Popular Post AFJF Posted May 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2022 Joe D, folks. 21 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PS17 Posted May 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2022 It’s been said a ton since the draft. Regardless of how these picks turn out, the vision and execution of a coherent plan has been incredible to watch. Every Jets GM since I’ve started watching in the early 2000s has just been winging it. Not Joe. 41 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Pac Posted May 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2022 Of all the GMs who've won 6 games over a 2 year stretch, JD is definitely top 10. 5 3 34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted May 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2022 Not exactly a small achievement, either. We were in the top 5 in dead cap every year from 2019-2021 thanks to Maccagnan. We're finally rid of all those bad contracts 3 years after his firing. EDIT: We still have the Mosley contract on the books. Disregard that last sentence.... 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UntouchableCrew Posted May 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2022 He knows what he's doing. He has a plan and a vision. Time for that to start paying off. It's really up to Zach Wilson. If Wilson hits it feels like we're on the verge of a great stretch of Jets football. God knows we deserve it. 17 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted May 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Pac said: Of all the GMs who've won 6 games over a 2 year stretch, JD is definitely top 10. Of all the GMs who ever created dead cap in NFL history, Mike Maccagnan is definitely # 1. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Not exactly a small achievement, either. We were in the top 5 in dead cap every year from 2019-2021 thanks to Maccagnan. We're finally rid of all those bad contracts 3 years after his firing. Actually I take that part back. We still have the CJ Mosley contract. Almost forgot about that. Thanks Macc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 32EBoozer Posted May 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, AFJF said: Joe D, folks. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted May 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2022 2022 marks the first season since 2018 that the Jets are NOT paying Trumaine Johnson. Thanks Macc. 2 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
65 Toss Power Trap Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 I know I can "Google it," but what is dead cap? How does it affect a team or help a team? A Google search found: "It is the total amount of money the player is promised to receive regardless of other factors. Even if the player is released before the entirety of their contract, they are still owed the total amount of guaranteed money agreed upon, regardless of how the rest of the agreement is structured." But what does that mean? Cap space being eat up by guaranteed money of players not the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 JD knows what he is doing. If the Jets show upward trajectory this season, he’s here for the long term 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Shouldn't it be first in dead cap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BeaconJet Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, 65 Toss Power Trap said: I know I can "Google it," but what is dead cap? How does it affect a team or help a team? A Google search found: "It is the total amount of money the player is promised to receive regardless of other factors. Even if the player is released before the entirety of their contract, they are still owed the total amount of guaranteed money agreed upon, regardless of how the rest of the agreement is structured." But what does that mean? Cap space being eat up by guaranteed money of players no on the team? Yes, its simply the amount of salary cap charges, both guaranteed salaries and signing bonuses, for players no longer on the roster. Spotrac has a good guide here: https://www.spotrac.com/research/NFL/nfl-dead-cap-101-718/ And from that site - "Shorter term contracts with front-loaded cash and smaller bonuses = less dead cap" - which has been JD's M.O. during his tenure here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: 2022 marks the first season since 2018 that the Jets are NOT paying Trumaine Johnson. Thanks Macc. It goes to show you that 2015, while fun until week 17, was ultimately very damaging to the franchise. It bought Macc at least another year and probably two. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nycdan Posted May 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2022 Only 51 more days until Bobby Bonilla Day. 1 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, 65 Toss Power Trap said: what is dead cap? DE with gang ties use that term 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 26 minutes ago, Pac said: Of all the GMs who've won 6 games over a 2 year stretch, JD is definitely top 10. Ok, this was funny the past GM was trash tho, my friend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted May 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2022 Maccagnan's list of dead cap failure over the years: Le'Veon Bell: $19.1M Quincy Enunwa: $15.5M Trumaine Johnson: $12M Kelechi Osemele: $10.2M Leonard Williams: $9.4M Darrelle Revis: $6M Sam Darnold: $5M Ryan Fitzpatrick: $5M Avery Williamson: $3.6M Jamal Adams: $3.6M Marcus Gilchrist: $2.8M Isaiah Crowell: $2.1M Chris Herndon: $1.6M Darron Lee: $1.4M Jachai Polite: $1.1M Matt Forte: $1M Christian Hackenberg: $795K ArDarius Stewart: $650K Devin Smith $632K Worst GM in NFL history, and it isn't close. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Maccagnan's list of dead cap failure over the years: Le'Veon Bell: $19.1M Quincy Enunwa: $15.7M Trumaine Johnson: $12M Kelechi Osemele: $10.2M Leonard Williams: $9.4M Darrelle Revis: $6M Sam Darnold: $5M Ryan Fitzpatrick: $5M Avery Williamson: $3.6M Jamal Adams: $3.6M Marcus Gilchrist: $2.8M Isaiah Crowell: $2.1M Chris Herndon: $1.6M Darron Lee: $1.4M Jachai Polite: $1.1M Matt Forte: $1M Christian Hackenberg: $795K ArDarius Stewart: $650K Devin Smith $632K Worst GM in NFL history, and it isn't close. It’s like looking at actual sh*t 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted May 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, 65 Toss Power Trap said: I know I can "Google it," but what is dead cap? How does it affect a team or help a team? A Google search found: "It is the total amount of money the player is promised to receive regardless of other factors. Even if the player is released before the entirety of their contract, they are still owed the total amount of guaranteed money agreed upon, regardless of how the rest of the agreement is structured." But what does that mean? Cap space being eat up by guaranteed money of players not the team? Essentially, yes. The salary cap means each team has the same max amount of money all their contracts can add up to each year. If you have a player who is no longer on your roster but whose contract has designated cap space for the current year, that reduces the amount of cap space contracts can be designated for players who are actually on the roster in the current year. For example: Salary Cap: 200 million dollars. Dead Cap: 20 million dollars Now you only have 180 million dollars to pay players currently on the roster because of the dead money paid to a player no longer on the roster. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 45 minutes ago, AFJF said: Joe D, folks. Tbh, I'm a little bit upset. At least it was one of the few things we were top 3 in. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louie Jet Fan Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 26 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: 2022 marks the first season since 2018 that the Jets are NOT paying Trumaine Johnson. Thanks Macc. ? Is this true? If so, I want his agent negotiating my next contract. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, slimjasi said: It’s like looking at actual sh*t Just like Isaiah Crowell, who appears on that list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Maccagnan's list of dead cap failure over the years: Le'Veon Bell: $19.1M Quincy Enunwa: $15.7M Trumaine Johnson: $12M Kelechi Osemele: $10.2M Leonard Williams: $9.4M Darrelle Revis: $6M Sam Darnold: $5M Ryan Fitzpatrick: $5M Avery Williamson: $3.6M Jamal Adams: $3.6M Marcus Gilchrist: $2.8M Isaiah Crowell: $2.1M Chris Herndon: $1.6M Darron Lee: $1.4M Jachai Polite: $1.1M Matt Forte: $1M Christian Hackenberg: $795K ArDarius Stewart: $650K Devin Smith $632K Worst GM in NFL history, and it isn't close. Kind of tough to blame Maccagnan for the dead cap on Williams, Darnold, Williamson, Adams, Herndon and Lee when their dead cap was the result of trades. Lee was the only one that wasn't a clear win in trade value and was really just a get this guy out of here move. Also kind of hard to call him the "Worst GM in NFL history, and it isn't even close." when it is at a minimum close as to whether he was the Jets worse GM in the 2000-teens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, St Louie Jet Fan said: ? Is this true? If so, I want his agent negotiating my next contract. Actually, my bad. He stopped getting paid by the Jets after 2019, but his contract impacted the Jets' cap in 2020 and 2021: https://overthecap.com/player/trumaine-johnson/1355/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Maccagnan's list of dead cap failure over the years: Le'Veon Bell: $19.1M Quincy Enunwa: $15.5M Trumaine Johnson: $12M Kelechi Osemele: $10.2M Leonard Williams: $9.4M Darrelle Revis: $6M Sam Darnold: $5M Ryan Fitzpatrick: $5M Avery Williamson: $3.6M Jamal Adams: $3.6M Marcus Gilchrist: $2.8M Isaiah Crowell: $2.1M Chris Herndon: $1.6M Darron Lee: $1.4M Jachai Polite: $1.1M Matt Forte: $1M Christian Hackenberg: $795K ArDarius Stewart: $650K Devin Smith $632K Worst GM in NFL history, and it isn't close. Joe Douglas turned that herpes infested list into two first round picks, a second round pick, 2 3rd round picks, 3 4th round picks, a 6th round pick and Bradley McDougald. One of those 4th rounders was sent in the Adams trade so maybe it should be 2 4th round picks instead of 3 but whatevs. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Kind of tough to blame Maccagnan for the dead cap on Williams, Darnold, Williamson, Adams, Herndon and Lee when their dead cap was the result of trades. Lee was the only one that wasn't a clear win in trade value and was really just a get this guy out of here move. Also kind of hard to call him the "Worst GM in NFL history, and it isn't even close." when it is at a minimum close as to whether he was the Jets worse GM in the 2000-teens. The mere fact that none of those players were worth getting to the ends of their contracts with the team that drafted them indeed pins it on Maccagnan. They were awful draft picks and the Jets' haven't missed a single one of those players since they were traded or cut. But even if you want to quibble at those, what are your thoughts on the other players listed? Not bothered by that sh*t sandwich are you? Dude gave a contract with massive injury guarantees to a guy with a busted neck. Come on man. And it isn't hard at all to call him the worst GM in NFL history. He was far worse than Tannenbaum and even Idzik (take a gander at the contracts he signed and his 2013 draft class - not that terrible), and when you look at a guy like Matt Millen's draft history, its' massively better than Maccagnan's. For a guy like you that pays a lot of attention to the details, I'm amazed you can look at Macc's record over his 5 years and defend him in any way. Terrible takes by you that only Pac could be proud of. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Kind of tough to blame Maccagnan for the dead cap on Williams, Darnold, Williamson, Adams, Herndon and Lee when their dead cap was the result of trades. Lee was the only one that wasn't a clear win in trade value and was really just a get this guy out of here move. Also kind of hard to call him the "Worst GM in NFL history, and it isn't even close." when it is at a minimum close as to whether he was the Jets worse GM in the 2000-teens. Scratch all those names its still a sh*t list more of a wet fart, not really a full blown dookie perhaps but let me tell you a story I’m a big PSU fan. I probably saw close to every snap of hack’s college career. When they drafted him - I openly mocked it and I’m usually an optimist by nature. All of my psu fam knew he was a bust. Most NFL GMs knew it too. Taking that guy in the second round? JFC that was, in all sincerity and frankness, I submit to you, good sir, the worst draft pick of all time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 36 minutes ago, 65 Toss Power Trap said: I know I can "Google it," but what is dead cap? How does it affect a team or help a team? A Google search found: "It is the total amount of money the player is promised to receive regardless of other factors. Even if the player is released before the entirety of their contract, they are still owed the total amount of guaranteed money agreed upon, regardless of how the rest of the agreement is structured." But what does that mean? Cap space being eat up by guaranteed money of players not the team? Being no scholar on salary cap I would think it means you’re paying someone not to work for you since the organization guaranteed the amount of money you were set to receive regardless of playing status or if you are no longer employed by the organization 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 39 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: 2022 marks the first season since 2018 that the Jets are NOT paying Trumaine Johnson. Thanks Macc. That idiot was a ******* disaster. Idzik was 10x the GM Mac was. Awful. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copernicus Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Just like Isaiah Crowell, who appears on that list. Such an embarassment to himself, his team and coaches. Would have been thrown off or suspended from any High School team. Hopefully never see this type of display again from the Jets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Maccagnan's list of dead cap failure over the years: Le'Veon Bell: $19.1M Quincy Enunwa: $15.5M Trumaine Johnson: $12M Kelechi Osemele: $10.2M Leonard Williams: $9.4M Darrelle Revis: $6M Sam Darnold: $5M Ryan Fitzpatrick: $5M Avery Williamson: $3.6M Jamal Adams: $3.6M Marcus Gilchrist: $2.8M Isaiah Crowell: $2.1M Chris Herndon: $1.6M Darron Lee: $1.4M Jachai Polite: $1.1M Matt Forte: $1M Christian Hackenberg: $795K ArDarius Stewart: $650K Devin Smith $632K Worst GM in NFL history, and it isn't close. Seeing the cap situation of the NY football Giants Gettleman gave Mac a run for his money. They are in the same shape cap wise as the Jets were in when JD took over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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