The Crusher Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, New York Mick said: Chad Pennington Would you take him over Hack Mick? That’s the only point I was making. I just don’t want another tall innacurate doofus who cant wear anything but street clothes on game day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Would you take him over Hack Mick? That’s the only point I was making. I just don’t want another tall innacurate doofus who cant wear anything but street clothes on game day. I’d definitely take him over hack. Obviously not now but he was one of the better Jets QBs. I’d be happy with someone who played as well as Penny boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Warfish said: Macc-Bowles has shown they strongly prioritize Defense. They have shown they strongly believe in BAP regardless of position or need,....especially for defending defensive picks. We're horrible at #1 CB. A CB legitimately is going to (potentially) be sitting at #6 with a BAP-grade higher than 6. And the QB's available by #6 will not be graded #6 overall (Mayfield, perhaps, Allen, perhaps, the rest). Feels like an easy analysis of Bowles and Macc here, they go with the CB. Small chance if the RB Barkley falls to us, they go there too. The Jets are going to have oodles of cash to spend and legit, #1 CB’s like Trumaine Johnson and Malcolm Butler are set to hit the market. I expect the Jets to take care of the position long before the draft. The Jets DB coach Dennard Wilson coached up Johnson while the Rams were still in St. Louis. Bringing in Johnson + re-signing Claiborne to a 2 year deal is something I could easily see the Jets doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 20 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Upside is the limitless @SAR I threads stating the fact Sanchez made the GQ cover instead insures his induction into the Jets ring of honor. The only sustained success at the QB position I have seen both regular season and postseason in the 40 years I've been a Jets fan has been from Mark Sanchez. I'm not saying that's good enough- of course its not. But to deny it is a special form of pathetic all unto itself. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 hours ago, dbatesman said: I posted an article.. I didn't say anything. I didn't even watch the game. You continue to bash a move that hasn't even happened but I've never seen you say what you would do if the Jets miss out on Cousins, and Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield are gone by the time they pick. Want to give it a shot? Or will you just post another gif without committing to an answer thus ensuring your free to whine no matter what happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Warfish said: Macc-Bowles has shown they strongly prioritize Defense. They have shown they strongly believe in BAP regardless of position or need,....especially for defending defensive picks. We're horrible at #1 CB. A CB legitimately is going to (potentially) be sitting at #6 with a BAP-grade higher than 6. And the QB's available by #6 will not be graded #6 overall (Mayfield, perhaps, Allen, perhaps, the rest). Feels like an easy analysis of Bowles and Macc here, they go with the CB. Small chance if the RB Barkley falls to us, they go there too. I dont disagree with a word you are saying, But if they are truly dumb enough to draft Minkah another safety at 6 I seriously might just give up football entirely. It's not like the current corrupt biased product is all that enjoyable to watch anymore anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 48 minutes ago, SAR I said: The only sustained success at the QB position I have seen both regular season and postseason in the 40 years I've been a Jets fan has been from Mark Sanchez. I'm not saying that's good enough- of course its not. But to deny it is a special form of pathetic all unto itself. SAR I Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Harris Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 2 hours ago, August said: Mac is going to make sure to bring in a veteran quarterback. His QB picks so far has looked shakey. But with that said I can’t say that Mac isn’t at least intrigued by Allen, a white, big, tall, strong armed quarterback. dang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, Hitman Harris said: dang That’s what Mac likes. Even the quarterback we brought in Stave is a white, big, tall, strong armed quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Kleckineau said: Lol have you been paying attention to this guys drafts? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Allen played well yesterday and is a lock for top 5, Mayfield did not time to trade up with the Colts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 55 minutes ago, Pac said: Want to give it a shot? Or will you just post another gif without committing to an answer thus ensuring your free to whine no matter what happens? This post is an attack on my personal identity and I won’t stand for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 5 hours ago, New York Mick said: There’s a handful of second day RBs that Chubbs, Johnson, Adams, Freeman, Jones. Best year for Day 3 RBs THO: Penny Hynes Kelly Williams Wadley Walton Thomas Franklin Webb None are headliners but teams want to play 2-3 RBs anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Pac said: I posted an article.. I didn't say anything. I didn't even watch the game. You continue to bash a move that hasn't even happened but I've never seen you say what you would do if the Jets miss out on Cousins, and Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield are gone by the time they pick. Want to give it a shot? Or will you just post another gif without committing to an answer thus ensuring your free to whine no matter what happens? BPA pass rusher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, dbatesman said: BPA pass rusher ok and what about QB? use 2nd round picks to trade back into late first and take Rudolph or something like that? Don't tell me you want Alex Smith or Case Keenum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, Pac said: ok and what about QB? use 2nd round picks to trade back into late first and take Rudolph or something like that? Don't tell me you want Alex Smith or Case Keenum. I don’t really know anything about Rudolph, but that’s fine, I guess. I have less than zero interest in Alex Smith. I’d be ok with Keenum on a reasonable deal, but I doubt that will be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, Pac said: ok and what about QB? use 2nd round picks to trade back into late first and take Rudolph or something like that? Don't tell me you want Alex Smith or Case Keenum. Why do you speak as though the QB starting for the New York Jets franchise next year will be someone other than Josh McCown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 hours ago, August said: Mac is going to make sure to bring in a veteran quarterback. His QB picks so far has looked shakey. But with that said I can’t say that Mac isn’t at least intrigued by Allen, a white, big, tall, strong armed quarterback. What kind of joke is this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Why do you speak as though the QB starting for the New York Jets franchise next year will be someone other than Josh McCown? I'm referring to the long term game plan. If Macc doesn't get Cousins, Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph or Falk he should be booted the f*** out of Florham Park. Fortunately Macc KNOWS that getting Case Keenum and a 4th round QB ain't gonna fly. No way, no how.. not gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Pac said: I'm referring to the long term game plan. If Macc doesn't get Cousins, Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph or Falk he should be booted the f*** out of Florham Park. Fortunately Macc KNOWS that getting Case Keenum and a 4th round QB ain't gonna fly. No way, now how.. not gonna happen. I'd say he knows it'll fly with the HC, especially if he gets to go CB at 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets1958 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 2 hours ago, SAR I said: The only sustained success at the QB position I have seen both regular season and postseason in the 40 years I've been a Jets fan has been from Mark Sanchez. I'm not saying that's good enough- of course its not. But to deny it is a special form of pathetic all unto itself. SAR I You must have become a Jets fan after Kenny O’ Brien and conveniently forgot about 1998 and Vinny T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Pac said: 'm referring to the long term game plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Matt39 said: I'd say he knows it'll fly with the HC, especially if he gets to go CB at 6. Bowles has his faults but I don't buy that he'll only play a vet QB. He gave Hack 90% of the preseason work hoping he'd win the job. If he always intended on starting McCown there's no way in hell he'd have given him virtually zero preseason game reps and less practice reps than Hack. Look up and down the roster.. plenty rookies or 2nd year players who have earned time are playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Did Jets see their quarterback of future in Senior Bowl? play 7:00 AM ET Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer Two of the most polarizing players in the 2018 draft -- Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield -- played in the Senior Bowl on Saturday. The game was of great interest to the New York Jets, who could be in position to draft one of them in April. My takeaways: Allen improved his stock, reducing the chances of his falling to the Jets at No. 6. Mayfield didn't play much (only two series) and did nothing to raise his draft value, which is terrific news for the Jets if they have a secret crush on the Heisman Trophy winner and hope to pick him. At this point, it's hard to imagine him going in the top five. After days of speculation about whether he'd play in the game, Mayfield started for the North team and completed only three of seven passes for 9 yards (one drop). He drew positive reviews for his practice work Wednesday and Thursday, but it didn't carry over to the game. Mayfield missed a couple of open receivers and saw one ball batted down at the line, giving the "he's-too-short" crowd plenty to crow about. (For the record, the Oklahoma product measured 6-foot-⅜-inch.) He didn't stick around for the second half, telling Senior Bowl officials that he needed to get home because of a family medical issue. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: I'll be surprised if Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan takes Mayfield with the sixth pick. Picking that high, GMs look for prototypes, and Mayfield doesn't fall into that category because of his height. People throw out Drew Brees and Russell Wilson as exceptions to the rule, but they weren't top-six picks. They went in the second and third rounds, respectively. Meanwhile, Allen gave an Allen performance, which is to say he was up and down. By his own admission, his first half was "a little shaky" -- he overthrew an open receiver by 5 yards on a deep ball -- but he rallied in a big way and finished 9-for-13 for 158 yards and two touchdowns. Showing he has more than a fastball, Allen displayed nice touch on his two scoring passes (16 and 27 yards), hitting the receivers in stride as they beat man-to-man coverage. He set up the second touchdown by rifling a 31-yard completion on a deep-over route, demonstrating his uncanny arm strength. It was the kind of tight-window throw that has caused problems for him in the past. Yes, Allen has a cannon, everybody knows that, but can he control it? He was a 56.2 percent passer at Wyoming, an alarmingly low completion percentage. Recent history tells us that won't equate to NFL success. Of the 19 starters drafted in 2010 or later, only two were sub-60 percent passers in college: Tyrod Taylor (57.2) and Trevor Siemian (58.9). (Note: I picked 2010 as a demarcation point because of how college offenses have evolved in recent years.) That said, I still think the Jets have interest in Allen, who has the physical tools to be a great one. He also has the inconsistency that drives scouts crazy and could get a GM fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, Pac said: People throw out Drew Brees and Russell Wilson as exceptions to the rule, but they weren't top-six picks. They went in the second and third rounds, respectively. UnitedWhoCimini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I know Blake Bortles has better numbers in college , but it seems like that’s a Josh Allen comp in terms of generalization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, SAR I said: PSL owners don't like black quarterbacks. That's not racist; it's just fact. SAR I It’s not fact. Show me statistics. Show me recorded opinions from every single PSL current owner. If you can’t, it’s not fact. Which you cant ..... so it’s not fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Jets1958 said: You must have become a Jets fan after Kenny O’ Brien and conveniently forgot about 1998 and Vinny T. Ken O'Brien was a joke. A frightened happy feet interception machine. As a 5 year veteran at age 28, threw 39 interceptions in his last 3 seasons. 8 years as a Jets starter, not a single playoff win to his name. Vinny Testaverde won 1 playoff game, got 10 points as a gift in the AFCCG with Parcells and Belihick as support and did nothing with it, injured himself lunging for a meaningless fumble in 1999, and then got old immediately and wasted our 2000 and 2001 seasons, and cost us a first round bye and perhaps a Super Bowl appearance with his pathetic play early in the 2002 season. The epitome of a big-game choker in every city he ever played in. 5 Jets seasons, down the toilet. Chad Pennington had 6 seasons in New York, was only healthy for 3.5 of them, lost 3 playoff games, never had a playoff QBR over 90. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who watched the games these clowns played. And then they run Mark Sanchez out of town at age 25 who in his tenure outperformed all these others you idolize like other losers like David Wright. You Jets fans get what you deserve, you truly do. You thought Rusty Staub was a great player so its no surprise. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: It’s not fact. Show me statistics. Show me recorded opinions from every single PSL current owner. If you can’t, it’s not fact. Which you cant ..... so it’s not fact. Sorry, it's a fact so you can't argue it. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, SAR I said: Sorry, it's a fact so you can't argue it. SAR I You can’t prove it as fact so it’s not a fact. You can’t argue it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, Patriot Killa said: You can’t prove it as fact so it’s not a fact. You can’t argue it. I'm a PSL owner, I sit around 100s of other PSL owners, I know what they've said, I know what they've shouted during their boo's, and I know how they think and it's a fact. A franchise struggling to sell season tickets isn't going to be interested in a quarterback that isn't box office friendly. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, SAR I said: I'm a PSL owner, I sit around 100s of other PSL owners, I know what they've said, I know what they've shouted during their boo's, and I know how they think and it's a fact. A franchise struggling to sell season tickets isn't going to be interested in a quarterback that isn't box office friendly. SAR I As much as I love to argue with you SAR, this one is pretty stupid. Idc who you sit next to or what you hear, if you get a player in here that is black and he gets us to the playoffs then he is going to be immortalized by this fan base .. it’s really that simple. Now, I’m done talking about this. This one has to be the pettiest attempt yet at race baiting. Smh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I appreciate Sar’s honesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 20 minutes ago, SAR I said: PSL owners don't like black quarterbacks. That's not racist; it's just fact. SAR I I usually agree with you, but this one is crazy. Any PSL owner who cares about skin color for QB is the exception not the norm. Jets fans want a winner, they would take a good QB any day and don’t care about color. I don’t think they want a mobile first QB because they know it’s not a path to long term success. But I don’t think it’s fair to make that accusation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, NoBowles said: I usually agree with you, but this one is crazy. Any PSL owner who cares about skin color for QB is the exception not the norm. Jets fans want a winner, they would take a good QB any day and don’t care about color. I don’t think they want a mobile first QB because they know it’s not a path to long term success. But I don’t think it’s fair to make that accusation. First let me make clear that these aren't my personal feelings but rather an observation by that which I see around me. I'd take an orange quarterback if he could win a division and get me a home playoff game, trust me. If you think about it, the fans were completely energized when Pennington stepped in to replace Testaverde (who was practically black), and then when Sanchez stepped in to replace Favre (Mississippi so had some black in him) and then of course when Fitzpatrick took out Geno Smith (who was really black) and Mike Vick (who was slightly black). So there's a trend here. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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