What we learned from preseason game #1

[De-Jet-Erate/Duane]

1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

Any good wr would, he caught 6 of hacks 20 td passes, caught 97 of his 232 completions and had 1432 of his 2955 yards.

Agreed. I still think he is our Qb of the future.

[LionelRichie]

We learned that whoever is hiring the sideline reporters is doing an outstanding job.    

other than that not much.   

[Freemanm]

40 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

As for the wide receiver position Devin Smith (they aren't going to give up on him) will make the team, probably Thompkins and either Marhsall or Peake. Maybe both if Marhsall wins the KR job. I'd say the key thing we saw yesterday was that at least in terms of Petty Geno is our best option as no. 2 Qb. I wouldn't trade him even if Dallas offers a 6 or a 7. The rumor for the Cowboys now is that they are going deeper into training camp before they sign or trade for a backup Qb. They want to see what they have in Zach Prescott but based on what I read will not give up a lower draft pick like a 4th rounder to get a backup. The biggest question unanswered is on Hack. If he isn't ahead of Petty at this point then it has to be Geno all the way. 

Granted it's just the first preseason game but I didn't think Geno looked all that accurate. He had a few low passes that were way off the mark.

[nycdan]

1 minute ago, LionelRichie said:

We learned that whoever is hiring the sideline reporters is doing an outstanding job.    

other than that not much.   

We've come a long way from the diaper girls

 

[Rangers9]

Just now, Freemanm said:

Granted it's just the first preseason game but I didn't think Geno looked all that accurate. He had a few low passes that were way off the mark.

I'm not a Geno fan, believe me. But right now he's our only true option as a backup Qb. He does look better and can win an NFL game. The thing is his lack of consistency. 

[JohnnyLV]

46 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

As for the wide receiver position Devin Smith (they aren't going to give up on him) will make the team, probably Thompkins and either Marhsall or Peake. Maybe both if Marhsall wins the KR job. I'd say the key thing we saw yesterday was that at least in terms of Petty Geno is our best option as no. 2 Qb. I wouldn't trade him even if Dallas offers a 6 or a 7. The rumor for the Cowboys now is that they are going deeper into training camp before they sign or trade for a backup Qb. They want to see what they have in Zach Prescott but based on what I read will not give up a lower draft pick like a 4th rounder to get a backup. The biggest question unanswered is on Hack. If he isn't ahead of Petty at this point then it has to be Geno all the way. 

After last night, why would you keep Thompkins? 3 rookies looked better than he every has and Decker/Marshall has a 2 year shelf life.

[Rangers9]

Just now, johnnysd said:

After last night, why would you keep Thompkins? 3 rookies looked better than he every has and Decker/Marshall has a 2 year shelf life.

Just my opinion but he has a resume and they don't. And Gailey used him at times in key situations last year. But I wouldn't be shocked if those guys were to beat him out. 

[raffyD]

My observations after attending the game, which likely aren't worth much:

1. I don't think Milner has it, maybe Revis spoiled me on the fact that a cornerback should be able to cover and tackle but Milner just looks off in taking bad angles, not playing the ball properly, etc.

2. O-line doesn't have the push we used to have, but it's only the first preseason game.

3. Jalin Marshall looks like he can play, had a couple of drops but I think he'll get better and stick around.

4. D. Lee is fast, flies everywhere and will be a good piece in this defense.

5. Geno Smith is not good at the football and doesn't look like an NFL quarterback to me.  Not sure what he's been working on for the past 3 years but it hasn't worked. 

6. Bryce Petty looks better than last year.

7. Special teams seemed better organized than last year.

8. I miss Snacks and so does our run D.

[peebag]

11 minutes ago, Freemanm said:

Granted it's just the first preseason game but I didn't think Geno looked all that accurate. He had a few low passes that were way off the mark.

and he really was telegraphing his passes...completely staring down wrs.

[Freemanm]

Just now, peebag said:

and he really was telegraphing his passes...completely staring down wrs.

Well, if the Jets want to keep four QBs, at least we know K Ross Martin opened up a roster spot last night. I think he was aiming for the moon when he missed that 39 yarder  

[Beerfish]

7 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

After last night, why would you keep Thompkins? 3 rookies looked better than he every has and Decker/Marshall has a 2 year shelf life.

Agreed, thompkisn has done zip and the other guys have been looking good.  I'll be disappointed if we keep tompkins.

[raffyD]

I left out that I miss Ivory.  What can I say, I just like watching a punishing rb hurt defenders trying to tackle him.

[raffyD]

14 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

After last night, why would you keep Thompkins? 3 rookies looked better than he every has and Decker/Marshall has a 2 year shelf life.

 

6 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Agreed, thompkisn has done zip and the other guys have been looking good.  I'll be disappointed if we keep tompkins.

I don't think we keep tompkins

[BUM-KNEE]

I learned that its much more enjoyable watching a Jets team with an abundance of offensive talent than one with a deficit of talent.

This offense should do some damage this season.

[Gastineau Lives]

I'd be incredibly disappointed if we kept Thompkins. We know what he is. No reason to keep a fourth (or fifth) wide receiver because he has a "resume". If we had Clyde Gates as an alternative, then sure, but we don't. Losing one of the young WR's just doesn't make sense.

[PepPep]

Here's some of my takeaways, mostly positive:

-Geno started off poorly but bounced back nicely- what else is new. He made the smart play when needed, which was good to see. 

-Petty played really well. I know it was against 3rd stringers. But he made nice, accurate, strong throws. He showed good pocket awareness and escapability. He made smart decisions. Overall, he looked better than he did in camp. 

-Young rookie LBs looked great. Jenkins made some plays. Lee was all over the field and made a couple of plays in the backfield.  

-Milliner looked solid. I know, he got burned on some big plays. But my takeaway was that he was in position and if not for spectacular catches by the WR, he would have made those plays. Someone mentioned if Revis was covering Robinson would still make those catches. I have to laugh at that. Because, well, its laughable. The QB would probably not even throw the ball if Revis had that kind of coverage. 

-J.Marshall, Ross and Peak looked great. 

-Jets AS A TEAM need to work on wrapping up their tackles. Tackling looked sloppy throughout, but especially with the starting group. They should be embarrassed about that and I'm sure Bowles has already gotten in their ear about that. 

-Red Zone D looked great. 

-Red Zone offense, not so much. 

-Run game looked uninspired. I blame the O-line. 

-Amaro NEEDS MORE TARGETS!!!! Ge the guy involved. He's always open, always getting overthrown or overlooked. 

 

RIGHT NOW these 6 are making a clear push for the final WRs on the roster (assuming Smith is on IR): B.Marshall, Decker, Enunwa, Marshall, Peake, Ross. Very hard, IMO to argue it any other way. These guys have played well in camp, give the Jets 2 capable returners and just had a solid Preseason showing.   

[Rangers9]

50 minutes ago, Big Blocker said:

Your take on Petty's play seems to be in the minority.

I thought that Petty started off well but he came in the 3rd quarter and was in for 6 drives and only 3 points were scored. And that things fizzled later in his performance after a good start. His drives were as follows: 12-70, 9-63, 5-20, 7-33, 3-5, 1-1. At least Geno threw a Td pass. Again I think fans are over attracted to a big arm. He can zip it. We'll see how he does the rest of pre-season. Based on what I saw last night Geno is the better option as our backup. We have a better chance to win with him if Fitz can't play.

[JustInFudge]

Not to be a party pooper, but you know what you take away from that game?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[raffyD]

1 minute ago, JiF said:

Not to be a party pooper, but you know what you take away from that game?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Such a party pooper.

[sourceworx]

I learned that Dee Miliner's biggest problem isn't injuries. It's that he sucks at football. 

[PepPep]

After ONE pre-season game. Here are my final 53. This will assuredly change.

QB (4)

*Saw enough from Petty last night. Jets keep 4 QBs.

1. Fitz
2. Geno
3. Petty
4. Hackenberg

RB (3)

*Did not see enough from Morris last night. He's a goner. Maybe PS. 

1. Forte
2. Powell
3. Robinson 

FB (1) 

1. Bohannon

WR (6) 

*At this point, Enunwa is a lock. Marshall and Peake keep stepping up and showing they can play. Ross came out last night and showed he can be a solid receiver and a return specialist. He's my 6th guy. Smith on IR. Jets will try to get Anderson and Worthy on PS. 

1. B. Marshall
2. Decker
3. Enunwa
4. J. Marshall
5. C. Peake
6. Ross

TE (3)

1. Kellen Davis
2. Jace Amaro
3. Zach Sudfeld

OL (9)

1. Clady
2. Carpenter
3. Mangold
4. Winters
5. Shell 
6. Giacomini
7. Qvale
8. Harrison
9. Dozier

DL (5) 

*Although he is suspended for game 1. I'm putting Sheldon in here, b/c, well, its one game. 

1. Wilkerson
2. Williams
3. Richrdson
4. McClendon
5. Ja. Jenkins

LB (8)

1. Mauldin
2. Harris
3. Henderson
4. Jo. Jenkins
5. Lee
6. Carter
7. Bishop 
8. Deion Barnes

DB (11)

1. Revis
2. Williams
3. Skrine
4. Milliner
5. Burris
6. McDougle
7. Pryor
8. Gilchrist
9. Bailey
10. Miles
11. Middleton

ST (3)

1. Folk
2. Edwards
3. Purdum

[Jet Nut]

I learned that midgets CAN play LB.

4 tackles, 2 for losses and a sack.  Nice start

[PepPep]

12 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

I learned that Dee Miliner's biggest problem isn't injuries. It's that he sucks at football. 

He played well and was always in position. Did not get burned once. Allen Robinson, one of the premiere young WRs in the NFL, just played better. I liked what I saw from Milliner. 

[peebag]

11 minutes ago, PepPep said:

He played well and was always in position. Did not get burned once. Allen Robinson, one of the premiere young WRs in the NFL, just played better. I liked what I saw from Milliner. 

HOw good will Robinson be in this league...wow!

[Jet Nut]

7 minutes ago, peebag said:

HOw good will Robinson be in this league...wow!

Made some tough catches against tight coverage. 

Sometimes guys make great plays, every catch isn't a blown play by a defense as some seem to think around here

[Jackie Treehorn]

34 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

I learned that Dee Miliner's biggest problem isn't injuries. It's that he sucks at football. 

No no, this is just not nice. This is not nice...

[Awesumtenor]

42 minutes ago, PepPep said:

He played well and was always in position. Did not get burned once. Allen Robinson, one of the premiere young WRs in the NFL, just played better. I liked what I saw from Milliner. 

Looking at the replays of the deep ball Robinson caught, Milliner was beat by 2 steps but the pass was underthrown and Robinson slows down which allowed Milliner to catch up. Milliner hesitates before going for the ball and that hesitation was the difference between his getting to it to intercept or knock it away versus Robinson's making the catch.

[munchmemory]

3 hours ago, Rexorcism said:

Put down the gun, man

RLLOL!  I can't.  I've been a Jet fan since the mid 60s.  lol

[Rexorcism]

RLLOL!  I can't.  I've been a Jet fan since the mid 60s.  lol

Jets and guns don't mix...

[greenwave81]

After ONE pre-season game. Here are my final 53. This will assuredly change.

QB (4)

*Saw enough from Petty last night. Jets keep 4 QBs.

1. Fitz
2. Geno
3. Petty
4. Hackenberg

RB (3)

*Did not see enough from Morris last night. He's a goner. Maybe PS. 

1. Forte
2. Powell
3. Robinson 

FB (1) 

1. Bohannon

WR (6) 

*At this point, Enunwa is a lock. Marshall and Peake keep stepping up and showing they can play. Ross came out last night and showed he can be a solid receiver and a return specialist. He's my 6th guy. Smith on IR. Jets will try to get Anderson and Worthy on PS. 

1. B. Marshall
2. Decker
3. Enunwa
4. J. Marshall
5. C. Peake
6. Ross

TE (3)

1. Kellen Davis
2. Jace Amaro
3. Zach Sudfeld

OL (9)

1. Clady
2. Carpenter
3. Mangold
4. Winters
5. Shell 
6. Giacomini
7. Qvale
8. Harrison
9. Dozier

DL (5) 

*Although he is suspended for game 1. I'm putting Sheldon in here, b/c, well, its one game. 

1. Wilkerson
2. Williams
3. Richrdson
4. McClendon
5. Ja. Jenkins

LB (8)

1. Mauldin
2. Harris
3. Henderson
4. Jo. Jenkins
5. Lee
6. Carter
7. Bishop 
8. Deion Barnes

DB (11)

1. Revis
2. Williams
3. Skrine
4. Milliner
5. Burris
6. McDougle
7. Pryor
8. Gilchrist
9. Bailey
10. Miles
11. Middleton

ST (3)

1. Folk
2. Edwards
3. Purdum

What about Forte??

[greenwave81]

What about Forte??

Oops. Now I see him!

[32EBoozer]

4 minutes ago, greenwave81 said:

Oops. Now I see him!

and Ben Ijilana?

[Jetster]

Milliner hasn't played competitive football for 2 years, and was going against one of the best young WRs in the game. If your close enough to make a play, chances are you'll make a play, sometimes the WR/QB are just BETTER.

You think Belichick is cutting Butler because Decker turned him inside out on a winning TD drive? Man, give the guy some time to get acclimated again to the speed of the game while he's finally healthy. I get it, he's been glass but if he's not hurt again, I'm giving him 3 more preseason games to pick up his game & be able to check an opposing teams SECOND WR.

Normally Revis would be on Robinson & yes, he might have gotten a hand in there on those completions.

[Awesumtenor]

2 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Milliner hasn't played competitive football for 2 years, and was going against one of the best young WRs in the game. If your close enough to make a play, chances are you'll make a play, sometimes the WR/QB are just BETTER.

You think Belichick is cutting Butler because Decker turned him inside out on a winning TD drive? Man, give the guy some time to get acclimated again to the speed of the game while he's finally healthy. I get it, he's been glass but if he's not hurt again, I'm giving him 3 more preseason games to pick up his game & be able to check an opposing teams SECOND WR.

Normally Revis would be on Robinson & yes, he might have gotten a hand in there on those completions.

He's been injured...it happens. That doesn't help him  make the team, though.  The NFL does not provide the luxury of mitigation where rosters are concerned; it is wholly Darwinian in nature. You either produce on the field  or you are replaced. Even if you do produce if your production can be replaced by a younger, cheaper player you're hitting the  free agent market whether you think you should be or not and whether it's fair or not. There are younger, cheaper DBs who are not playing the same kind of tentative ball Milliner showed last night. It doesn't matter if he's looked good in camp if he cant take it to the field when the lights are on.

Milliner's window is closing fast. If he plays the second preseason game the way he played this, he will probably be an early cut.

[Sperm Edwards]

4 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

I didn't think Petty played well. He had a few bright moments but he showed a lot of inexperience., And to me a Qb who if called on to play in an NFL real game would not be able to effectively run our offense. At this point I feel he should have better command. The rookie Qb for Jax (the kid from Arkansas) to me showed better ability at least last night to run an offense. Even though he threw that pick in the end zone which was a bad throw. The big question is what can Hack do now. If he's completely not ready then maybe the Jets should consider drafting Qbs who are more ready to play now in the NFL or at least sooner than later. 

You're getting neg-rep-bombed for this but really I don't disagree with you. I'm fine with drafting a project at QB. I'm fine with drafting two project QBs. But a pair of 2-3 year projects at QB, in back to back drafts, means we have 2 QBs this year where, future potential aside, neither can be relied upon to be the #2 QB now (with starting QB who isn't exactly an ironman himself). If even one of them wasn't such a huge project (but perhaps merely had a lower ceiling than Petty or Hackenberg as the tradeoff) then he could man the #2 spot for a season by his sophomore year, and then more seriously compete for the starting job a year later.

Done the way we have, we will hold an extra roster spot for a player (Hackenberg) that has roughly zero chance of seeing the field unless there are injuries to 3 other QBs (and even then it likely wouldn't happen, since we'd bring in or trade for some other low-level scrub to prevent elevating him to starter anyway). The very nature of this 3 QB vs 4 QB decision is that we're going to give up on someone we'd like to take a longer look at, whether that 54th roster bubble player is Petty or a promising kid at another position.

In the end, if either of them grows into a top-level starter, none of this will matter. It just kind of sucks that both our rookie 2nd and 2nd-year 4th round pick are each as far down the depth chart as we'd figure a 6th round rookie would be (on the depth chart bubble as the #3 QB on the roster). If they were taken two years apart, it wouldn't be so bad because this would be the 3rd camp of the first one drafted (so if he was still not showing enough to be the #2 guy, it's not such a controversy for him to not make the final cuts at the end of the preseason).