Popular Post Beerfish Posted November 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2023 15th in yards per game 31st in run defense 18th on points allowed 26th in 3rd down defense Tied for 20th in sacks Tied for the league lead in roughing the passer penalties (Wail!) Oh but it is not their fault that our offense is poor!!!!! 'Elite' defenses over come poor offenses, get off the field on 3rd down, stop the run and do not take endless awful penalties. This is not close to an elite defense, a good defense? Only at some things, pass defense is pretty good, red zone D is pretty good. Cleveland has an 'elite' defense and we sure as hell are not in their league. Come at me bros! I shall bathe in all of your thumbs down votes as I bathe in the souls of my enemies! 7 6 1 1 4 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 last in offensive first downs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy and the Jets Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 I would bet we are first in time of possession though 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Larz Posted November 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2023 No one ever said it was all world elite. If you can’t comprehend how the worst offense in NFL history impacts the defense that’s a you problem not a me problem lol 8 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 You are correct! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Beerfish said: 15th in yards per game 31st in run defense 18th on points allowed 26th in 3rd down defense Tied for 20th in sacks Tied for the league lead in roughing the passer penalties (Wail!) Oh but it is not their fault that our offense is poor!!!!! 'Elite' defenses over come poor offenses, get off the field on 3rd down, stop the run and do not take endless awful penalties. This is not close to an elite defense, a good defense? Only at some things, pass defense is pretty good, red zone D is pretty good. Cleveland has an 'elite' defense and we sure as hell are not in their league. Come at me bros! I shall bathe in all of your thumbs down votes as I bathe in the souls of my enemies! Not many arguments from me. I do think a better offense will help but that won’t help all of the stupid defensive penalties they’ve been getting. And I’m not so sure this nine wide scheme is any better than a three four or four three. The only thing saleh does more different is to rotate players more. And the dline is pretty light so the oline players can push right through them at times. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chewy and the Jets said: I would bet we are first in time of possession though Jets are 2nd worst in time of possession stats as fully expected. Which has no effect on our crappy 26th in 3rd down defense, our O cannot stay on the field, our defense cannot get off the field. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Are 3-4 and 4-3 even a thing anymore? I think we pretty much play at least 5 DB every down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted November 30, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, Larz said: No one ever said it was all world elite. If you can’t comprehend how the worst offense in NFL history impacts the defense that’s a you problem not a me problem lol EVERYONE has said they were all world, and elite. the national media still says it, most jets fans are softening now that they see they are anything but elite. DJ Reed said we were the 85 bears or the Ravens. LOL 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 They were top 5 in DVOA before the Dolphins game. Not sure what it is now. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Just now, Beerfish said: EVERYONE has said they were all wold, and elite. the national media still says it, most jets fans are softening now that they see they are anything but elite. DJ Reed said we were the 85 bears or the Ravens. LOL How about give them a lead and a rest every now and then. You should watch with your eyes open 😂 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 Just now, Larz said: How about give them a lead and a rest every now and then. You should watch with your eyes open 😂 As expected all the woes of the D are put on the offense. Thus proving they are mediocre. The O punts, the D can't get off the field by being run on, failing on third down or taking monumentally stupid penalties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Not looking at the stats, I bet that most of the top defenses have offenses that are near the top for time of possession. I'm not sure it's possible for defenses to dominate anymore without having a top 15 offense too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dcJet Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Our defense is great. We're virtually tied for 3rd in yards/play with Dallas and SF. Bal and Cle are 1 and 2. However, our stats are helped by never being in shootouts and never conceding meaningless yards at the end of games with a big lead.. [edit] but then again, we concede meaningless yards when we give up hope in the 4th quarter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: Not looking at the stats, I bet that most of the top defenses have offenses that are near the top for time of possession. I'm not sure it's possible for defenses to dominate anymore without having a top 15 offense too. Cleveland... He already refuted this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 28 minutes ago, Beerfish said: 31st in run defense Is a glaring omission that this D can’t stop a nosebleed. Miami ran it effectively on Friday, watch Atlanta do the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Two things can be true at the same time: 1. Our Defense is clearly over-rated. It's a mid-tier unit with upper tier potential. 2. Playing D for the literally the worst Offense in the NFL doesn't help our Defense look good. To be doubly controversial, I think both QW and Sauce as over-rated too. They're good. They're not elite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbt Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 What defense is elite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 All defense is over-rated. The whole concept to me changed when the NFL decided to ramp up scoring. The defense is trash if it doesn’t generate turnovers. They exist for 1 reason, giving our offense extra possessions. Since we have no offense, who cares really? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold's Forehead Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 I LITERALLY do not care. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PS17 Posted November 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2023 If the offense could put up more than 75 yards a game the defense might succeed. Dumb thread. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jbt Posted November 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2023 this is from earlier in the year: If the Jets scored the league average of 23 points over the last 18 games they would be 15-3. 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Sheldon Rankins is having a great year this year. We could have used a good run stuffer. I think the defense was structured to be complementary with an offense and to protect a lead. So much for that. Losing Chuck Clark was not helpful. Carl Lawson tailed off after getting some of 2023 guaranteed. I think he is done now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Darnold's Forehead said: I LITERALLY do not care. Proverbially, figuratively speaking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 I think our O is last in 3rd down conversions since the NFL started to keep records on that stat. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slimjasi Posted November 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2023 The defense is very good unit and would be among the vey best in football, statistically, with a competent offense. They have kept this team in 8 of 11 games and actually managed to win 4 of them, with a historically inept offense. A Jets fan complaining about this defense is like a Titanic survivor complaining about the food service. 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, slimjasi said: The defense is very good unit and would be among the vey best in football, statistically, with a competent offense. They have kept this team in 8 of 11 games and actually managed to win 4 of them, with a historically inept offense. A Jets fan complaining about this defense is like a Titanic survivor complaining about the food service. No the jets fans giving the defense a free pass for not being as good as they should be becasue we have a lousy offense is the illogical part. What are you supposed to be vs what are you? The Jets O is supposed to stink after the hero QB went down and Douglas had no plan B and they do indeed stink. The Jets D is supposed to be elite, one of the top 5 in the league, our head coach is D centric we have put vast resources into the D. Go back and look at the stats I posted in post one of this thread and excuse them all or refute them all. 26th in the league in 3rd down D sucks. Near last in run defense sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbt Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 46 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said: Is a glaring omission that this D can’t stop a nosebleed. Miami ran it effectively on Friday, watch Atlanta do the same They were good when Al Woods was on the field 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 CJ Mosley's fault. Zach and all the non-Mosley defenders have surely had it with carrying that guy this whole time. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funaz Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 This thread is stupid. Our defense isn’t the best the league and can’t win games by themselves for an entire season.They literally did in the first half but it wasn’t going to last. We have no QB if we did the defense is more than capable of winning a championship Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 53 minutes ago, jbt said: this is from earlier in the year: If the Jets scored the league average of 23 points over the last 18 games they would be 15-3. If the offense scored more, opponents wouldn't be able to play as conservatively. In the few games where the offense has scored even close to the average, the defense often can't hold the lead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slimjasi Posted November 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2023 37 minutes ago, Beerfish said: No the jets fans giving the defense a free pass for not being as good as they should be becasue we have a lousy offense is the illogical part. What are you supposed to be vs what are you? The Jets O is supposed to stink after the hero QB went down and Douglas had no plan B and they do indeed stink. The Jets D is supposed to be elite, one of the top 5 in the league, our head coach is D centric we have put vast resources into the D. Go back and look at the stats I posted in post one of this thread and excuse them all or refute them all. 26th in the league in 3rd down D sucks. Near last in run defense sucks. We've been over this. You're ignoring, or at least greatly minimizing, the impact a historically inept offense has on the rest of the team. For instance, in the Chargers game, the Jets turned the ball over 3 times and were 3-17 on third downs, and yet, the Jets held Herbert to 16 for 30 for 130 yards (one of the 2 or 3 worst performances of his entire career), Eckler to 47 yards on 14 carries, and the Chargers to 3.4 yards per play. However, because of a punt return for a TD and three back-breaking turnovers by the offense, the "defense" gave up 27 points and the team lost by three touchdowns. Someone like you reads the box score and goes "oh gee, the Jets defense gave up 27 points and got blown out on national TV, what an overrated defense!!!!" Even in the first half of the Miami game, a game in which they gave up almost 400 yards (a terrible performance by their standards), the Jets defense scored a TD on a pick 6, got another interception, and held the Dolphins to 10 offensive points. And yet, thanks to the offense, they were down 17-6 at halftime because of a ridiculous pick 6 on a Hail Mary attempt , ZERO third down conversions, and ZERO points on offense. ZERO contributions from the offense. Not a little. ZERO. The Jets did not convert a single 3rd down in that game until a 3rd and Inches early in the 4th quarter. Football is a team game with three phases that all feed off one another. There is a reason coaches talk about "complimentary football" - It's cliche but it's absolutely true and good teams all play complimentary football. If a good team forces a turnover, their offense takes the ball and sticks it in the endzone. When our defense forces a turnover, we are lucky if we get a 50 yard FG attempt out of it. You can't win anything with the offense we have put on the field all year. 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted November 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2023 Offense can’t find the endzone for like 10 weeks straight. Ya know what? The defense is overrated. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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