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Hill couldn’t catch.  Mims can

 

Take a break from obsessing over route tree and look at Mims’ tape from college catching balls thrown behind him while being covered well

 

So why do you think he fell so hard in the draft, with so many WR's taken before him?

[Philc1]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

So why do you think he fell so hard in the draft, with so many WR's taken before him?

Most likely it was a loaded WR draft and a lot of teams drafted WR early on

 

Every year really good WRs fall to round 2

[Philc1]

5 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

First, I would bet that 95% of the receivers coming out of college, and the vast majority of NFL receivers don’t run every route in the tree, it’s an over-blown attribute.  Second, if you watched Hill at Ga. Tech you could see the severe limitations he had, it was an easy eval.   Smith, was about straight line speed, he possessed nothing else.  Being fast is about the only thing Mims has in common with Hill and Smith.  

Most college offenses are nowhere near as complex as what’s in the nfl

[Jet Nut]

27 minutes ago, rangerous said:

stephen hill and devon smith were 2nd rounders who also didn't have a whole lot of routes and were drafted by the jets.

There are no similarities to their games.  Hill had maybe one route and Smith never was on the field, who knows what he would have been

Having to learn the nuances of the game, exactly why WR is one of the tougher transitions of the college to the NFL game

[Barry McCockinner]

9 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Hill couldn’t catch.  Mims can

 

Take a break from obsessing over route tree and look at Mims’ tape from college catching balls thrown behind him while being covered well

 

Right. As far as "show me" goes, Mims did a HELL of a lot more in college to show he's an NFL WR than Stephen Hill ever did. It's not even close.

[Warfish]

3 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Most likely it was a loaded WR draft and a lot of teams drafted WR early on

 

Every year really good WRs fall to round 2

Yes, but why would Mims specifically fall?  Why did a number of GM's think more of lesser prospects?

WR loaded draft is true, but why were many WR's considered lesser than Mims taken ahead of Mims?  I think we might want to know that, doncha think?

[Philc1]

13 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Yes, but why would Mims specifically fall?  Why did a number of GM's think more of lesser prospects?

WR loaded draft is true, but why were many WR's considered lesser than Mims taken ahead of Mims?  I think we might want to know that, doncha think?

So are you going to transfer your Sam hate to Mims now?  

[The Crimson King]

Nope

he may turn out to be one of the biggest steals in the draft but the biggest could prove to be a 5th round pick future perennial All Pro ...

Bryce Hall

[Philc1]

2 minutes ago, The Crimson King said:

Nope

he may turn out to be one of the biggest steals in the draft but the biggest could prove to be a 5th round pick future perennial All Pro ...

Bryce Hall

I hear a bunch of people raving about that guy

[#27TheDominator]

8 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Yes, but why would Mims specifically fall?  Why did a number of GM's think more of lesser prospects?

WR loaded draft is true, but why were many WR's considered lesser than Mims taken ahead of Mims?  I think we might want to know that, doncha think?

Even more concerning than Mims falling is that everybody seems to think Douglas knew he would fall.  They traded out in the 2nd and Claypool was the next pick.  They had to be comfortable with Claypool, Jefferson, or Mims.  If he miscalculated, the next guys Edwards and Duvernay went after Zuniga IIRC.  Seems like there was either a steep drop or teams just didn't have the need - which is what I suppose happened.  There is no reason to think the Jets or anybody else preferred Mims to Claypool or Jefferson, even if a bunch of us on the board did.

[Philc1]

3 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Even more concerning than Mims falling is that everybody seems to think Douglas knew he would fall.  They traded out in the 2nd and Claypool was the next pick.  They had to be comfortable with Claypool, Jefferson, or Mims.  If he miscalculated, the next guys Edwards and Duvernay went after Zuniga IIRC.  Seems like there was either a steep drop or teams just didn't have the need - which is what I suppose happened.  There is no reason to think the Jets or anybody else preferred Mims to Claypool or Jefferson, even if a bunch of us on the board did.

So Mims sucks now because JD was aware of other teams’ draft strategies?

[Chrebetfan80]

7 hours ago, David Harris said:

So I’ve been working through this 2 hour pod breakdown of Mims by a Jets YouTube guy I don’t know with ex Jet Marcus Coleman. It’s detailed AF.  
 

My takeaways were that Mims is supremely talented but has some expected but significant things to learn with getting off press coverage with his shimmies and moves at LOS including hand fighting and not going the long way around the CB. He doesn’t have a ton of counter moves at the LOS.

Then at the top of his breaks he has some inefficiencies lunging into breaks with his plant step and not keeping his feet underneath him as well as rounding off his breaks. He also needs to take shorter steps at the breaks for better control and quicker movement.

he ran about 4 routes in college

he also pushes off A LOT, sometimes very clever and sometimes with brute strength that he’ll get some flags on

we have excellent WR coaches in Van Jefferson and Hines Ward to clean these things up and they sound simple on paper but I think in game action it’ll take a lot of reps to develop. WR’s often take a year or two to develop. 
 

Mims will probably see 100 balls this year but I think he’ll flash but we shouldn’t expect gangbuster from Jump Street.

for anyone interested 

 

 

All very true, anyone that has paid attention to what I said  (paradis as well, credit where its due) about mims during the pre draft process, or looked at the film and knew what they were looking for will tell you the same thing.

Alot of this he has probably already been working on, he actually already looked improved in his senior bowl practice film coming out of his breaks in less steps... It takes practice reps.  same goes for release moves, the great thing about both is even with these restricted times, these are things he can get a TON of reps working on right now.  By the time camp roles around he'll be much improved.  

The hand fighting and pushing off is a different story and can be a difficult habit to break as it just comes naturally to some.. Hines was really good at this though, so having him as a resource to work with will help a ton as he develops.  

[pdxgreen]

I just want Perriman and Mims to be consistent.  You combine them with two big TE's who have shown they can catch a ball... and a slot receiver who knows how to get open.  Sam can make this offense work with a decent ground game.

[JustInFudge]

52 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

First, I would bet that 95% of the receivers coming out of college, and the vast majority of NFL receivers don’t run every route in the tree, it’s an over-blown attribute.  Second, if you watched Hill at Ga. Tech you could see the severe limitations he had, it was an easy eval.   Smith, was about straight line speed, he possessed nothing else.  Being fast is about the only thing Mims has in common with Hill and Smith.  

100%, I was just about to say, what WR coming out runs more than 4 routes in college?  I'd venture to say less than 5% of prospects have 4 or more routes they've really nailed down and Mims is really nothing like the 2nd RD WR picks of the Jets past.

Plenty of great WR's have been taken in and around where the Jets took Mims.  That 40-60 (which really isnt that big of a differencere from a prospect perspective, you're splitting hairs and it's a matter of preference at that point) range has actually been a sweet spot for the WR's lately.  Just in the past few years, that range has produced; AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Mecole Hardman, Cortland Sutton, Christian Kirk, Anthony Miller, DJ Chark, JuJu, Tyler Boyd, Michael Thomas, Sterling Shepard, Jordan Mathews, Davante Adams, Allen Robinson, Jarvis Landry, Robert Woods, Alshon Jeffery.

There really shouldnt be any concerns about the draft positioning at all.

 

[slats]

52 minutes ago, GKnight83 said:

No offense intended but the only way this guy sees 100 balls is if he's the one carrying the ball bags out to practice every day.  At the very best he will catch 55 to 60 balls for 750 yards his rookie year.

Looks like semantics to me. If he catches 55-60 passes, that probably means he had 100 thrown his way. 

47 minutes ago, rangerous said:

stephen baket td maker for the giaints.  he was a bit of a one trick pony like stephen hill.  i'm guessing mims is a more complete receiver than hill or smith but at the same time he didn't run many routes.  i think a lot of people think he's the second coming of keyshawn.  the truth is he needs work and right now he's probably going to be backing up perriman.

That would be a huge disappointment. I'm expecting primarily a base 3-WR set with Perriman and Mims both starting along with Crowder in the slot. It's certainly possible that Mims sees the field the least of the three, though, especially earlier in the year. I still expect him out there a lot. If he's healthy, figure something like 66% of the team's offensive snaps... ? 

36 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Yes, but why would Mims specifically fall?  Why did a number of GM's think more of lesser prospects?

WR loaded draft is true, but why were many WR's considered lesser than Mims taken ahead of Mims?  I think we might want to know that, doncha think?

It's a good question. Best I've seen is that there's a Big 12 bias, and a Baylor bias specifically. I don't know. Six WRs went before Mims in the second round, and the only one of those I expected to go before Mims was Higgins who went #33 overall. Joe Douglas was obviously happy to not take him at #48, but then happy to take him at #59. 

Dude has size, tests really well, was the star of the Senior Bowl, and produced in college. It was strange watching him drop, but I'm glad he's a Jet. Hope I still am this time next year. 

[Barry McCockinner]

48 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Yes, but why would Mims specifically fall?  Why did a number of GM's think more of lesser prospects?

WR loaded draft is true, but why were many WR's considered lesser than Mims taken ahead of Mims?  I think we might want to know that, doncha think?

Why do you think he fell?