Popular Post BP Posted January 6 Popular Post Share Posted January 6 7 hours ago, Creepy Lurker said: Not interested. I only want a first time head coach that happens to be a defensive coordinator. That’s the Jet way. Offense is way too trendy. And stupid, you left that out. The coach must be very stupid and have slogans or he’s not a fit on the jets. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 7 hours ago, T0mShane said: Russini echoing this, but more specifically if McCarthy gets beat by the Commaders today, he is toast We beat the Commodes, Dallas got this. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Been researching how soon the Saints will be knocked out of the playoffs while also knocking the Falcons and the Seahawks out just so I can say “**** Beerfish! **** that guy’s takes!” Broderick Jones moving people, making the big blocks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted January 6 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 6 11 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Broderick Jones moving people, making the big blocks. Crazy how everyone looks better when the QB position shows a pulse 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 10 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Bijan Robinson and Kyle Pitts dynasty owners rejoice! @Lurker89 @Paradis @Barry McCockinner @PS17 Fcking rights... you're not allowed to have Pitts/Drake/Robinson and show up as limp as that team did too often. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 8 hours ago, T0mShane said: IIRC, Rodgers main grievance with McCarthy was that McCarthy was too soft on the younger players and there’s be no consequences for pre-snap penalties, drops, etc. Imagine what Rodgers observed this year with the league’s leader in pre-snap penalties and PVO coaches. It was a bit more than that. Take the article for what it's worth, being on B/R, but not all sources were anonymous. A few (e.g. Grant, Harris, Finley, Jennings) were ok with being named as saying Rodgers hated McCarthy (and childishly on AR's part, that it stemmed from McCarthy saying Alex Smith was a better QB when SF took Smith over Rodgers). But there was more than that, in terms of how Rodgers saw McCarthy: "Mike has a low football IQ, and that used to always bother Aaron," this source says. "He'd say Mike has one of the lowest IQs, if not the lowest IQ, of any coach he's ever had." *** The problem for McCarthy was that as the talent drained, he failed to innovate. His scheme went stale and he didn't adapt. As one personnel man puts it, McCarthy "got full off his own juice." He believed his system—not the Packers' absurd amount of talent—was the foundation for the offensive success. But raw rookies cannot bust free one-on-one like, say, Jennings or Nelson or Jones. Tension with Rodgers over the play-calling became part of the DNA of the offense itself. Rodgers felt the system was bland, so he increasingly played Superman. *** The personnel man says the Packers' passing offense was essentially "Get open" and that they basically ran the same routes for seven years straight, to the point where division rivals "constantly" called out plays pre-snap and jumped routes. No wonder the slant route, once so lethal, went extinct. Where were the route combinations? The motion? The misdirection? "It's like, 'Dude, you have to adjust! The league changes!'" the personnel man says. "You've got to be humble enough to follow it. If you can't adapt, you die. He definitely didn't adapt. You can't run 90 back-shoulders into coverage. I don't care who you are. Things got so stale." *** About once a week, a meeting would start up and McCarthy was MIA. Players weren't quite sure where he was while, for example, an assistant coach would run the team's final prep on the Saturday before a game. Eventually, word leaked that McCarthy, the one calling plays on game day, was up in his office getting a massage during those meetings. One player had the same massage therapist, and she let it slip that McCarthy would sneak her up a back stairway to his office while the rest of the team prepared for that week's opponent. "That was when guys were like, 'What the heck?'" says one longtime Packer. "Everybody was like, 'Really? Wow.'" Rodgers in particular was not thrilled. *** The coach often bragged to players about his time with Joe Montana...in Kansas City. "He tried to bill himself as this quarterback master," the player says. "It was like, 'Buddy, I just want to let you know, Joe Montana did a lot more before he was in Kansas City.'" McCarthy felt he was the one who created this monster of an offense. A personnel man adds: "That was McCarthy's big mistake. He wanted to be The Guy. He wanted to be The Reason. And he wasn't that good." *** Sources say McCarthy welcomed Rodgers over to his house and once even recommended he pick up the phone to call his mother. But Rodgers wasn't a fan of McCarthy's storytelling—he preferred to stick to the X's and O's. And on the family advice, Rodgers told McCarthy in so many words to mind his own business. McCarthy demanded more of Rodgers "as a man," one ex-friend says, "and Aaron didn't want to hear it. He doesn't want to ever be told he's wrong." *** One source with close ties to the team estimates Rodgers changed about a third of the plays McCarthy called. "An alarming amount. That is embarrassing. And they don't work!'" Realizing early on that his days in Green Bay were numbered, McCarthy would not rip Rodgers publicly. Not even as fans lambasted him for failing to feed dangerous running back Aaron Jones—while Rodgers simultaneously audibled out of runs. *** Grant blames neither Rodgers nor McCarthy but admits so many seasons with the same coach can turn that coach's voice into "white noise." Change was needed. The marriage was years beyond repair. *** Towards the end, this has to be my favorite line, though: New offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett is a Type A who'll push Rodgers. *** Anyway because it read a bit like a hit piece on both, rather than just on one of the two, it seems more believable. Even if it's just a B/R writer, real players were talking to him and putting their names on their comments. Then again, does he no longer think of Hackett as the guy he wants to go to battle with to wind down his career? They're reportedly very close personally, but who knows. To read the article, with Rodgers that can change in an instant and then you're out of his inner circle of trust or something. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted January 6 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 6 33 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: It was a bit more than that. Take the article for what it's worth, being on B/R, but not all sources were anonymous. A few (e.g. Grant, Harris, Finley, Jennings) were ok with being named as saying Rodgers hated McCarthy (and childishly on AR's part, that it stemmed from McCarthy saying Alex Smith was a better QB when SF took Smith over Rodgers). But there was more than that, in terms of how Rodgers saw McCarthy: "Mike has a low football IQ, and that used to always bother Aaron," this source says. "He'd say Mike has one of the lowest IQs, if not the lowest IQ, of any coach he's ever had." *** The problem for McCarthy was that as the talent drained, he failed to innovate. His scheme went stale and he didn't adapt. As one personnel man puts it, McCarthy "got full off his own juice." He believed his system—not the Packers' absurd amount of talent—was the foundation for the offensive success. But raw rookies cannot bust free one-on-one like, say, Jennings or Nelson or Jones. Tension with Rodgers over the play-calling became part of the DNA of the offense itself. Rodgers felt the system was bland, so he increasingly played Superman. *** The personnel man says the Packers' passing offense was essentially "Get open" and that they basically ran the same routes for seven years straight, to the point where division rivals "constantly" called out plays pre-snap and jumped routes. No wonder the slant route, once so lethal, went extinct. Where were the route combinations? The motion? The misdirection? "It's like, 'Dude, you have to adjust! The league changes!'" the personnel man says. "You've got to be humble enough to follow it. If you can't adapt, you die. He definitely didn't adapt. You can't run 90 back-shoulders into coverage. I don't care who you are. Things got so stale." *** About once a week, a meeting would start up and McCarthy was MIA. Players weren't quite sure where he was while, for example, an assistant coach would run the team's final prep on the Saturday before a game. Eventually, word leaked that McCarthy, the one calling plays on game day, was up in his office getting a massage during those meetings. One player had the same massage therapist, and she let it slip that McCarthy would sneak her up a back stairway to his office while the rest of the team prepared for that week's opponent. "That was when guys were like, 'What the heck?'" says one longtime Packer. "Everybody was like, 'Really? Wow.'" Rodgers in particular was not thrilled. *** The coach often bragged to players about his time with Joe Montana...in Kansas City. "He tried to bill himself as this quarterback master," the player says. "It was like, 'Buddy, I just want to let you know, Joe Montana did a lot more before he was in Kansas City.'" McCarthy felt he was the one who created this monster of an offense. A personnel man adds: "That was McCarthy's big mistake. He wanted to be The Guy. He wanted to be The Reason. And he wasn't that good." *** Sources say McCarthy welcomed Rodgers over to his house and once even recommended he pick up the phone to call his mother. But Rodgers wasn't a fan of McCarthy's storytelling—he preferred to stick to the X's and O's. And on the family advice, Rodgers told McCarthy in so many words to mind his own business. McCarthy demanded more of Rodgers "as a man," one ex-friend says, "and Aaron didn't want to hear it. He doesn't want to ever be told he's wrong." *** One source with close ties to the team estimates Rodgers changed about a third of the plays McCarthy called. "An alarming amount. That is embarrassing. And they don't work!'" Realizing early on that his days in Green Bay were numbered, McCarthy would not rip Rodgers publicly. Not even as fans lambasted him for failing to feed dangerous running back Aaron Jones—while Rodgers simultaneously audibled out of runs. *** Grant blames neither Rodgers nor McCarthy but admits so many seasons with the same coach can turn that coach's voice into "white noise." Change was needed. The marriage was years beyond repair. *** Towards the end, this has to be my favorite line, though: New offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett is a Type A who'll push Rodgers. *** Anyway because it read a bit like a hit piece on both, rather than just on one of the two, it seems more believable. Even if it's just a B/R writer, real players were talking to him and putting their names on their comments. Then again, does he no longer think of Hackett as the guy he wants to go to battle with to wind down his career? They're reportedly very close personally, but who knows. To read the article, with Rodgers that can change in an instant and then you're out of his inner circle of trust or something. Two takeaways: 1. McCarthy is a mess and 2. what a whiny snake Rodgers is holy sh*t 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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doitny Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, T0mShane said: He’s not getting another HC job. your kidding right. the guy is 166-102 and has won 11- games each of the last 3 years. he can go anywhere he wants. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 13 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I hate that the Jets always mis time their HC firings. Ben Johnson, Harbaugh and Monken could possibly be had this cycle. Next year we’ll be looking and prob have to settle for some old DC. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Harbaugh would make a world of sense. Suspect having been a successful NFL QB himself, Rodgers would probably have a lot of common ground. Objectively it could work. And an owner that truly cared about success would explore it at around midnight Monday night. But; he's gonna command top dollar and did not like the Niners' York family soap opera ownership. Woody Johnson is cheap(sign ANOTHER QB when Rodgers got hurt? PSHAW!) and likes to be the bride at every wedding and corpse at every funeral. And that's why despite a need for a real credible coach forever, nobody with better options is coming here. There's no cap for coaches, yet somehow, the Jets' HC is always in the bottom rung when it comes to salary. It's always a 1st timer (disregard Bowles and Gase who were technically retreads but nobody else on planet earth's idea of coaching brilliance spare Charlie Caserly and his toupee). And really Johnson would rather farm out the decision to a executive search firm or the toupee than just pick and overpay a competent real NFL coach. Because then nobody gives a F___ about Les Nessman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 3 minutes ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said: I hate that the Jets always mis time their HC firings. Ben Johnson, Harbaugh and Monken could possibly be had this cycle. Next year we’ll be looking and prob have to settle for some old DC. Monken's a guy that should have been on their radar forever. As an aside, might be able to entice his smart cousin away from Army if you broke out the check book also. Alas that kind of thinking is beyond Robert Wood Johnson Roman F__in' Numerals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetswinbaby! Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 6 hours ago, rangerous said: I have to say it’s probably woody who’s keeping the big time coaches away. I don’t think he wants to be on the hook for the salaries these guys will command. Plus, in case people have been keeping track, he’s been pretty quick about hiring coaches that fit the Rooney rule. Maybe if Tomlin springs free and still wants to coach he can push out saleh. Tomlin is not going anywhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Two takeaways: 1. McCarthy is a mess and 2. what a whiny snake Rodgers is holy sh*t 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 hours ago, BP said: And stupid, you left that out. The coach must be very stupid and have slogans or he’s not a fit on the jets. And claps a lot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Its getting blown up after next years disappointment after they work out some dumb “prove it with an option year “ deal with JD and Saleh and then they will hire a GM that isn’t that hot a candidate but probably won’t ever get a shot to be GM anywhere else so he’ll take the job and they will hire a coordinator that has never been a HC before and draft a rookie QB and throw him out there week 1. You can see it coming a mile away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 hours ago, T0mShane said: Two takeaways: 1. McCarthy is a mess and 2. what a whiny snake Rodgers is holy sh*t When it’s good with Rodgers it’s really good, but when it’s bad - ooof good thing he’s on the JETS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballLove Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 If this happens, who's more nervous? Hackett or Saleh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 30 minutes ago, FootballLove said: If this happens, who's more nervous? Hackett or Saleh? Neither. McCarthy isn’t coming here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 22 hours ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: We're very lucky to be the offseason champs every year! High draft picks, free agency, constant turnover in the front office... year round drama. Actually winning games makes for boring winter, spring, and summers. VS. Winter Free Agency Draft Day (DL #1) 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 50 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: VS. Winter Free Agency Draft Day (DL #1) This is one of the best posts ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 9 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said: This is one of the best posts ever. You flatter me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 13 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: And claps a lot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfmartin Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 But seriously, if he becomes available, do you see AR making a push for him? Rodgers and him didn’t end on good termsSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 On 1/6/2024 at 7:50 AM, T0mShane said: Pretty spicy from Schefter, confirming something that’s been bouncing around the NFL insider space for a few weeks—Jerry Jones is very open to replacing Mike McCarthy with Dan Quinn this offseason, and if McCarthy blows yet another game in the next week or two, he’s out. McCarthy has a history of embarrassing losses featuring late game blundering, and people around the Cowboys think Quinn is the driver behind this year’s success anyway. Jets-relevant because McCarthy and Rodgers have a relationship, and he’d be a guy who could be brought in to either replace Hackett or fill the passing game coordinator role. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39250627/bill-belichick-future-headlines-uncertain-coaching-situations • DALLAS COWBOYS: There continues to be a feeling from people around the league, and even some within the Cowboys organization, that coach Mike McCarthy will be measured by how Dallas' final game goes. If the Cowboys play well in the postseason, McCarthy would have an excellent chance to keep his job. But if they struggle and end the season with an embarrassing loss, as has happened in each of the past two years, then some believe that change could come to Dallas. The situation remains unsettled either way, and both the Cowboys and McCarthy -- fairly or unfairly -- have plenty to prove Sunday against Washington and then in the postseason. The other factor is what the Cowboys will do with defensive coordinator Dan Quinn, who has interviewed for and been offered head-coaching jobs in each of the past two offseasons. Quinn has stayed with Dallas out of loyalty, because he felt strongly about the organization. But there is a question about how long that will last and whether Dallas could coax him back for yet another season, which could factor into any decisions this team makes. The Cowboys do not want to lose Quinn, according to sources, and there are questions about what Dallas would be willing to do to keep him. I'm fine with McCarthy coming in to fill a QB coach role or even OC but no way in hell does he need to be a HC making critical calls at the end of big games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funaz Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Neither. McCarthy isn’t coming here.No one smart would want him toSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut Jet Penalty Makers Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Looking forward to Black Monday...you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Who are you guys kidding with this? If Saleh is fired, Woody's going to hire another flash in the pan defensive coordinator. Like he always does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 10 hours ago, FootballLove said: If this happens, who's more nervous? Hackett or Saleh? Neither.. there's zero percent chance he comes here with Rodgers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 28 minutes ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said: Looking forward to Black Monday...you never know. I thought that there was a 0 % chance Mangini would get fired in 2008, and he was Woody’s hire. Saleh was not Woody’s hire but he’s already come out and stated he + Douglas are coming back + Rodgers’ public endorsement. So, I can’t really expect anything happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballLove Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 4 hours ago, jeremy2020 said: If this happens, who's more nervous? Hackett or Saleh? Neither.. there's zero percent chance he comes here with Rodgers. Then why even have this thread? PLAY ALONG DAMIT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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