THE BARON Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, docdhc said: How do you keep players and coaches from trying to win a game? It is not a matter of telling players to under perform or throw plays. Winning int the NFL even against losing teams is hard to do. You need to prepare, plan and execute. There are many ways to avoid doing any of those three or all three without having to say a word out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 41 minutes ago, THE BARON said: If the 49ers are as smart, you'd win the bet. Let's see if their GM agrees with me with Jones being a better prospect than Fields or Lance. And a better bet than Wilson for that matter, but he will be off the board when the 49'ers are up at 3 Other than my musing about Jones falling to the Pats, I see the first ten in the draft going like this 1. Lawrence 2. Wilson 3. Jones 4. Pitts 5. Chase (possible Sewell. Even thought he may be a risk, the previous injury to QB JB may entice them into the Sewell pick rather than taking what looks to be the best WR in the draft. 6. Sewell (if Bengals don't go for him, Chase if they do 7. Waddel 9. Horn 10. Fields Agree with you? Since they made the trade everyone has been saying they’re taking Jones. Not a stretch with that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: I was clearly implying that I would take the bet regarding your claim about Wilson being out of the league in 4 years. Name any price because I will bet he isn’t. Very possible you are correct. He may be another reclamation project like Darnold is now in four years, or he may be a back-up. The point is, Wilson is a very risky pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Agree with you? Since they made the trade everyone has been saying they’re taking Jones. Not a stretch with that one. Many of the mock drafts have the 49ers taking Fields. Some Lance. Agree, not a stretch, but not a sure bet. The larger point is that most of the GM's would agree to take Jones before Fields or Lance. Heck, I think the Jets should take Jones and not Wilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Mac Jones Mac Jones, oh yeah, the un-athletic guy who played with the best team in college football for like the last decade... They won't fall into Brady again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, THE BARON said: Very possible you are correct. He may be another reclamation project like Darnold is now in four years, or he may be a back-up. The point is, Wilson is a very risky pick. By far the best QB in this draft not named Lawrence. And he’s closer to him than he is to the rest. The Jets are lucky to have him. He’s ten times the prospect that Darnold ever was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, THE BARON said: Many of the mock drafts have the 49ers taking Fields. Some Lance. Agree, not a stretch, but not a sure bet. The larger point is that most of the GM's would agree to take Jones before Fields or Lance. Heck, I think the Jets should take Jones and not Wilson. Pretty much all have Jones. Jones had his pro day and then they traded up. Before Fields pro day. Might be nothing but seems odd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said: Pretty much all have Jones. Jones had his pro day and then they traded up. Before Fields pro day. Might be nothing but seems odd Agree. Important fact there. Either they liked Jones at his pro day, or perhaps they just wanted to make sure they were in striking distance of the two QB's not going to the Jags or Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STLuLu Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 5 hours ago, jgb said: Agree on Jones being #2. Lawrence - Jones - Fields - Wilson. Jones and Fields virtual tie for me but edge to Jones. No opinion on Lance. Hell, I'd take Lance over Jones. Anyone who puts Jones at #2 probably put Trubisky ahead of Watson and Mahomes in the 2017 draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STLuLu Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 23 minutes ago, THE BARON said: Many of the mock drafts have the 49ers taking Fields. Some Lance. Agree, not a stretch, but not a sure bet. The larger point is that most of the GM's would agree to take Jones before Fields or Lance. Heck, I think the Jets should take Jones and not Wilson. It's easy to look like the #2 QB in the draft when you played for a team that was loaded with studs at every position except the QB position. Hell, even Alabama's 3rd stringers are good enough to start else where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 40 minutes ago, STLuLu said: Hell, I'd take Lance over Jones. Anyone who puts Jones at #2 probably put Trubisky ahead of Watson and Mahomes in the 2017 draft. no but i did put baker over darnold and rosen as undraftable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Dunnie said: You have been here long enough to know better. Sent from my SM-G950U1 using Tapatalk Jets fans are capable of incredible double-think. Usually those with the strongest negative response to the idea rebound to have the strongest positive response to the act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 42 minutes ago, STLuLu said: It's easy to look like the #2 QB in the draft when you played for a team that was loaded with studs at every position except the QB position. Hell, even Alabama's 3rd stringers are good enough to start else where. I dig. Surrounding talent and level of competition is key in making evaluations. Look how many USC QB's were rated as top prospects... How did they end up ??? QED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftylarry Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 6 hours ago, greenwichjetfan said: More worried about the best QB in the draft (Fields) falling to the Pats, personally. I’m a big Fields guy too but he does have a legit health concern, it could be nothing, it could become an issue at any tine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 58 minutes ago, THE BARON said: Agree. Important fact there. Either they liked Jones at his pro day, or perhaps they just wanted to make sure they were in striking distance of the two QB's not going to the Jags or Jets. Could be but IMO thats a tough deal given all they gave up and not knowing who they'll be taking over the position. Also I dont think teams decide to draft a QB off their pro days. I think the pro days just validate, good or bad, what teams thought of that QB I think the Jets were pretty sure they were drafting Wilson and his ridiculous pro day sealed it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 18 minutes ago, jgb said: no but i did put baker over darnold and rosen as undraftable. Not too many had Rosen as undraftable. Good call. I had it: 1. Baker 2. Sam 3. Rosen 4. Allen I was off the mark. Especially on Allen who I figured would never be accurate or consistent enough for the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be_a_Jet Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Let him go to the Patriots. I much rather Mac Jones than see Fields or Lance reach their potential with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, STLuLu said: Hell, I'd take Lance over Jones. Anyone who puts Jones at #2 probably put Trubisky ahead of Watson and Mahomes in the 2017 draft. Lance had what, 287 passes? Hard to know what he will be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, THE BARON said: It is not a matter of telling players to under perform or throw plays. Winning int the NFL even against losing teams is hard to do. You need to prepare, plan and execute. There are many ways to avoid doing any of those three or all three without having to say a word out loud. You mean like calling a cover 0 blitz up 4 with no time left? There are only some many times you can get away with that sh*t. There are ways to get fined and have your picks forfeited without saying a word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 My son is convinced Belicheat will wind up with Fields, who goes on to become all world for NE. Says he will completely flip if this happens. Nice to see I ruined another human's life on this planet by making him a Jet fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: You mean like calling a cover 0 blitz up 4 with no time left? There are only some many times you can get away with that sh*t. There are ways to get fined and have your picks forfeited without saying a word. And, with that, you have stumbled on how and why the Jets brass got *maneuvered* out of Trevor Lawrence. There are several NFL owners that don't like or respect the Jets and their ownership. Some who didn't want to see the a generational prospect like Lawrence wind up with the Jets. Pressure was put on the league office and in turn, they contacted the Jets and threatened them with forfeiture of their draft pick if it could be proven that they were throwing games. There was "insider" talk about coaches on the Jets that were pissed off about having to throw games and this point was made to the Jets brass. It was then, that the Jets began their winning ways. And so... We get Wilson and not the guy we could have had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Is anyone actually concerned about Mac F'n Jones? I'd be much more concerned if Fields or Lance fell to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 30 minutes ago, THE BARON said: Not too many had Rosen as undraftable. Good call. I had it: 1. Baker 2. Sam 3. Rosen 4. Allen I was off the mark. Especially on Allen who I figured would never be accurate or consistent enough for the NFL. Didn't even really bother learning about Allen. Knew Macc would make a superficial comparison to Hack and his butthole would pucker from that bad memory and he would never, ever draft him. If Giants took Darnold, there is a 100% chance Macc was taking Rosen. And we would be hearing the exact same excuses about Rosen's god-awful play as we do about Darnold's -- bad coaching, can't evaluate due to poor supporting cast, etc. Call me a simpleton but good players play good, especially over significant sample sizes. It's really that basic. If you're making excuses for your FQB, you don't have a FQB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetswinbaby! Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 It is more likely that Belichik will be out of the league in 4 years... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 And? So what. If Douglas has done his job then he’ll pick the guy that’s right for the jets. After that it’s up to saleh and lafleurvto get him ready for prime time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Who cares . The Pats are done stop obsessing now. It’s like the Yankees after Jeter and Mariano left .....it’s over . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 It doesn't matter which QB N.E drafts because Bill is a career loser without Tom Brady. Without Brady? Belichick has coached 10+ QBs and has lost with them all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullblast Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Oh no, they might finish third this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STLuLu Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Lance had what, 287 passes? Hard to know what he will be Not his fault. What you want him to do? Return to school next year just to get more passess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 minute ago, STLuLu said: Not his fault. What you want him to do? Return to school next year just to get more passess? Doesn't have to be his fault to be a red flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STLuLu Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: Doesn't have to be his fault to be a red flag. Inexperiance isn't a red flag. Being caught on tape running from the cops when you're not wanted is a red flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, STLuLu said: Inexperiance isn't a red flag. Being caught on tape running from the cops when you're not wanted is a red flag. It is absolutely a red flag. Maybe the biggest one. Literally one QB in the history of the NFL has been successful with one season starting at college and that was Cam Newton, who was pretty exceptional in a lot of ways. Lance may be good but he will be a huge outlier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 10 hours ago, THE BARON said: After Trevor Lawrence, I have Mac Jones rated as the second best QB prospect in the draft. I have a feeling he's going to wind up landing right in Belichick's lap. Would that not just be sooo much like the Jets and the Pats ??? The Jets take Zac Wilson at 2'nd overall and he's out of the league in four years. Mac Jones lands at the 15th spot with the Patriots, is out of the starting gate quickly and wins a Super Bowl before his rookie contract is up. Wanna bet ? Look I have concerns about Wilson but I like to have e a positive attitude. Too many of our fans are negative all the time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamax99 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Would love to see Panthers draft fields And Chicago jump Pats for Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted April 30, 2021 Author Share Posted April 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jamax99 said: Would love to see Panthers draft fields And Chicago jump Pats for Jones. Wow... Could Jones or Fields actually fall to the Pats ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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