Robert Saleh Poll

[Sonny Werblin]

This season has solidified my feelings on Robert Saleh. Bottom line is he stinks. He has no inclination to become meaningfully involved with the offensive side of the team. A successful HC must put his stamp on the O, the D and the Special Teams. He is a glorified HC of the D and has demonstrated ad infinitum that he is clueless on the O side of the ball. He also has demonstrated that he lacks the ability to identify and hire excellent assistant coaches favoring friends and acquaintances over more qualified candidates. 

[Beerfish]

If Douglas gets to stay then so does Saleh.

They get one more year becasue they both wrecked the team to get Rodgers so we have to see if he can save the team.

Both Saleh and Douglas do some things well but the things they do poorly are really bad.  Some of Salehs comments are needless and stupid and come back to haunt him.   Receipts, we are embarrassing all of these QBs, giving hackett the game ball after beating Denver.

[carlito1171]

As much as Saleh pisses me off with his ideologies and I'm about ready to move on from him....the logical choice is to see what he can do with a healthy Rodgers, that's the bed we made, and from a financial standpoint we're stuck with Rodgers anyways

Also.....Saleh has had Zach Wilson as his QB for the duration of his time here.....maybe its different with a different QB

[Larz]

What does Rodgers think?

that’s all that matters 

[Sonny Werblin]

20 minutes ago, carlito1171 said:

As much as Saleh pisses me off with his ideologies and I'm about ready to move on from him....the logical choice is to see what he can do with a healthy Rodgers, that's the bed we made, and from a financial standpoint we're stuck with Rodgers anyways

Also.....Saleh has had Zach Wilson as his QB for the duration of his time here.....maybe its different with a different QB

What if Saleh "wins" with Rodgers as starting QB and de fact OC? How much "winning" does Saleh need to do to keep his job? What happens when Rodgers retires after a season or two? Then we're stuck with the same offensive ignorant HC?  

[Hex]

I want him gone, but not if it means someone worse comes in. Except that's the thing. Can the Jets do that?

[JetPotato]

Saleh should be gone. He'll make a fine defensive coordinator for someone. This organization badly needs to bring in a head coach and his staff that are elite offensive minds that can identify and develop talent on that side of the ball. Rodgers can pound sand if he doesn't like it. Come back and play if you want under the new guys. Retire if you don't. Pretty simple, if you just have some balls.

[Rich Thornburgh]

Bowles 2.0.  I wish him the best when he goes back to officially being a DC somewhere in 2025

[section314]

41 minutes ago, Larz said:

What does Rodgers think?

that’s all that matters 

Agreed. He’s  player/coach/owner. His voice is the only one that matters.

[carlito1171]

26 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

What if Saleh "wins" with Rodgers as starting QB and de fact OC? How much "winning" does Saleh need to do to keep his job? What happens when Rodgers retires after a season or two? Then we're stuck with the same offensive ignorant HC?  

I think me and you both know the answer......we ultimately will delay the inevitable going down this path and we'll start yet another rebuild 1-2 years after when it was evident we needed one....

But again....this is the path that these 3(Woody, JD, Saleh) have chosen.....I'm by no means a Saleh apologist....if it we're up to me I'm cleaning house by season's end.....but we knew the risks when the Jets decided to chase Rodgers.....because the Football Gods smite us any chance they get we have to live through the worse case scenario in this plan....

[fullblast]

1 hour ago, Sonny Werblin said:

This season has solidified my feelings on Robert Saleh. Bottom line is he stinks. He has no inclination to become meaningfully involved with the offensive side of the team. A successful HC must put his stamp on the O, the D and the Special Teams. He is a glorified HC of the D and has demonstrated ad infinitum that he is clueless on the O side of the ball. He also has demonstrated that he lacks the ability to identify and hire excellent assistant coaches favoring friends and acquaintances over more qualified candidates. 

Literally just described Belichick.

[JiFtheOracle]

As an objective observer of the New York Jets who just truly enjoys conversating w/ their wonderful fanbase, I dont think you have a choice but to roll it back w/ Saleh and see if he can make it work w/ Rodgers.  Not just because Rodgers wants him as the HC but also because, you wont be able to attract a great HC to come play second fiddle to Rodgers till he retires, so you're kind of stuck till this experiment ends. 

[shawn306]

I voted to give him 1 more year, but if Rodgers see the field this year in a meaningless game then I would want him and Douglas out.

It is all about 2024 now.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

We're stuck in neutral for another year. I don't know what's worse, whether they were delusional into thinking Zach and Boyle were it until Rodgers came back or they punted on the season at the trade deadline because they knew they were safe for next year regardless.

[RedBeardedSavage]

One more year with Rodgers.

We did beat Philly, almost beat the Chiefs, and beat Buffalo once - all with Zach f***ing Wilson doing his best Chuck Knoblauch impression. 

Throw all available cap and draft picks at the offensive line.

[Warfish]

He (and JD, and Hackett) should be fired at the conclusion of the season and only if a better candidate is available (meaning just about anyone)

[slimjasi]

Saleh is a good defensive coach who has no business being a head coach in the NFL. 
 

If Rodgers comes back next year as an elite QB, he might be able to drag Saleh (and his 141 slogans for entrepreneurs) to the playoffs. If not, Saleh will get canned and probably end up with one of the lowest winning percentages in franchise history. 

[carlito1171]

21 minutes ago, Jets Voice of Reason said:

they punted on the season at the trade deadline because they knew they were safe for next year regardless.

Been saying this since like week 3.....they've been conducting business like people who know they're safe for next season

[kevinc855]

I think Saleh needs to go at the conclusion of the season if the losing continues. If the Jets have a worse record then 2022 thats damning evidence and be a completely justified firing. If Saleh can somehow right the ship slightly and get the team to end on a positive note I guess he gets 2024 with a playoff win mandate. 

[bla bla bla]

Douglas and Saleh are tied at the hip. Both should get 1 more season because we are not an attractive landing spot this offseason.

[bitonti]

Saleh is what he is a defensive head coach who runs a good defense 

I'm not going to be mad at this dude because he's not bill Walsh 

In fact Saleh is better at being a HC than Douglas is at being a gm 

[bitonti]

2 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

Douglas and Saleh are tied at the hip. Both should get 1 more season because we are not an attractive landing spot this offseason.

And conveniently they both have 1 year left on their deals 

[Sonny Werblin]

40 minutes ago, fullblast said:

Literally just described Belichick.

Nope. BB is the reason the Patriots like to be run oriented. He gave Brady one pass happy season when undefeated and lost the SB. Every other year the Pats have run a BB dictated risk averse run oriented offense. Who do you think was behind the double TE Gronk/Hernandez O?

[Biggs]

If we get to 9 wins this year I would keep him.  Another lossing season he should be gone.  

[Flea Flicking Frank]

2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Saleh is what he is a defensive head coach who runs a good defense 

I'm not going to be mad at this dude because he's not bill Walsh 

In fact Saleh is better at being a HC than Douglas is at being a gm 

You don't have to be Bill Walsh to be a good HC, but you damn better be able to hire good quality Offensive people, with the absolute most important part of that is being able to identify a quality QB. if you don't do that, IMO, you are a bad HC, no matter how good you are with the defense. I would argue the defense is more of a personnel attribute than scheme, since they generate huge pressure without blitzing, but at the end of the day, if you cannot get a quality offense together in this NFL, you are worthless as a HC

 

[Hex]

3 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Saleh is what he is a defensive head coach who runs a good defense 

I'm not going to be mad at this dude because he's not bill Walsh 

In fact Saleh is better at being a HC than Douglas is at being a gm 

Saleh is an amazing coordinator, but a terrible head coach. Everything that he does that a coordinator doesn't do he is awful at.

[mrcoops]

Personally, I am just about done with Saleh. He just doesn't seem to have "it" as a head coach.

A fine DC, and his players seem to love him, but he has never given me the impression that he is a great head coach - or that he can grow into being a great head coach.

Catchy slogans and motivational speeches can only take you so far - at some point, you have to outcoach the guy on the opposing sideline to win.

I fully expect the Jets to keep him next year, though.

[bitonti]

13 minutes ago, Hex said:

Saleh is an amazing coordinator, but a terrible head coach. Everything that he does that a coordinator doesn't do he is awful at.

This is the league right now you hire a guy who knows one side of the ball for hc and a coordinator for the other side 

Who are these Hcs that manage both at the same time? They don't exist 

Should they have hired an offensive coach? That's a different question. But even the highest paid hc in the league specialize 

And Saleh is among the lowest paid so we get what we paid for 

[bitonti]

25 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

You don't have to be Bill Walsh to be a good HC, but you damn better be able to hire good quality Offensive people, with the absolute most important part of that is being able to identify a quality QB. if you don't do that, IMO, you are a bad HC, no matter how good you are with the defense. I would argue the defense is more of a personnel attribute than scheme, since they generate huge pressure without blitzing, but at the end of the day, if you cannot get a quality offense together in this NFL, you are worthless as a HC

 

The Hackett hire came from above salehs pay grade as did the Aaron Rodgers trade and the Zach pick 

The job of the HC is to cook the meal, Joe Douglas is supplying spoiled groceries 

[SickJetFan]

I have seen enough kick his smiling ass to curb - JD too

not gonna happen tho - but I can dream

[bitonti]

it doesn't really matter what we think by the way

There's no way Saleh gets fired and Joe Douglas gets to pick a new HC with one year left on his GM deal and this Rodgers cap killer retirement hanging over the franchise 

[UntouchableCrew]

Honestly I don’t think the problems with this team are related to Saleh. I think he’s a decent coach. Maybe not some huge value add coach and I certainly have no problem replacing him, but looking at this mess right now I don’t think much of it is his fault.

He brought in his defensive scheme and the defense is really good.

He brought in a great offensive scheme with a bright young play caller which was sabotaged by Zach Wilson and Joe Douglas’ overall mismanagement of the QB position.

Because of the total failure in the evaluation of Zach Wilson and the front offices’ inability to supplement the QB room we went “all in” on Aaron Rodgers. Every personnel and coaching move related to that decision has been a disaster and has set back the offense.

Would it be better to have an offensive head coach who would make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t and have never allowed the offense to get here? Sure. But the major issues with this team are much more related to Woody Johnson and Joe Douglas than Saleh, who is forced to answer questions every week for a mess he didn’t make.

[Flea Flicking Frank]

24 minutes ago, bitonti said:

The Hackett hire came from above salehs pay grade as did the Aaron Rodgers trade and the Zach pick 

The job of the HC is to cook the meal, Joe Douglas is supplying spoiled groceries 

The job of the HC is more than to cook the meal, its to hire the right coaching staff, and to be the CEO of the team. The HC needs to be able to help with personnel in a big way, particualrly when it comes to QB. Either directly, or with direct hires.

Saleh hired MLF, who hand picked Zach Wilson, I'd say thats a pretty big fail no matter how you slice it. JD sucks, but Saleh is every bit as bad as his job. They both have done a good job on the defensive side of the ball, and a God Awful job on the offensive side of the ball

[Hex]

28 minutes ago, bitonti said:

This is the league right now you hire a guy who knows one side of the ball for hc and a coordinator for the other side 

Who are these Hcs that manage both at the same time? They don't exist 

Should they have hired an offensive coach? That's a different question. But even the highest paid hc in the league specialize 

And Saleh is among the lowest paid so we get what we paid for 

I'm not talking about managing the offensive side of the ball. And either way, it's clear Saleh is terrible at hiring coordinators for the offensive side, since they've always sucked. Players have regressed.

Either way, Saleh is terrible at clock management, players are all sloppy, and his press conferences are garbage.

[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

You don't have to be Bill Walsh to be a good HC, but you damn better be able to hire good quality Offensive people, with the absolute most important part of that is being able to identify a quality QB. if you don't do that, IMO, you are a bad HC, no matter how good you are with the defense. I would argue the defense is more of a personnel attribute than scheme, since they generate huge pressure without blitzing, but at the end of the day, if you cannot get a quality offense together in this NFL, you are worthless as a HC

 

Bill Parcells benched Phil Simms for Scott Brunner.  Went with Glenn Foley over Vinny Testaverde.  Twice.  Traded for Rick Mirer and started him until we were out of playoff contention.  I just think he is a fat ******* blowhard, but apparently you think he was a bad coach.