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Jarrett Stidham, aka one of just 4 QB's that Jamal Adams has intercepted in his 5-year career (@T0mShane) has been moved to the Raiders along with a 2023 7th rounder for a 2023 6th rounder.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/raiders-to-trade-for-patriots-quarterback-jarrett-stidham-per-report/

Raiders to trade for Patriots quarterback Jarrett Stidham, per report

Josh McDaniels is reportedly taking his former backup QB with him to Vegas

 

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The Las Vegas Raiders are reportedly adding another quarterback to the fold, as the club is working to trade for New England Patriots backup Jarrett Stidham, per Albert Breer of SI.com. The Raiders will reportedly send a 2023 sixth-round pick to the Patriots, while New England will send Stidham and a 2023 seventh-round pick to Vegas. 

The Raiders have Derek Carr, Nick Mullens and Garrett Gilbert currently on roster, but new head coach and former Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels is of course familiar with Stidham. The Patriots could stand to part ways with Stidham, as they recently added Bailey Zappe in the fourth round of the 2022 NFL Draft, and D'Eriq King as an intriguing undrafted free agent to go along with starter Mac Jones and veteran Brian Hoyer.

Stidham was selected by the Patriots in the fourth round of the 2019 NFL Draft out of Auburn. In two seasons with the Tigers, the Baylor transfer threw for 5,952 yards, 36 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. Stidham hasn't recorded an NFL start, but has played in eight games, completing 24 of 48 passes for 270 yards, two touchdowns and four interceptions. He did not see any action in 2021. 

While Carr signed a three-year extension worth $121.5 million this offseason, McDaniels clearly sees potential in the 25-year-old Stidham. 

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Only a genius like Belichick could have the vision and foresight to use a 4th round pick as a way to bank a move-up from the seventh to the sixth round 5 years later. The Pats just play on a different field than the rest of the league.

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8 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

Only a genius like Belichick could have the vision and foresight to use a 4th round pick as a way to bank a move-up from the seventh to the sixth round 5 years later. The Pats just play on a different field than the rest of the league.

 

It's funny that some people in the media are calling Bill a wiley old fox because he took another QB in the 4th this year, as though he's playing chess with the rest of the league.

We all know he's just throwing sh*t at the wall and hoping he gets lucky again by getting another Brady. 

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32 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

Only a genius like Belichick could have the vision and foresight to use a 4th round pick as a way to bank a move-up from the seventh to the sixth round 5 years later. The Pats just play on a different field than the rest of the league.


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4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Jarrett Stidham, aka one of just 4 QB's that Jamal Adams has intercepted in his 5-year career (@T0mShane) has been moved to the Raiders along with a 2023 7th rounder for a 2023 6th rounder.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/raiders-to-trade-for-patriots-quarterback-jarrett-stidham-per-report/

Raiders to trade for Patriots quarterback Jarrett Stidham, per report

Josh McDaniels is reportedly taking his former backup QB with him to Vegas

 

By Jordan Dajani

5 hrs ago•1 min read

 

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The Las Vegas Raiders are reportedly adding another quarterback to the fold, as the club is working to trade for New England Patriots backup Jarrett Stidham, per Albert Breer of SI.com. The Raiders will reportedly send a 2023 sixth-round pick to the Patriots, while New England will send Stidham and a 2023 seventh-round pick to Vegas. 

The Raiders have Derek Carr, Nick Mullens and Garrett Gilbert currently on roster, but new head coach and former Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels is of course familiar with Stidham. The Patriots could stand to part ways with Stidham, as they recently added Bailey Zappe in the fourth round of the 2022 NFL Draft, and D'Eriq King as an intriguing undrafted free agent to go along with starter Mac Jones and veteran Brian Hoyer.

Stidham was selected by the Patriots in the fourth round of the 2019 NFL Draft out of Auburn. In two seasons with the Tigers, the Baylor transfer threw for 5,952 yards, 36 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. Stidham hasn't recorded an NFL start, but has played in eight games, completing 24 of 48 passes for 270 yards, two touchdowns and four interceptions. He did not see any action in 2021. 

While Carr signed a three-year extension worth $121.5 million this offseason, McDaniels clearly sees potential in the 25-year-old Stidham. 

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15 hours ago, defensedoesntgetyoulaid said:

 

It's funny that some people in the media are calling Bill a wiley old fox because he took another QB in the 4th this year, as though he's playing chess with the rest of the league.

We all know he's just throwing sh*t at the wall and hoping he gets lucky again by getting another Brady. 

No, but he is salvaging something from a guy that was unlikely to make the roster and it gives them a little cap space.

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16 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

Only a genius like Belichick could have the vision and foresight to use a 4th round pick as a way to bank a move-up from the seventh to the sixth round 5 years later. The Pats just play on a different field than the rest of the league.

If you can draft a solid backup in the 4th round and he makes your roster for 5 years and you can replace him and still get a pick for him that's actually solid value. 

Take as an example James Morgan.   We used a 4 to draft him in 2020.  He wasn't good enough to be a backup and we cut him in 2021.

BB has done a lot of things wrong and a lot of things right.  This was one of the things he did right.  You have this backwards. 

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3 hours ago, Biggs said:

If you can draft a solid backup in the 4th round and he makes your roster for 5 years and you can replace him and still get a pick for him that's actually solid value. 

Take as an example James Morgan.   We used a 4 to draft him in 2020.  He wasn't good enough to be a backup and we cut him in 2021.

BB has done a lot of things wrong and a lot of things right.  This was one of the things he did right.  You have this backwards. 

LOL. Stidham contributed about as much to the Pats as Morgan did to the Jets; the only games he played in where he had more than 5 attempts were blowout losses. The fact that Morgan wasn't a good pick doesn't make Stidham one

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6 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

LOL. Stidham contributed about as much to the Pats as Morgan did to the Jets; the only games he played in where he had more than 5 attempts were blowout losses. The fact that Morgan wasn't a good pick doesn't make Stidham one

He was the backup QB on the roster for 2 years.  They got something back for him.   No team wants their backup QB to contribute.  They want him to do occassional mop up duty.   He contributed way more than Morgan.  He was on the roster and he wasn't cut and when they didn't need him they got something for him.  

Picking a backup around 4 or after if they make the roster and you can unloade them for a pick ain't bad.  The fact that the Pats former OC traded for him rather than let him hit FA shows he was a much better pick than Morgan.  Morgan wasn't good enough to be on the Jets roster when the Jets QB room was a trash can.  

There's nothing wrong with that stradegy.  If we decide to move on from Mike White if we can unload him for a pick and get another backup at 4 or after sign me up.  

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40 minutes ago, Biggs said:

He was the backup QB on the roster for 2 years.  They got something back for him.   No team wants their backup QB to contribute.  They want him to do occassional mop up duty.   He contributed way more than Morgan.  He was on the roster and he wasn't cut and when they didn't need him they got something for him.  

Picking a backup around 4 or after if they make the roster and you can unloade them for a pick ain't bad.  The fact that the Pats former OC traded for him rather than let him hit FA shows he was a much better pick than Morgan.  Morgan wasn't good enough to be on the Jets roster when the Jets QB room was a trash can.  

There's nothing wrong with that stradegy.  If we decide to move on from Mike White if we can unload him for a pick and get another backup at 4 or after sign me up.  

You want your backup to give your team a chance to win the games in which he has to play - and, when you don't have a stud QB, to push for the starting job. Stidham did neither of those things. Your definition of a "successful pick" appears to be "occupied a roster spot"; yes, by that metric, he was a successful pick. 

I think that's an incredibly stupid metric.

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1 hour ago, Doggin94it said:

You want your backup to give your team a chance to win the games in which he has to play - and, when you don't have a stud QB, to push for the starting job. Stidham did neither of those things. Your definition of a "successful pick" appears to be "occupied a roster spot"; yes, by that metric, he was a successful pick. 

I think that's an incredibly stupid metric.

Talk about stupid metrics.  The Pats drafted him as a developmental player.  He no longer has value to them.  They got a 6th rounder for their sunk cost. We got zero for our sunk cost.  Talk about a dumb metric.

GM's draft guys who become sunk cost.  When you get value for the sunk cost, whatever it may be by any metric even an incredibly stupid metric it's better than the dolt who got nothing.

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On 5/13/2022 at 3:23 PM, Biggs said:

Talk about stupid metrics.  The Pats drafted him as a developmental player.  He no longer has value to them.  They got a 6th rounder for their sunk cost. We got zero for our sunk cost.  Talk about a dumb metric.

GM's draft guys who become sunk cost.  When you get value for the sunk cost, whatever it may be by any metric even an incredibly stupid metric it's better than the dolt who got nothing.

Being able to get minimal value back for your sunk cost doesn't retroactively make the decision to invest (to sink that cost in the first place) a good one.

Just let it go. It's ok to be wrong.

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9 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

Being able to get minimal value back for your sunk cost doesn't retroactively make the decision to invest (to sink that cost in the first place) a good one.

Just let it go. It's ok to be wrong.

Lets examine your stupid metrics argument.  Last year several teams drafted QB's early in the first round.   To date we have very little idea of the metric value of any of them.  

Several years ago the Jets and Cardinals drafted early first round QB's.  Both teams dumped both of them trading them for lower value draft picks than were used on them.   In both cases it was the right move.  Both teams sold seats, had a starting QB and when they had an opportunity to upgrade the position dumped them for less than full value.  Was it a mistake to take them in the first place?  Only because hindsight changes everything. 

The Pats have drafted developmental QB's in the past.  Tom Brady and Jimmy G just to name two. In Brady's case it's probably an example of the greatest on metric draft value in NFL History.  In the case of Jimmy G they had a backup QB that stepped in and won games and was traded for a 2.  In the Jimmy G case the metrics look good but I think he was worth more than what they got for him so I think it was a bad move on a metric basis but it was a necessary move to keep the team from coming apart.  Subjective in either case.

The Jets had Joe Flacco on the roster and cut him.  They brought him back and traded what turned into a 5 for him.  Flacco has actually started 5 games for the NY Jets.  He's record is 0 and 5.  Still there's an argument to be made that a veteran presence who sucks and can't win games has roster value and might actually be worth a 5th round pick.

Every NFL team carries at least 3 QB's.  They run scout teams, they come in when there is an injury, they throw to guys in practice, they participate in the QB room.  The Pats drafted Stidman in round 4 as a  developmental QB.  He did all the things a QB on the roster does including some mop up time and a couple of plays when the starter was hurt.  They drafted Mac Jones with pick 15 last year.  He is firmly entranched as their starter.  Stidman is no longer a developmntal QB for the Pats.  He's former coach wanted him to perform all the functions he was performing for the Pats for the Raiders.  It's a free pick.  They can use it any way they want it.  It's an assett that to the Pats has more value than Stidman at this point in time. 

NFL GM's will draft QB's in every round of the NFL draft always have always will.  You need QBs on NFL rosters beyond the starter.  The idea that taking a player in the 4th round who has been on the roster for a couple of year and trading him for a 5th or 6th is somehow a bad metric discounts the two years they spent on the team as lacking any value.  That's highly speculative on your part and certainly doesn't meat the standard of evidence counselor.  

Your objection is overruled. 

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