Jump to content
Want to remove all ads? ×

Browns Browns acquired LB Jamie Collins from the Patriots for a compensatory third-round pick. Related: Patriots Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Oct 31 - 12:32 PM

Gas2No99

By Gas2No99
in NY Jets Forum

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 113
  • Created
  • Last Reply
Gas2No99

Gas2No99

Posted
  • Author
Posted
Jamie Collins - LB -  Browns

Browns acquired LB Jamie Collins from the Patriots for a compensatory third-round pick.

The Pats seemed to solve their contract logjam by sending Chandler Jones to the Cardinals over the offseason, but they have now offloaded perhaps their best defensive player for a late third-round pick, a compensatory pick they likely would have gotten anyway if they just let Collins leave via free agency in the spring. It is a stunning move which certainly carries much more backstory than we know about right now. Collins should play inside linebacker for the Browns and is a massive upgrade over Demario Davis and Chris Kirksey. As long as the Browns are able to get him under contract, this should end up being a great trade for Cleveland. At the very least, Cleveland should tag Collins to keep him around one more year. New England now has to lock up Dont'a Hightower to a long-term deal.
Related: Patriots
 
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter 
Oct 31 - 12:32 PM
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Beerfish

Beerfish

Posted
Posted

Having a hall of fame Qb can let you do just about anything you want and it will look like genius.  Any other teams giving up the quality of players the pats have let go on the cheap the last few years would be killed.  If you have a hof Qb you can be as ballsy as you want.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
greenwichjetfan

greenwichjetfan

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

Having a hall of fame Qb can let you do just about anything you want and it will look like genius.  Any other teams giving up the quality of players the pats have let go on the cheap the last few years would be killed.  If you have a hof Qb you can be as ballsy as you want.

+cheating

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Integrity28

Integrity28

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, rillo said:

Damn, Bill isn't ******* around. Their defense isn't stopping anyone. 

Their offense is good for 35+ per game. I can appreciate not letting any one player hold that team financially hostage. Sets the tone for their football culture. ******* cheaters. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
JustInFudge

JustInFudge

Posted
Posted
6 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Having a hall of fame Qb can let you do just about anything you want and it will look like genius.  Any other teams giving up the quality of players the pats have let go on the cheap the last few years would be killed.  If you have a hof Qb you can be as ballsy as you want.

I was about to say.  HOF QB, HOF TE and an offense that scores 35 on anyone.  

Does it really matter who you have on D?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
JetBlue

JetBlue

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, section314 said:

Dan Fouts and Kellen Winslow say hi.:D

The rules were a lot different then.  Can you imagine the numbers those two would have put up playing in todays pass happy NFL? Plus let's remember to include John Jefferson, Chet Forte out of the backfield, plus another receiver who' name escapes me.   They might have been the first team to average 40 points plus, a game. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
nycdan

nycdan

Posted
Posted
12 minutes ago, ljr said:

He's in the 4th year of his rookie deal as a 2nd round pick ... What wiggle room does the player have around the Franchise Tag if he doesn't want to play in Cleveland next year?

http://overthecap.com/player/jamie-collins/2280/

 

despite him being a good player I would think a winless team should value their picks  over at most 1 & 1/2 seasons of the player

A winless team also needs to become a not-winless team if they want to keep their jobs.  CLE may not win more than 2 games this season, but if Collins helps them get there, that might be the difference between being a GM for the Browns, and a scout for a college team next year.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
section314

section314

Posted
Posted
6 minutes ago, JetBlue said:

The rules were a lot different then.  Can you imagine the numbers those two would have put up playing in todays pass happy NFL? Plus let's remember to include John Jefferson, Chet Forte out of the backfield, plus another receiver who' name escapes me.   They might have been the first team to average 40 points plus, a game. 

Yeah, Air Coryell would be almost impossible to stop today. They could hang 30-40 on good defenses when the 'D" could actually play.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Beerfish

Beerfish

Posted
Posted
13 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

LOL!!! Can you imagine their fans reaction when we run the ball down their throat on Thanksgiving weekend? Fitz will sit there all day and bury them from the pocket.

What are they thinking?

They will be thinking, gee why are the jets running when we have a 35-0 lead?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Beerfish

Beerfish

Posted
Posted
Just now, UnitedWhofans said:

Patriots will regret these moves when they get to the Super Bowl.

The Pats Super Bowls were set up because they had a good-great defense.  Now they are taking key pieces off of their defense. New England has not had a good pass rush all year

I agree with this to an extent, one reason the pats went 10 years without a super bowl win?  The Hubris of Belichick in some of his moves.  Getting rod of players a year early rather than a year late can bite you in the ass when you are ready to win now for 15 years in a row.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Hael

Hael

Posted
Posted

Collins is not having a down year.  He's been dominant in most of the games i've watched this year.  The bottomline is that he expects to be payed a colossal fortune next year which the Pats can't follow, and the Patriots basically trade the use of Collins for 8 games + the playoffs for a 3rd round pick.   Chandler Jones for the same reason, except that its 16 games, hence a 2nd instead of a 3rd.

It definitely hurts them in the short term, but preserves value for the long term.  The Patriot way.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
UnitedWhofans

UnitedWhofans

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, jetscrazey said:

Not sure this matters.  There isn't a defense in the AFC that can stop New England, with the possible exception of Denver, especially if the game is at Foxboro.

AFC is mediocre this year, they will have no problem. But in the Super Bowl, which is their goal, it may be another story

Link to comment
Share on other sites
rillo

rillo

Posted
Posted
37 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

LOL!!! Can you imagine their fans reaction when we run the ball down their throat on Thanksgiving weekend? Fitz will sit there all day and bury them from the pocket.

What are they thinking?

??

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Hael

Hael

Posted
Posted

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense from the Patriots perspective.  Keep in mind a pick in the 3rd round is essentially equivalent to a pick in the 2nd round the following year, so a comp pick in 2017 is worth significantly more than a comp pick in 2018.

The Patriots have an embarrassment of riches in their D, with a lot of young stars coming into contract years.  Their 'big' problem was the FA class of 2017, where they were almost assuredly going to have to make tough choices.   This directly led to the Chandler Jones/Jamie Collins situation, and it shows that BB and company prefer cheap under the radar good but not great contributors as opposed to high priced star power.  The old story about how its better to have 3 mediocre players, than 1 star and two bad players.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
UnitedWhofans

UnitedWhofans

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, Hael said:

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense from the Patriots perspective.  Keep in mind a pick in the 3rd round is essentially equivalent to a pick in the 2nd round the following year, so a comp pick in 2017 is worth significantly more than a comp pick in 2018.

The Patriots have an embarrassment of riches in their D, with a lot of young stars coming into contract years.  Their 'big' problem was the FA class of 2017, where they were almost assuredly going to have to make tough choices.   This directly led to the Chandler Jones/Jamie Collins situation, and it shows that BB and company prefer cheap under the radar good but not great contributors as opposed to high priced star power.  The old story about how its better to have 3 mediocre players, than 1 star and two bad players.

But that doesn't win Super Bowls. the Patriots are the Yankees of Football. Its championship or bust.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Hael

Hael

Posted
Posted

It is true that it hurts them, but then we've been saying that for years.  Why get rid of Moss, why get rid of Mankins?   Short term is important for those types of championship teams, but longterm thinking is important as well, and no team in sports has been more present year after year after year.  This is why.  They don't allow themselves to lose longterm value...

Link to comment
Share on other sites
CanadaSteve

CanadaSteve

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

Having a hall of fame Qb can let you do just about anything you want and it will look like genius.  Any other teams giving up the quality of players the pats have let go on the cheap the last few years would be killed.  If you have a hof Qb you can be as ballsy as you want.

A HOF QB that is paid HALF of what he should be.....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

Content Partnership

Yes Network

Site Sponsor

MILE-Social - NJ Social Media & SEO company

Site Sponsor

MetLife Stadium Tailgate

NY Jets Podcast

NY Jets Podcast

DMCA Page

  • -- DMCA Page
    • ×
    ×
    • Create New...