JoJoTownsell1 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 If Cousins isn't that good, why have von Miller and Patrick Peterson recently come out lobbying for their teams to get him? I understand those people that don't want to use cap space or prefer to draft a kid but those of you that simply don't think he's that good seem to be at odds with some of the best defensive players in the league that should know better than any of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: If Cousins isn't that good, why have von Miller and Patrick Peterson recently come out lobbying for their teams to get him? I understand those people that don't want to use cap space or prefer to draft a kid but those of you that simply don't think he's that good seem to be at odds with some of the best defensive players in the league that should know better than any of us Simple. Because they're at the end of their prime years and wanna win NOW. They don't got time to wait for a rookie QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I think most of us just don't think he's worthy of being made the highest paid player in the league, and more importantly, don't think he's worth allocating a third (ish?) of our salary cap for. I don't think there are many people who would sincerely deny the fact that he is a good QB. Of course, there is a lot of debate about how good he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I think we're in a better position than Denver & Arizona ... they're much more in a "win now" mode, with ageing talent, whereas we're not. So if we don't get Cousins and draft a QB instead, we're still in a good place IMHO. Denver would need that rookie to start - and win - quick, as would Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, slimjasi said: I think most of us just don't think he's worthy of being made the highest paid player in the league, and more importantly, don't think he's worth allocating a third (ish?) of our salary cap for. I don't think there are many people who would sincerely deny the fact that he is a good QB. Of course, there is a lot of debate about how good he is. He'll be the highest paid player in the league for about a season. Then Rogers and Ryan will be. Then Brees Highest paid is just the most recent QB to sign a contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20andOut Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, slimjasi said: I think most of us just don't think he's worthy of being made the highest paid player in the league, and more importantly, don't think he's worth allocating a third (ish?) of our salary cap for. 2018 cap expected to be $175M so paying Cousinns $25M would be 1/7 of cap. A shi-load of money for sure but far from 1/3 of cap. I think Cousins is the safest bet. He is in the top half of the league as starter over last three years. Especially when you take away the greybeards that can no longer be a part of anyones long term plans (Eli, Brees, Roth, even Rivers) Add to that the fact that any draft pick, Darnold, Rosen, whoever is a total roll of the dice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, slimjasi said: don't think he's worth allocating a third (ish?) of our salary cap for. ish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 24 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: If Cousins isn't that good, why have von Miller and Patrick Peterson recently come out lobbying for their teams to get him? I understand those people that don't want to use cap space or prefer to draft a kid but those of you that simply don't think he's that good seem to be at odds with some of the best defensive players in the league that should know better than any of us He is easily better than Paxton lynch and drew Stanton that’s why. Cousins is much better than those two. Cousins is nowhere near top qb in the league, but he is much better than a handful of teams have. He is definitely not the god some homers wish he will be if we got him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, slimjasi said: I think most of us just don't think he's worthy of being made the highest paid player in the league, and more importantly, don't think he's worth allocating a third (ish?) of our salary cap for. I don't think there are many people who would sincerely deny the fact that he is a good QB. Of course, there is a lot of debate about how good he is. That's pretty much it. He is a good player. People just don't think he's worth Aaron Rodgers money. But fact is, Rodgers isn't even getting Rodgers money, because that's how this league works. And now Alex Smith is getting more then him. Doesn't make sense it's just supply and demand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, SenorGato said: ish Unless 1/3 is a substantially inaccurate estimate of how much of our salary cap this year would have to go to Cousins, then I'm not sure what the point of this post was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, slimjasi said: Unless 1/3 is a substantially inaccurate estimate of how much of our salary cap this year would have to go to Cousins, then I'm not sure what the point of this post was. Oh you were dead on, even higher than 1/3 maybe depending on who is doing the JN Math and their mood that moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Just now, SenorGato said: Oh you were dead on, even higher than 1/3 maybe depending on who is doing the JN Math. LOL ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Just now, slimjasi said: LOL ok. Could get as high as 1/2 over 5 years IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, chirorob said: He'll be the highest paid player in the league for about a season. Then Rogers and Ryan will be. Then Brees Highest paid is just the most recent QB to sign a contract I'm well aware, but this is exactly why I am not a big fan of getting a QB in free agency, you know, unless we are actually getting Rodgers or Brees. (i.e. The Cousins debate is more about how close he is to those guys then whether or not he is a good QB) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Could get as high as 1/2 over 5 years IIRC Yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 29 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: Simple. Because they're at the end of their prime years and wanna win NOW. They don't got time to wait for a rookie QB. Peterson is 27 and Miller is 28. Do some of you even think b4 you post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeet Ulrich Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Peterson is 27 and Miller is 28. Do some of you even think b4 you post? That's not young. 90% of players on NFL rosters are < 29 years of age. If they were 23, you'd have a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Peterson is 27 and Miller is 28. Do some of you even think b4 you post? Not really, no. Besides...they want a veteran QB to lead their veteran team. They don't wanna deal with the ups and downs of a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Yikes Yeah, and that’s not even the worse news. JNMathematicians have projected a below .500 record and zero playoff wins using the win skills he established in Washington. So 90% of the cap for 5+ years for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 43 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Peterson is 27 and Miller is 28. Do some of you even think b4 you post? JNMathematicians have figured that 26+ is old in the NFL. Lots of exciting finds so far this offseason! 7+ months ‘til real games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Remember when Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker and Nick Mangold and Todd Bowles all wanted Ryan Fitzpatrick back?...why would they do that if he sucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 FTR, I dont think Cousins sucks but this is silly logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, JiF said: Remember when Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker and Nick Mangold and Todd Bowles all wanted Ryan Fitzpatrick back?...why would they do that if he sucks? Gee ... no idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Just now, jetrider said: Gee ... no idea Remember when Brandon Marshall allowed the Bears to trade him to the Jets so he could play and live with Geno Smith? Why would he do that if Geno sucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, JiF said: Remember when Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker and Nick Mangold and Todd Bowles all wanted Ryan Fitzpatrick back?...why would they do that if he sucks? Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jetrider Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Cousins wants to play for a winner. If he was anything special he'd make any team a winner. With his comments he isolates himself from the rest of the team and indirectly judges/blames the team separately. Josh Allen says he'll take a loser and turn the team around. That's the correct attitude. Cousins almost sounds like a diva though a very generic vanilla bean diva. No idea when he became the latest QB sensation. I couldn't care less about Kirk Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Von Miller raises chickens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Just now, jetrider said: Cousins wants to play for a winner. If he was anything special he'd make any team a winner. With his comments he isolates himself from the rest of the team and indirectly judges/blames the team separately. Josh Allen says he'll take a loser and turn the team around. That's the correct attitude. Cousins almost sounds like a diva though a very generic vanilla bean diva. No idea when he became the latest QB sensation. I couldn't care less about Kirk Cousins. To be fair, he's obviously the best FA QB on the market, and as a result, our QB-starved fans are acting accordingly. He's over-hyped, but that's par for the course. He's still a nice player and can definitely help the right team. Of course, the question is whether or not we are the right team. The reality is that very few guys are good enough to turn a team around by themselves, and correspondingly, very few guys actually have the attitude that you are describing (Unfortunately, those guys almost never make it to free agency). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 The Jets QB’s have literally been so pathetic for more than half of my lifetime. Probably way more than half, I’m willing to live with the Jets overpaying for a good to very good QB in his prime years. Anyone against that thought process hasn’t suffered enough I guess, or at least hasn’t had enough of way below average QB play. When’s the last time the Jets had a top 12 QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, 20andOut said: 2018 cap expected to be $175M so paying Cousinns $25M would be 1/7 of cap. A shi-load of money for sure but far from 1/3 of cap. I think Cousins is the safest bet. He is in the top half of the league as starter over last three years. Especially when you take away the greybeards that can no longer be a part of anyones long term plans (Eli, Brees, Roth, even Rivers) Add to that the fact that any draft pick, Darnold, Rosen, whoever is a total roll of the dice. the other thing to factor is that the top draft pick gets a pretty hefty salary these days. so when the cost numbers get factored between cousins and a top draft pick the differential also has meaning. and both players will have 5 season commitments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 51 minutes ago, JiF said: Remember when Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker and Nick Mangold and Todd Bowles all wanted Ryan Fitzpatrick back?...why would they do that if he sucks? Because Smith was hated in the locker room, and sucked worst? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, rangerous said: the other thing to factor is that the top draft pick gets a pretty hefty salary these days. so when the cost numbers get factored between cousins and a top draft pick the differential also has meaning. and both players will have 5 season commitments. Mitchell Trubisky, drafted #2 overall last year, signed a four year contract worth $29M total - a far cry from the $29M/year that Cousins is probably looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 hours ago, SenorGato said: Could get as high as 1/2 over 5 years IIRC I guess this is the only way to deal with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Cousins simply isn't worth being paid as a top 5 QB because he just isn't one.period. If he were, then why would the Redskins then let such a hard to get franchise QB walk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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