***Official JN Jay Cutler Talk - All Jay, All Day*** [Merged 49X]

[lancemehl]

Yes, NFL QBs are hard to come by and I think Culter (who I wanted us to draft to being with) would be a huge upgrade. Of course it depends on what we have to give up. If it's a 1st and one of our QBs, hell yes, if it's more then no.

I'd rather give up a 2nd this year and a 2nd next. Call me crazy, but I just feel like there's a stud WR waiting for us at 17. add that to a franchise QB, great O-line, Rex's d and we have something special here.

I love Brett Ratliff(yes, based on preseason), i would love Clemens to shine, but Jay Cutler threw for 4,500 yards last year, he had 25 td and 18 int's when you consider his defense was pathetic and he's young that's fine.

I doubt they do it, but wow, that would be something to be excited about.

[docdhc]

You are NUTS!!!!!!!!

That's a good argument. He had one good year stat wise, but still didn't play well down the stretch when they needed him to. Elway took teams that sucked to the Super Bowl at this stage in his career. He also won in college. Cutler is Jeff George reincarnated.

[lancemehl]

Clemens and twos and threes isn't offering more than anyone else. It's not even an especially good joke. If you don't want Cutler for what he costs you don't want Cutler.

at this point Denver takes what they can get or they have millions on the sofa next year. If we have to give up 17 f$#k it, but i think a 2nd this year and a first(which will be like a second after we go deep into postseason) next year, plus Clemens and any other stiff would get it done.

[lancemehl]

That's a good argument. He had one good year stat wise, but still didn't play well down the stretch when they needed him to. Elway took teams that sucked to the Super Bowl at this stage in his career. He also won in college. Cutler is Jeff George reincarnated.

down the stretch the defense gave up 112 points in 3 games, we covered this, read a few threads up.

Cutler is better than any QB we've had on this team since Joe signed the contract with Lucifer.

[docdhc]

down the stretch the defense gave up 112 points in 3 games, we covered this, read a few threads up.

Cutler is better than any QB we've had on this team since Joe signed the contract with Lucifer.

He threw 2Tds and 4 Ints while losing the last 3 games. you can't give him a pass. He had great receivers too. You have to admit he is a risk with his attitude and lack of maturity. You would gut the teams high picks the next 2 years to get him, not to mention the big contract he would want as part of the trade. We don't have great receivers for him to throw to. We drafted a QB in the 2nd round who has never been given a real chance, and we have another prospect worth looking at in Ratliff. We also have the makings of a great defense this year. We don't have to take what seems to me a huge risk by going after Cutler, with the potential for long term damage to the franchise. I know I am in the minority, but I just don't see him as the sure thing everyone else does.

[Pragmatic Bus]

Because of 124's post.... I vote NO. He doesn't fit our offensive plans of running the ball and playing great D. His turnovers will KILL the D no matter how good it is.

POTWNOM +1

[124]

don't forget the 52.Way to show up in the last week Defense.

Exactly.

Jay Cutler sucks because the Denver defense decided to **** the bed the last three weeks of the season.

Awesome.

And you will have the anti-Cutler Army here saying "excuses, excuses" but if your defenses best effort is allowing 30 points, 30 points and then 52 points... well... not many teams are going to win those games. Yes, they only had to win one of those games, people are right, but they had nothing going on at Running Back at that point not to mention a suspect Offensive Line and we've already mentioned the Defense.

Cutler has had talent in Marshall and Royal (for one year) at Receiver, but everything else around him has been crap.

[124]

Or call him the n-word... but jokingly, of course.

Kerry Racial Slurs Collins strikes again.

[New York Mick]

I'd rather give up a 2nd this year and a 2nd next. Call me crazy, but I just feel like there's a stud WR waiting for us at 17. add that to a franchise QB, great O-line, Rex's d and we have something special here.

I love Brett Ratliff(yes, based on preseason), i would love Clemens to shine, but Jay Cutler threw for 4,500 yards last year, he had 25 td and 18 int's when you consider his defense was pathetic and he's young that's fine.

I doubt they do it, but wow, that would be something to be excited about.

There is no chance in hell they give him up for two 2nd round picks. If Mr T can pull that off I'll blow him.

[The Troll]

Well, 12 people are certifiably insane.

[wildthing2022000]

I wouldn't mind having Cutler for a couple second rounders.

[SenorGato]

I really don't see how anyone who is a fan of a team that needs a QB could not want Cutler.

Well, I can. I just think it's pretty dumb if the reason in anyway comes down to "he's not a good QB." Thats just dumb.

[Sharrow]

We don't need a QB!

3rd and long? F*** it! Draw play!

Trailing late? F*** it! Run-run-pass-punt still sounds good!

Yeah! We don't need a QB, especially after we get the stud HOF WR we're going to draft at 17th! after all the dumb teams pass on him! You know, the one with the supernatural PHASING POWERS that let him pass through defenders like air and the SWEET TRACTOR BEAM APPARATIS that he wears on his suit that lets him attract even the ****tiest passes right into his hands. Awesome! Yeah! **** Cutler!

[GangGreen]

Anyone who votes "No" should be shot in the face.

Take your best shot bud - what exactly has Cutler won?? It would be a waste of picks. We don't need a prima donna. Thank God you guys aren't the management.

So you'd rather have an unproven QB who hasn't officially thrown an NFL pass yet?

[Irish Jet]

Yes.

I really don't see how you can't take a franchise QB when he's there.

[Sperm Edwards]

my point is I don't think we should give away all those picks to sign a guy we could have had a few years back for a single pick...and I am not a fan of signing dis-gruntled players from other teams for any amount of picks...its my opinion, if you don't agree fine, if you don't like it, tough

It would only be a single pick depending on your point of view. All picks are not the same. That was the #4 pick. This year we have the #17 pick. Big difference. That silly outdated chart that all the GM's adhere to like gospel says:

#17 this year = 950 "points"

2nd rounder next year = value of 3rd rounder this year = 210

3rd rounder next year = value of 4th rounder this year = 72

total = 1232, or roughly the 11th pick in the draft.

Cutler was drafted 11th. (And incidentally, Denver traded multiple picks to move up to #11 to draft Cutler in '06).

Summary: the #4 overall pick has more trade value than #17 this year plus a 2nd & a 3rd a year later.

Also, Cutler the rookie out of friggin' Vanderbilt is not as valuable as Cutler the 4th-year NFL player. Yet we'd be getting him for less draft pick value as a veteran than as a rookie.

Cutler the rookie came from a program not exactly known for creating star NFL QB's. IF a team drafts him there is no guarantee he won't be an outright bust. As it stands, he's the only one of the 7 QB's taken in rounds 1-3 (and the only QB of the 3 taken in the first 11 overall picks) in that "QB-rich" draft that doesn't blow. Even if we drafted him & he wasn't a bust, Cutler the rookie doesn't instantly start (at a high level no less) from day one.

Cutler the 4th-year player just threw for over 4500 yards & 25 TD's in the NFL this past season. He doesn't need to get used to the speed of the NFL game. He doesn't need to be groomed. He doesn't need to prove he's the best QB in camp competition. And he doesn't need to prove that he isn't just a bust of a draft pick.

Guy's a top QB. I want one.

[ECURB]

PLease get this done Tanny...

Then Draft Nicks with the 2nd rounder...

Cutler/Cotch/Nicks/Keller/TJ/Leon

Sounds good to me...

[lancemehl]

After playing with the worst defense in the league and throwing for over 300 yards every game only to be outscored , I would think he'd be dying to come to the jets and the infamous "Top 5" Rex D(which has been called smothering and violent.)

[BwanaZulia]

He is proven, but is he really that GOOD? At best, he looks above average.

Also don't like a head case in the locker room who is known for his LACK of leadership.

BZ

[ECURB]

He is proven, but is he really that GOOD? At best, he looks above average.

Also don't like a head case in the locker room who is known for his LACK of leadership.

BZ

4,500 yards an 25 TDs in your 2nd full year starting is not just "above average"... find me anyone not named Peyton who did better than that...

[lancemehl]

I think this will result in a trade to the browns, or cutler gets an extension with a big raise to stay in denver.

I really can't see the broncos trying to sell Brett "my arm is shot, I won't get surgery to fix it or come to mini-camps to learn a new offense, you see I like hunting" favre to their fans

but lets play fantasy and say tanny gets it done for favre and 3 picks

cutler just aint worth the 3 picks

he has 42 turnovers in 37 starts

he has a losing record as a starter

he has as many playoff wins as ainge

his TD/INT ratio has been getting worse as he goes

coming down the stretch, he couldn't muster up a win 3 straight weeks, when one win would have gotten them in

not one win in three tries

is that a savior you give up 3 picks for ?

NO

and a thin skinned primma donna in NY ?

a thin skinned guy in NY ?

if this happens, I give it 4 weeks before jets fans start asking, "was the trade worth it ?"

Larz, you know i respect your opinion which is always opposite mine, but let's take into consideration that the broncos defense was absolutely HORRIBLE that + being young will ALWAYS result in turnovers.and obviously no playoff wins.

It WON'T take 4 picks, but he's definitely worth 2 maybe 3

He threw for over 60% comp. 25 TDs 18 INT's and 4,500 yards, on the worst defense in the league(pretty much)

I think that's sensational.

I also think that giving up the entire draft is worth one solid franchise QB for the next 8-10 years, and that,with our defense, is EXACTLY what he would be.

Cutler is SO much better than people make him out to be. Compare Eli and Peyton's first 3 years to Cutler's and you'll see very similar traits, especially since peyton was in the same position, no defense, except HE had a rb.

Cutler has neither.Only one game all year did a Denver RB rush for over 100, he is in the absolute worst position over there and STILL is putting up ,dare isay, Favre numbers.

[BwanaZulia]

4,500 yards an 25 TDs in your 2nd full year starting is not just "above average"... find me anyone not named Peyton who did better than that...

- He has not lead his team to the playoffs (7-9, 8-8)

- His QB ratings is just above average (86+)

- He is inconsistent at best, moody at worst.

Sure he can throw the deep ball and rack up yards, but so can Drew Brees and others, doesn't mean their teams win or get into the playoffs or win Super Bowls.

I am not saying he is a BAD QB, he is good, just not a proven playoff contender. He sits in the middle of the pack year in and year out.

BZ

[Jetfan13]

It would only be a single pick depending on your point of view. All picks are not the same. That was the #4 pick. This year we have the #17 pick. Big difference. That silly outdated chart that all the GM's adhere to like gospel says:

#17 this year = 950 "points"

2nd rounder next year = value of 3rd rounder this year = 210

3rd rounder next year = value of 4th rounder this year = 72

total = 1232, or roughly the 11th pick in the draft.

Cutler was drafted 11th. (And incidentally, Denver traded multiple picks to move up to #11 to draft Cutler in '06).

Summary: the #4 overall pick has more trade value than #17 this year plus a 2nd & a 3rd a year later.

Also, Cutler the rookie out of friggin' Vanderbilt is not as valuable as Cutler the 4th-year NFL player. Yet we'd be getting him for less draft pick value as a veteran than as a rookie.

Cutler the rookie came from a program not exactly known for creating star NFL QB's. IF a team drafts him there is no guarantee he won't be an outright bust. As it stands, he's the only one of the 7 QB's taken in rounds 1-3 (and the only QB of the 3 taken in the first 11 overall picks) in that "QB-rich" draft that doesn't blow. Even if we drafted him & he wasn't a bust, Cutler the rookie doesn't instantly start (at a high level no less) from day one.

Cutler the 4th-year player just threw for over 4500 yards & 25 TD's in the NFL this past season. He doesn't need to get used to the speed of the NFL game. He doesn't need to be groomed. He doesn't need to prove he's the best QB in camp competition. And he doesn't need to prove that he isn't just a bust of a draft pick.

Guy's a top QB. I want one.

will you quit with the logic, its hurting my head....

[Favorite_Toon]

Bronco's send Cutler to Jets for Jets 1st round pick

Cardinals send Matt Leinart to the Broncos.

Cards receive explosive young tailback and kickoff return specialist Leon Washington and the Bronco's 2nd round pick.

Someone that said they have insode info said the jets are tearing up the phone lines to get a deal done... the one above is there latest attempt

[lancemehl]

- He has not lead his team to the playoffs (7-9, 8-8)

- His QB ratings is just above average (86+)

- He is inconsistent at best, moody at worst.

Sure he can throw the deep ball and rack up yards, but so can Drew Brees and others, doesn't mean their teams win or get into the playoffs or win Super Bowls.

I am not saying he is a BAD QB, he is good, just not a proven playoff contender. He sits in the middle of the pack year in and year out.

BZ

But BZ, it NOT HIM!!! Look at that defense and running game! one game with a 100 yard rusher? Not a QB in the league can get to the playoffs. The last three games,when they were 8-5 on the strength of Cutler's arm alone the defense gave up a combined 112 points, that's disgracful and hardly Cutler's fault. and, oh, needless to say they abandoned the running game. So if they were to make the playoff it would have been 21 guys on JC's back.

who, by the way threw up over 300 consistently ALL year.Cutler's a great QB on a crappy team. We need him to complete the circle.

[afosomf]

Bronco's send Cutler to Jets for Jets 1st round pick

Cardinals send Matt Leinart to the Broncos.

Cards receive explosive young tailback and kickoff return specialist Leon Washington and the Bronco's 2nd round pick.

Someone that said they have insode info said the jets are tearing up the phone lines to get a deal done... the one above is there latest attempt

interesting trade

[Jetfan13]

Let's look at Jay Cutler

Dave Hyde | Sports Columnist March 17, 2009 Josh McDaniels blew it. Jay Cutler wants out of Denver.

Now the Dolphins have to answer this right: How much do we trust Chad Henne? And: Would a package of our quarterback of today ( Chad Pennington), tomorrow (Henne) and the 25th pick overall be worth landing Denver's arm of today and tomorrow?

This is a weigh station they must stop at and study. Bill Parcells' regime has been consistent and looked consistently smart for not overpaying players and valuing draft picks. But a young and rising quarterback like Cutler would be the exception to this philosophy.

It's stunning, almost stupefying, that a new coach like McDaniels would alienate the one player who made the Denver job appealing. Cutler turns 26 in April. He's done his NFL graduate work after starting most of three years. He's a cut below the star he considers himself to be, but did make the Pro Bowl last year.

Cutler, in short, is the kind of player who rarely comes on the open market. But his bond with McDaniels became strained, then broken, after Denver discussed trading him to Tampa Bay in a three-way deal, with Tampa Bay sending a No. 1 pick to New England and New England's Matt Cassel moving to Denver.

To repeat: In the isosceles triangle of that trade offer, the price tag of two potential franchise quarterbacks equaled a first-round pick (Tampa Bay's 19th overall.) Instead, New England said a lesser deal with Kansas City already was agreed upon. It received only a second-round pick for Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel.

So the market price for quarterbacks seems to have dropped like the Dow. Given the cost, given the position's importance, given Cutler's experience and given the Dolphins' continued rebuilding mode, the Triplets (I'm test-driving a nickname for Parcells, Jeff Ireland and Tony Sparano) would be remiss not to ask:

Are we so sure about Henne? Or is there still a gap of doubt wide enough to run a marching band through?

Pennington is out of this equation. He was great last year. There's no reason to think he won't play similarly this year. But there are two words for anyone thinking any decision about Cutler will be based on an appreciation of Pennington's 2008 or loyalty to his 2009: Grow up.

Pennington is signed one more year. He's 33 in June. He has broken down at various times. His arm lacks the gear of most great quarterbacks, though he's a perfect bridge to Henne with the Dolphins

[Jetfan13]

But BZ, it NOT HIM!!! Look at that defense and running game! one game with a 100 yard rusher? Not a QB in the league can get to the playoffs. The last three games,when they were 8-5 on the strength of Cutler's arm alone the defense gave up a combined 112 points, that's disgracful and hardly Cutler's fault. and, oh, needless to say they abandoned the running game. So if they were to make the playoff it would have been 21 guys on JC's back.

who, by the way threw up over 300 consistently ALL year.Cutler's a great QB on a crappy team. We need him to complete the circle.

that 100yr rusher was a nobaody against us, and what was Cutlers #'s in that game? Didn't he have over 400 yds and a bunch of td's in the ice???

[Jetfan13]

not for 3 picks, for one,sure..2, maybe

[DoubleDown]

Bronco's send Cutler to Jets for Jets 1st round pick

Cardinals send Matt Leinart to the Broncos.

Cards receive explosive young tailback and kickoff return specialist Leon Washington and the Bronco's 2nd round pick.

Someone that said they have insode info said the jets are tearing up the phone lines to get a deal done... the one above is there latest attempt

Not buying it.

Cards get All-Pro Leon Washington and a 2nd round pick for Matt Leinart?

[lancemehl]

Exactly.

Jay Cutler sucks because the Denver defense decided to **** the bed the last three weeks of the season.

Awesome.

And you will have the anti-Cutler Army here saying "excuses, excuses" but if your defenses best effort is allowing 30 points, 30 points and then 52 points... well... not many teams are going to win those games. Yes, they only had to win one of those games, people are right, but they had nothing going on at Running Back at that point not to mention a suspect Offensive Line and we've already mentioned the Defense.

Cutler has had talent in Marshall and Royal (for one year) at Receiver, but everything else around him has been crap.

plus only one 100 yard game from their rb's. why are these people making every excuse in the world to NOT get a franchise QB.

If we get ONE player that has Cutler's value this draft we'll be lucky!

[lancemehl]

Not buying it.

Cards get All-Pro Leon Washington and a 2nd round pick for Matt Leinart?

whoa! wait noone said anything about washington. lol

[Favorite_Toon]

I do that trade for a franchise qb

[DoubleDown]

The answer is YES, no question about it.

[DoubleDown]

I do that trade for a franchise qb

I would lean toward making that trade as well.

The only problem is that Leon is by far the most talented offensive player on our team. RB's can easily be replaced, but he is a special talent with a bright future.

I would rather give up additional draft picks, but if it comes down to it, I would pull the trigger.

I still don't buy the trade though. The Cards are getting way too much compensation for their backup QB.