Hackenberg is in the HOUSE!!!

[thadude]

1 hour ago, Anthony Jet said:

Considering how bad the NFL qb product has been minus a select few and considering how much the rules now favor the offense maybe they should go back to "developing" instead of throwing right in the fire 

"Bad Qb product"?!?

 

3,000 yards passing used to be considered excellent back in the day now it's just average.  Do homework before making generalizations and apologies for Crapenberg

[thadude]

7 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

 

Apparently you trust Macc more than the assistant coach that said "he couldn't hit the ocean."

Or the player that rolled his eyes when asked if Hack was worth a 2nd, and said "he'll never make it."

Those guys see him in practice every day.  They have no reason to bash him that bad.  They could have said "he has a long way to go" instead.   Unless it's true that he is terrible.

But whatevs man. 

No one thinks Hack is anything but hot garbage outside of 40% of posters on jet messageboards

[thadude]

3 hours ago, Larz said:

35 pages on a 3rd string QB

wow

You mean 4th string

[Anthony Jet]

10 minutes ago, thadude said:

"Bad Qb product"?!?

 

3,000 yards passing used to be considered excellent back in the day now it's just average.  Do homework before making generalizations and apologies for Crapenberg

Exactly...rules favor the passing that excellent season have become avg because of how easy it has become yet there still are only a select few that are considered really good. 

[PCP63]

18 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

 

Apparently you trust Macc more than the assistant coach that said "he couldn't hit the ocean."

Or the player that rolled his eyes when asked if Hack was worth a 2nd, and said "he'll never make it."

Those guys see him in practice every day.  They have no reason to bash him that bad.  They could have said "he has a long way to go" instead.   Unless it's true that he is terrible.

But whatevs man. 

Which player? Which coach? Oh, anonymous. Got it.

[Pcola]

3 hours ago, Larz said:

35 pages on a 3rd string QB

wow

Actually, the only reason he was "promoted" to third string was Geno's injury.

[Jetsmanjb]

On May 1, 2016 at 1:50 PM, PCP63 said:

I know it's hard to believe. You look at the stats and see the low completion percentage and overthrows.  You see a guy with bad footwork. How could he possibly be even a decent QB?

Stats don't always tell the full story. If you actually break down the game film, you'll see that he's really not that inaccurate. Most of his incompletions are due to pass rush, drops, and batted down balls. His footwork? After O'Brien left, the coaches kept making him switch his stance, making it awkward for him.

 

This is a kid that ran a pro-style Erhardt Perkins offense as a freshman. He makes the right reads, his audibles are immaculate, and he's very intelligent. Don't blame him for poor line play, and wide receivers that make the wrong choices on choice routes.

When you look at his plays, don't look at the yards gained. Those don't tell you anything. Look at the reads, the audibles, the progressions. If you do, you'll see that he's the most pro-ready QB in this entire draft. And our franchise quarterback.

I totally agree... we cannot afford to waste another early pick on a quarterback.  I hope we can get Leonard Fournette in the draft.   

[Harlemnite1]

22 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Ou do craft players to babysit them but you also don't draft them to play them when they're not ready.  Nothing in that comment makes Bowles even "worst" as a coach.  Actual the opposite is true.  Who says you don't draft players to develop them?  Instant gratification fans who just have to see a new QB?   You don't draft players to look at but sometimes to develop.  It's not babysitting, 

  Well being that the Jets have tried that approach before with the same results how bout we try something different. If they are sitting on him with all this chaos then there must be some real concerns. If that is the case then we will never see Hack play for the Jets. He has to be pretty bad. I think the guy is psychologically damage and I don't think football is a immediate priority. He might need some therapy. Football players are there to play not be babysat. When those young kids stormed the beach at Normandy did the country have time to babysit them. No it was man up time and do your job. Its football a game played by children through high school and college. Ny advice to Macc from here on out is to not draft projects and get some players that are ready to play.

[rangerous]

10 hours ago, RoadFan said:

 

Apparently you trust Macc more than the assistant coach that said "he couldn't hit the ocean."

Or the player that rolled his eyes when asked if Hack was worth a 2nd, and said "he'll never make it."

Those guys see him in practice every day.  They have no reason to bash him that bad.  They could have said "he has a long way to go" instead.   Unless it's true that he is terrible.

But whatevs man. 

do you know who these guys are?  until i do, i won't trust their judgement/observations. unamed sources could be anyone.

[PCP63]

2 hours ago, rangerous said:

do you know who these guys are?  until i do, i won't trust their judgement/observations. unamed sources could be anyone.

They could also be no one.

[Lray]

No one thinks Hack is anything but hot garbage outside of 40% of posters on jet messageboards

Nobody "thinks". Nobody knows.


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[RoadFan]

2 hours ago, PCP63 said:

They could also be no one.

Don't pull this "lying media" crap with me.  There is a prominent person that is grossly overplaying that line of crap to his flock of sheep already.

It is their job to find stories.  Not make them up. Perhaps you should watch the movie "Spotlight" again...

 

[Awesumtenor]

On 5/1/2016 at 2:07 PM, PCP63 said:

I can't think of a single team, even with the worst OL in the league, that let pressure in as fast and as often as that OL did.

Carolina in last year's super bowl; Denver's D looked like a jailbreak every time they dropped  back...Newton was overwhelmed...

[C Mart]

1 hour ago, RoadFan said:

Don't pull this "lying media" crap with me.  There is a prominent person that is grossly overplaying that line of crap to his flock of sheep already.

It is their job to find stories.  Not make them up. Perhaps you should watch the movie "Spotlight" again...

 

so now we are comparing the Mehta's w/the Spotlight investigative reporters? OK then

[Jet Nut]

12 hours ago, Harlemnite1 said:

  Well being that the Jets have tried that approach before with the same results how bout we try something different. If they are sitting on him with all this chaos then there must be some real concerns. If that is the case then we will never see Hack play for the Jets. He has to be pretty bad. I think the guy is psychologically damage and I don't think football is a immediate priority. He might need some therapy. Football players are there to play not be babysat. When those young kids stormed the beach at Normandy did the country have time to babysit them. No it was man up time and do your job. Its football a game played by children through high school and college. Ny advice to Macc from here on out is to not draft projects and get some players that are ready to play.

Try something different?  That's exactly what they've done with Hack.  Sanchez and Geno were thrown in without any develop.  Again, if you decide to give him a year to sit, if that's the plan and you carry QBs to handle it you don't change it up on the fly.  You most certainly don't decide, from the outside looking in, that Hack is psychologically damaged and needs therapy.  Don't know what's worse this ridiculous idea or comparing playing football with storming the beaches of. Normandy.  Thats stupid on so many levels.  

Its amazing how fans actually think

[Beerfish]

14 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Try something different?  That's exactly what they've done with Hack.  Sanchez and Geno were thrown in without any develop.  Again, if you decide to give him a year to sit, if that's the plan and you carry QBs to handle it you don't change it up on the fly.  You most certainly don't decide, from the outside looking in, that Hack is psychologically damaged and needs therapy.  Don't know what's worse this ridiculous idea or comparing playing football with storming the beaches of. Normandy.  Thats stupid on so many levels.  

Its amazing how fans actually think

How does giving a player a year to sit with almost no plan for development help a player? 

Like Hackenburg?  fine.  I disagree totally but I'm fine with that opinion

Like Hackenburg and be fine with the way the Jets handled hi,m this year?  I can't understand this at all in the slightest.

If I was a fan of Hackenburg or had hope he was going to be good I would be enraged at the way the Jets handled him this past year.

[RoadFan]

59 minutes ago, C Mart said:

so now we are comparing the Mehta's w/the Spotlight investigative reporters? OK then

Actually, I was comparing PCP63 to a sheep.  The Spotlight reference was a stretch...  It was the first thing that popped in my head.

As for Mehta, he might troll the Jets occasionally, but I don't believe for a second that he made that story up.  Two people in the Jets organization made those comments.  I don't think it matters who.  Whether it's the punter, or some assistant with the LBs...  they formed an opinion that Hack has no chance.

 

[C Mart]

2 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

Actually, I was comparing PCP63 to a sheep.  The Spotlight reference was a stretch...  It was the first thing that popped in my head.

As for Mehta, he might troll the Jets occasionally, but I don't believe for a second that he made that story up.  Two people in the Jets organization made those comments.  I don't think it matters who.  Whether it's the punter, or some assistant with the LBs...  they formed an opinion that Hack has no chance.

 

And if he asked 98 others that said he would make it or TBD, would he report that if that didn't fit his agenda ? 

[RoadFan]

7 minutes ago, C Mart said:

And if he asked 98 others that said he would make it or TBD, would he report that if that didn't fit his agenda ? 

And Hack's historically awful pre-season performances?  What was that?  Did you not see that with your own eyes?!?!

[C Mart]

7 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

And Hack's historically awful pre-season performances?  What was that?  Did you not see that with your own eyes?!?!

LOL..Historically?  1..And not sure how that answers my question. And BTW Eli had a terrible preseason game his rookie year. Guess the giants should have written off his career after that one.

[RoadFan]

2 minutes ago, C Mart said:

LOL..Historically?  1..And not sure how that answers my question. And BTW Eli had a terrible preseason game his rookie year. Guess the giants should have written off his career after that one.

Yes. Historically.  Where there is smoke, there is fire. 

And Eli was the #1 overall pick.  Hack was considered a reach by many in the 2nd round, and undraftable by others.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/jets-rookie-qb-christian-hackenberg-was-historically-bad-against-the-eagles-090216

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

How does giving a player a year to sit with almost no plan for development help a player? 

Like Hackenburg?  fine.  I disagree totally but I'm fine with that opinion

Like Hackenburg and be fine with the way the Jets handled hi,m this year?  I can't understand this at all in the slightest.

If I was a fan of Hackenburg or had hope he was going to be good I would be enraged at the way the Jets handled him this past year.

He's had a year of meetings, a year of film breakdown, a year of preparation, a year of learning how to live the NFL world.  In the off season he'll have his mechanics worked on.  I don't see it as a wasted year.  It's the traditional way that QBs were developed.   Nothing to be erased about. 

[Beerfish]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

He's had a year of meetings, a year of film breakdown, a year of preparation, a year of learning how to live the NFL world.  In the off season he'll have his mechanics worked on.  I don't see it as a wasted year.  It's the traditional way that QBs were developed.   Nothing to be erased about. 

One of the 'few' big pluses to this guy was that he was smart.  He didn't need a year for all of that stuff.  He got stuck away as a 4th stringer thus getting less prep time, less pratice time and less exposure to the game than the 3 guys in front of him. 

The part about his mechanics is super optimistic seeing as we have no oc and no Qb coach and still no plan of the guy,

When we reach off season workouts and then camp?  He'll be essentially the same player he was this year, except his confidence might be lower because half the world thinks the team is afraid to use him at all.

[Scoop24]

I personally would Draft Kizer if he fell to us .. I got no faith in Hackenberg .. I'm trying to sell myself on him but it just doesn't work for Me

[DMan77]

Not sold on Kizer yet... He's pretty darn streaky... But I don't think he'll be there at 6 anyway... The 49ers or Bears will snatch him up would be my guess.

Which leaves Mitch Trubisky as the most likely to fall to the Jets if one of the 49ers or Bears goes a different direction. And I just don't think (from what I've seen and read so far) that he's a top flight QB worthy of the 6th round pick. I think it would be a real desperate move and a reach...

In my mind at this point he's a 1 year starter who is a game manager... That's not the worst thing in the world at all! It would be nice to have someone at least competent back there... But with the 6th pick? Meh... 

I'll probably flip flop as more info and scouting reports and such come out, but right now I'm not sold.

[C Mart]

4 hours ago, Beerfish said:

One of the 'few' big pluses to this guy was that he was smart.  He didn't need a year for all of that stuff.  He got stuck away as a 4th stringer thus getting less prep time, less pratice time and less exposure to the game than the 3 guys in front of him. 

The part about his mechanics is super optimistic seeing as we have no oc and no Qb coach and still no plan of the guy,

When we reach off season workouts and then camp?  He'll be essentially the same player he was this year, except his confidence might be lower because half the world thinks the team is afraid to use him at all.

36 pages and counting.

As reported many times, he ran the scout team in practices. He wasn't just sitting on his helmet.  

"His confidence might be lower". Yep sure sounds it ? 

 

"He's getting his reads down," Bowles said. "He's seeing a lot of different pressures, and he's handling himself pretty good in practice."

 

"I think it's good just to be able to get in the flow of practice and actually do it," Hackenberg told NJ Advance Media. "You can only do so much seeing and watching. That's been the coolest part, is being able to take the things I've learned in the film room and try to apply them."

The obvious issue with running scout team plays is that Hackenberg isn't executing the Jets' offense. Rather, he is mimicking the opponent's offense against the Jets' first-team defense. Still, this is valuable learning time for him.

"I think any rep against a live defense has been really good," Hackenberg said. "It's helped me and I think it's going to continue to help me."

The scout team experience has at least let Hackenberg get more work reading a defense, based on the coverage scenario.

"I think it's just seeing the big picture, seeing the defense, understanding the timing of it and where to go," he said. "If you can process that, whether it's complete or not, I think that's a win for me."

Offensive coordinator Chan Gailey has said he doesn't want to perhaps overhaul Hackenberg's mechanics until the offseason. And Hackenberg said that's something the coaches haven't worked with him on just yet.

But during the season, Hackenberg said, "we tweak little things."

He sits down once a week with quarterbacks coach Kevin Patullo , and they talk about mechanical tweaks.

"Just try something different," Hackenberg said. "Obviously, you're doing something right to get here. So making a drastic change is hard, especially if you've been doing it for as long as a lot of us have. It's just really trying to find the little things that work. Kevin and I kind of bounce ideas off of each other."

Hackenberg knows he must do a lot of work himself in the offseason, when he plans to again work with quarterbacks coach Jordan Palmer, the younger brother of Cardinals quarterback Carson Palmer, whom the Jets will face Monday.

In the meantime, Hackenberg is taking mental notes on his mechanical errors in practice, and filing them away for the offseason. The goal, said Hackenberg, is to "have a really good plan going into this offseason."

[Jet Nut]

7 hours ago, Beerfish said:

One of the 'few' big pluses to this guy was that he was smart.  He didn't need a year for all of that stuff.  He got stuck away as a 4th stringer thus getting less prep time, less pratice time and less exposure to the game than the 3 guys in front of him. 

The part about his mechanics is super optimistic seeing as we have no oc and no Qb coach and still no plan of the guy,

When we reach off season workouts and then camp?  He'll be essentially the same player he was this year, except his confidence might be lower because half the world thinks the team is afraid to use him at all.

They all need, doesn't make a difference how smart they are.  Peyton often talks about how much there is to learn.  Helps maybe ensure that they will learn. 

Mechanics aren't done by the OC, two different talents teaching QB mechanics and game planning.  You want your mechanics overhauled you go to specialist in the offseason the way Peyton, Brady, Brees, Sanchez, etc all did.  Guys like Palmers brother specialize in it.  Plus I think it doesn't count as coaching under the limitations of the CBA, which restricts the amount of time a team can commit to the coaching of a player.  

We'll see if he's the same guy once camp starts.  

[Anthony Jet]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

They all need, doesn't make a difference how smart they are.  Peyton often talks about how much there is to learn.  Helps maybe ensure that they will learn. 

Mechanics aren't done by the OC, two different talents teaching QB mechanics and game planning.  You want your mechanics overhauled you go to specialist in the offseason the way Peyton, Brady, Brees, Sanchez, etc all did.  Guys like Palmers brother specialize in it.  Plus I think it doesn't count as coaching under the limitations of the CBA, which restricts the amount and time of coaching.  

We'll see if he's the same guy once camp starts.  

No! we need to know now if he is a different guy 

[Joejet]

7 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

No! we need to know now if he is a different guy 

How do you propose that we do it now?

[jeremy2020]

If Hackenberg is the franchise QB...

...May Tebow have mercy on our souls.

[Lray]

36 pages and counting.
As reported many times, he ran the scout team in practices. He wasn't just sitting on his helmet.  
"His confidence might be lower". Yep sure sounds it  
 
"He's getting his reads down," Bowles said. "He's seeing a lot of different pressures, and he's handling himself pretty good in practice."
 

"I think it's good just to be able to get in the flow of practice and actually do it," Hackenberg told NJ Advance Media. "You can only do so much seeing and watching. That's been the coolest part, is being able to take the things I've learned in the film room and try to apply them."

The obvious issue with running scout team plays is that Hackenberg isn't executing the Jets' offense. Rather, he is mimicking the opponent's offense against the Jets' first-team defense. Still, this is valuable learning time for him.

"I think any rep against a live defense has been really good," Hackenberg said. "It's helped me and I think it's going to continue to help me."

The scout team experience has at least let Hackenberg get more work reading a defense, based on the coverage scenario.

"I think it's just seeing the big picture, seeing the defense, understanding the timing of it and where to go," he said. "If you can process that, whether it's complete or not, I think that's a win for me."

Offensive coordinator Chan Gailey has said he doesn't want to perhaps overhaul Hackenberg's mechanics until the offseason. And Hackenberg said that's something the coaches haven't worked with him on just yet.

But during the season, Hackenberg said, "we tweak little things."

He sits down once a week with quarterbacks coach Kevin Patullo , and they talk about mechanical tweaks.

"Just try something different," Hackenberg said. "Obviously, you're doing something right to get here. So making a drastic change is hard, especially if you've been doing it for as long as a lot of us have. It's just really trying to find the little things that work. Kevin and I kind of bounce ideas off of each other."

Hackenberg knows he must do a lot of work himself in the offseason, when he plans to again work with quarterbacks coach Jordan Palmer, the younger brother of Cardinals quarterback Carson Palmer, whom the Jets will face Monday.

In the meantime, Hackenberg is taking mental notes on his mechanical errors in practice, and filing them away for the offseason. The goal, said Hackenberg, is to "have a really good plan going into this offseason."

This post says it all for me.


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[Anthony Jet]

9 hours ago, Joejet said:

How do you propose that we do it now?

We need more anonymous source quotes, that's how

[thadude]

On January 23, 2017 at 0:37 PM, RoadFan said:

And Hack's historically awful pre-season performances?  What was that?  Did you not see that with your own eyes?!?!

Hack was awful last preseason but we have to give him to the year 2029 to learn how to play

 

[maury77]

Positive Hackenberg news:

 

 

"There were reports that the New York Jets are all over North Carolina quarterback Mitch Trubisky. When I told this to Jets sources, they rolled their eyes and shook their head. They said that general manager Mike Maccagnan has them work more in depth on early entry players later in the process and not during the fall, so it is way too early to say that for almost any non-senior.

These sources also said that quarterback Christian Hackenberg developed well behind the scenes as a rookie. Citing Jared Goff with the Rams as an example of a quarterback playing before he was prepared, the Jets didn't want to force Hackenberg on the field before he was ready and end up doing damage to him. This analyst wouldn't be surprised if the Jets went the veteran quarterback route to compete and see how their young quarterbacks improve in 2017.

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2017rumors2.php#lP7Qi25sQtuDKeff.99"

[C Mart]

On 5/1/2016 at 2:32 PM, King P said:

Cal's O-Line was even worse than PSU's, and Goff did just fine.

Love how all the excuses are rolling in for Hackenberg. I'll assume this is just posters trying desperately to talk themselves into this pick

Was Cal starting 2 DL converted to OL? 

Pick is already made sunshine. All some are saying is give a 21 yr old Jr a chance and see if he develops.