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It would appear that Gase’ perspective is that there is very little to work with from this mess after four years, as opposed to “thank you Mike for leaving me these players, and I look forward to working with them.”

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4 minutes ago, Joe the Breadman said:

And there were actually people upset at "the timing" of Mac being fired.

 

He should have been kicked in the nuts as well.

And to think there were still people who defended this guy right up to the point where he got fired. 

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45 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

2015

  • 1.6:  Leonard Williams  --  Likely to be let go as UFA after 2019
  • 2.37:  Devin Smith --  Out of NFL after 2016
  • 3.82:  Lorenzo Mauldin  -- Out of NFL after 2016
  • 4.103:  Bryce Petty  --  Out of NFL after 2017
  • 5.152:  G Jarvis Harrison  --  Out of NFL after 2015
  • 7.223:  NT Deon Simon  --  Out of NFL after 2016

2016

  • 1.20:  Darron Lee  -- Traded for 6th round pick in 2019 offseason
  • 2.51:  Christian Hackenberg  --  Worst draft pick in Jets history; Out of NFL after 2016
  • 3.83:  Jordan Jenkins
  • 4.118:  CB Juston Burris  --  Cut by Jets in 2017, cut by Bucs in '18; currently buried deep on Browns depth chart
  • 5.158:  OT Brandon Shell  --  # 56 OT in 2018 per PFF
  • 7.235:  P Lac Edwards 
  • 7.241:  WR/ST Charone Peake

2017

  • 1.6:  Jamal Adams  --  Box Safety taken ahead of Watson/Mahomes
  • 2.39:  Marcus Maye  --  Why?
  • 3.79:  ArDarius Stewart  --  Out of NFL after 2017
  • 4.141:  Chad Hansen  --  Out of NFL after 2017
  • 5.150:  Jordan Leggett  --  Fat, lazy; Cut by Jets in 2019
  • 5.181:  Dylan Donahue  --  Drove wrong way thru Lincoln Tunnel; Out of NFL after 2017
  • 6.188:  Elijah McGuire
  • 6.197:  DB Jeremy Clark  --  Currently # 9 Safety on depth chart
  • 6.204:  CB Derrick Jones

2018

  • 1.3:  Sam Darnold  --  Savior; Credit for selection to Heimerdinger, Dave Gettleman
  • 3.72:  Nathan Shepherd  --  32 year old project DT at crowded position
  • 4.107:  Chris Herndon  --  Macc's best draft pick
  • 6.178:  Parry Nickerson
  • 6.180:  Folorunso Fatukaski  -- 5th DT drafted by Macc in 4-year period
  • 6.204:  Trenton Cannon

2019

  • 1.3:  Quinnen Williams  --  6th DT drafted by Macc in 5-year period
  • 3.68:  Jachai Polite
  • 3.92:  Chuma Edoga  --  Only OL taken in first 4 rounds in Macc era; only OT who will be on roster by 2021
  • 4.121:  Trevon Wesco
  • 5.157:  Blake Cashman  --  Darron Lee replacement
  • 6.196:  Blessuan Austin  --  Multiple bad knees

This list makes you want to cry. 

What about another team. Let’s say the giants.  Were they this bad?

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2 minutes ago, batman10023 said:

This list makes you want to cry. 

What about another team. Let’s say the giants.  Were they this bad?

No.  No other team was this bad. 

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I love the commentary next to each cut player. Leggett and Donahue made me LOL.

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10 minutes ago, Maxman said:

I love the commentary next to each cut player. Leggett and Donahue made me LOL.

Me too the Shepherd one too- 32 year old project DT in a crowded position HAHAHA

ahhh we’re f’d

(again)

At least we do have a couple blue chips thrown in now

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13 minutes ago, Maxman said:

I love the commentary next to each cut player. Leggett and Donahue made me LOL.e

I cracked up on the commentary on Maye and shepherd. 

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The Mac-n-hack 34

 

add the Idzik 19 = 6 years of pain (not many players left out of 53 picks and it will be worse after this year) 

53 players interesting number (could have fielded a team) lol but alas there would not have been enough OL

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55 minutes ago, batman10023 said:

This list makes you want to cry. 

What about another team. Let’s say the giants.  Were they this bad?

 

52 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

No.  No other team was this bad. 

 

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, here's the Giants since 2015:

(2015-17:  Jerry Reese; 2018-present:  Dave Gettleman)

 

2015

  • 1.9:  OT Ereck Flowers  --  Cut by NYG in 2018, signed by Jaguars; signed as UFA by Redskins in '19 to 1-year deal
  • 2.33:  S Landon Collins  --  Signed as UFA by Redskins in '19 to 6-year, $84M deal
  • 3.74:  DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa  --  Out of NFL after 2016
  • 5.144:  S Mykkele Thompson  --  Out of NFL after 2016
  • 6.186:  WR/ST Geremy Davis  --  Waived in 2016 by NYG; Signed by Chargers and still on LAC roster
  • 7.226:  G/T Bobby Hart  --  Waived by NYG  in 2018; started all 16 games at RT for CIN in 2018

2016

  • 1.10:  CB Eli Apple  --  Traded to NO in 2018 for 2019 4th rounder + 2020 7th rounder
  • 2.40:  WR Sterling Shepard  --  Starting WR2
  • 3.71:  S Darian Thompson  --  Cut in Sep 2018; Signed to AZ Practice Squad, then signed by DAL in Nov '18
  • 4.109:  OLB B.J. Goodson  --  Started 13 games in 2018
  • 5.149:  RB Paul Perkins  --  Out of NFL after 2017
  • 6.184:  WR/TE Jerell Adams  --  Out of NFL after 2017

2017

  • 1.23:  TE Evan Engram  --  Starter
  • 2.55:  DT Dalvin Thompson  --  Starter
  • 3.87:  QB Davis Webb  --  Cut in Sep 2018, Signed to Jets PS
  • 4.140:  RB Wayne Gallman  --  Backup RB
  • 5.167:  DE Avery Moss  --  Out of NFL after 2017
  • 6.200:  OT Adam Bisnowaty  --  Out of NFL after 2017

2018

  • 1.2:  RB Saquon Barkley  --  Phenom, but not a QB
  • 2.34:  G Will Hernandez  --  Starter
  • 3.66:  DE Lorenzo Carter  --  4 sacks as a rookie
  • 3.69:  DT B.J. Hill  --  12 starts, 5.5 sacks as a rookie
  • 4.108:  QB Kyle Lauletta  --  Backup
  • 5.139:  DT R.J. McIntosh

2019

  • 1.6:  QB Daniel Jones  --  Next Hackenberg
  • 1.17:  DT Dexter Lawrence
  • 1.30:  CB Deandre Baker
  • 3.95:  DE Oshane Ximines
  • 4.108:  CB Julian Love
  • 5.143:  LB Ryan Connelly
  • 5.171:  WR Darius Slayton
  • 6.180:  CB Corey Ballentine
  • 7.232:  OT George Asafo-Adjei
  • 7.245:  DT Chris Slayton

 

 

Conclusion:  Several busts above, but its no contest.  Jerry Reese/Dave Gettleman did a far better job from 2015-present than Mike Maccagnan.  And Reese was fired during that span whereas Macc kept his job thru 5 drafts.

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1 hour ago, Joe the Breadman said:

And there were actually people upset at "the timing" of Mac being fired.

 

He should have been kicked in the nuts as well.

Very much upset, if he would have been fired when he should have been at minimum when bowles was let go we would not have to be dealing with this years picks and his fa moves.

"We're going to fire you but 1st we will let you wreck the team a bit more."

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The bright side is the Jets have stocked the CFL quite well the last few years.

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https://www.ganggreennation.com/2019/5/17/18629056/new-york-jets-how-bad-was-mike-maccagnans-draft-performance-stats-on-maccagnan-drafts-2015-2018

I thought this article was pretty good. Adds some quantitative analysis to the debate. I like the Net AV because it creates more of an apples to apples comparison amongst teams. Macc drafting at 6 should get a player than a team drafting 24. The Net AV tried to factor that in.

Nothing we didn’t already know. Good in the first. Terrible the rest of the way. Full draft he was the 8th worst at drafting.

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43 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

The bright side is the Jets have stocked the CFL quite well the last few years.

And AAF.

 

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2019/02/10/after-profanity-laced-aaf-washout-christian-hackenberg-may-be-out-of-options/

After profanity-laced AAF washout, Christian Hackenberg may be out of options  gettyimages-630768338.jpg?w=2000&h=1200&

It’s not Christian Hackenberg’s fault that the Jets took him in the second round of the 2016 NFL draft.

If the Penn State alum had been selected with a pick more commensurate with his talent — say, a late third-day pick — or gone undrafted, the fact that he never threw a regular-season pass for the Jets wouldn’t be such a big deal. But Hackenberg, who was traded to the Raiders last May and released by Oakland less than a month later, did nothing to prove that he was ready for the NFL when he was actually in it, which made the Alliance of American Football a marginally interesting option. Perhaps Hackenberg could turn things around in a league with less imposing defensive competition and at least start to show a workable NFL skill set.

That was the hope, anyway. But based on his AAF debut, Hackenberg may be at the end of the road. In the Memphis Express’ 26-0 loss at the hands of the Birmingham Iron (love these World Football League-style names), he completed just 10 of 23 passes for 87 yards and an interception.

Moreover, he kept throwing profanity during his less-than-incendiary performance (warning: NSFW language abounds):

It’s nobody else’s fault but Hackenberg’s if he can’t complete a simple RPO, or if he throws late into a cabal of defenders, or his dropback makes him look like your Uncle Frank after too many brews at the July 4 barbecue. This is, quite simply, a quarterback who does not appear to be ready for anything approaching professional football, and while that’s unfortunate, it’s also the reality of things. Perhaps the worst second-round pick in NFL history has nowhere to go from here if he can’t do something to improve his performance.

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48 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

https://www.ganggreennation.com/2019/5/17/18629056/new-york-jets-how-bad-was-mike-maccagnans-draft-performance-stats-on-maccagnan-drafts-2015-2018

I thought this article was pretty good. Adds some quantitative analysis to the debate. I like the Net AV because it creates more of an apples to apples comparison amongst teams. Macc drafting at 6 should get a player than a team drafting 24. The Net AV tried to factor that in.

Nothing we didn’t already know. Good in the first. Terrible the rest of the way. Full draft he was the 8th worst at drafting. 

 

And AV has lots of flaws.  Most notably, it doesn't do a good enough job of taking into account position importance. 

For instance, in 2010, Sione Pouha received the highest AV Grade on the team.  No NT should ever receive the highest grade on a team, especially a team that went 11-5.

This quote from the article was funny:

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Of course, Maccagnan did have some good fortune in his favor when it came to the first round. The average Jets first round pick over this span was made at 8.8 overall, the second-best first round positioning in the league behind only Chicago.

Well that's a positive way to spin it.  "Good fortune" gave us a great draft position.  Because its always a great sign for a GM that you're always picking in the top 10, lol. 

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1 hour ago, GreenFish said:

https://www.ganggreennation.com/2019/5/17/18629056/new-york-jets-how-bad-was-mike-maccagnans-draft-performance-stats-on-maccagnan-drafts-2015-2018

I thought this article was pretty good. Adds some quantitative analysis to the debate. I like the Net AV because it creates more of an apples to apples comparison amongst teams. Macc drafting at 6 should get a player than a team drafting 24. The Net AV tried to factor that in.

Nothing we didn’t already know. Good in the first. Terrible the rest of the way. Full draft he was the 8th worst at drafting.

Good article.  It really shows how inept we are.  Notice as well that teams like NE and New Orleans, despite drafting near the end of every round due to continued succes, somehow manage to acquire a lot of expected AV (likely through trades and comp draft picks).   Yet somehow we manage to have less expected AV (nevermind the fact that we end up being negative after the actual draft) than they do, despite drafting in the top 10 almost every season.  It's just mind blowing how this could be called a rebuild.  At the very least, before Darnold we should have been close to the Browns in terms of expected AV.

Idzik couldn't draft either, but at least he was competent enough in stockpiling draft picks.  Mac is literally amongst the worst GMs in our entire history when you factor everything in together: The bad drafting, the stupid and bloated contracts to bad FAs, the opportunity cost lost etc etc.

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Proof that we are the suck. But point it out and it's "whining."

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36 minutes ago, jgb said:

Proof that we are the suck. But point it out and it's "whining."

Mac most certainly was the suck of all sucks. Let’s hope the next gm is average at least. Average would be a major improvement over Mac 

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Don't know if you guys heard, but Maccagnan was fired. I mean, the timing wasn't the best, but he's gone. 

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4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And AAF.

 

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2019/02/10/after-profanity-laced-aaf-washout-christian-hackenberg-may-be-out-of-options/

After profanity-laced AAF washout, Christian Hackenberg may be out of options  gettyimages-630768338.jpg?w=2000&h=1200&

It’s not Christian Hackenberg’s fault that the Jets took him in the second round of the 2016 NFL draft.

If the Penn State alum had been selected with a pick more commensurate with his talent — say, a late third-day pick — or gone undrafted, the fact that he never threw a regular-season pass for the Jets wouldn’t be such a big deal. But Hackenberg, who was traded to the Raiders last May and released by Oakland less than a month later, did nothing to prove that he was ready for the NFL when he was actually in it, which made the Alliance of American Football a marginally interesting option. Perhaps Hackenberg could turn things around in a league with less imposing defensive competition and at least start to show a workable NFL skill set.

That was the hope, anyway. But based on his AAF debut, Hackenberg may be at the end of the road. In the Memphis Express’ 26-0 loss at the hands of the Birmingham Iron (love these World Football League-style names), he completed just 10 of 23 passes for 87 yards and an interception.

Moreover, he kept throwing profanity during his less-than-incendiary performance (warning: NSFW language abounds):

It’s nobody else’s fault but Hackenberg’s if he can’t complete a simple RPO, or if he throws late into a cabal of defenders, or his dropback makes him look like your Uncle Frank after too many brews at the July 4 barbecue. This is, quite simply, a quarterback who does not appear to be ready for anything approaching professional football, and while that’s unfortunate, it’s also the reality of things. Perhaps the worst second-round pick in NFL history has nowhere to go from here if he can’t do something to improve his performance.

 

Guy can't catch a break.  

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5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

 

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, here's the Giants since 2015:

(2015-17:  Jerry Reese; 2018-present:  Dave Gettleman)

 

2015

  • 1.9:  OT Ereck Flowers  --  Cut by NYG in 2018, signed by Jaguars; signed as UFA by Redskins in '19 to 1-year deal
  • 2.33:  S Landon Collins  --  Signed as UFA by Redskins in '19 to 6-year, $84M deal
  • 3.74:  DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa  --  Out of NFL after 2016
  • 5.144:  S Mykkele Thompson  --  Out of NFL after 2016
  • 6.186:  WR/ST Geremy Davis  --  Waived in 2016 by NYG; Signed by Chargers and still on LAC roster
  • 7.226:  G/T Bobby Hart  --  Waived by NYG  in 2018; started all 16 games at RT for CIN in 2018

2016

  • 1.10:  CB Eli Apple  --  Traded to NO in 2018 for 2019 4th rounder + 2020 7th rounder
  • 2.40:  WR Sterling Shepard  --  Starting WR2
  • 3.71:  S Darian Thompson  --  Cut in Sep 2018; Signed to AZ Practice Squad, then signed by DAL in Nov '18
  • 4.109:  OLB B.J. Goodson  --  Started 13 games in 2018
  • 5.149:  RB Paul Perkins  --  Out of NFL after 2017
  • 6.184:  WR/TE Jerell Adams  --  Out of NFL after 2017

2017

  • 1.23:  TE Evan Engram  --  Starter
  • 2.55:  DT Dalvin Thompson  --  Starter
  • 3.87:  QB Davis Webb  --  Cut in Sep 2018, Signed to Jets PS
  • 4.140:  RB Wayne Gallman  --  Backup RB
  • 5.167:  DE Avery Moss  --  Out of NFL after 2017
  • 6.200:  OT Adam Bisnowaty  --  Out of NFL after 2017

2018

  • 1.2:  RB Saquon Barkley  --  Phenom, but not a QB
  • 2.34:  G Will Hernandez  --  Starter
  • 3.66:  DE Lorenzo Carter  --  4 sacks as a rookie
  • 3.69:  DT B.J. Hill  --  12 starts, 5.5 sacks as a rookie
  • 4.108:  QB Kyle Lauletta  --  Backup
  • 5.139:  DT R.J. McIntosh

2019

  • 1.6:  QB Daniel Jones  --  Next Hackenberg
  • 1.17:  DT Dexter Lawrence
  • 1.30:  CB Deandre Baker
  • 3.95:  DE Oshane Ximines
  • 4.108:  CB Julian Love
  • 5.143:  LB Ryan Connelly
  • 5.171:  WR Darius Slayton
  • 6.180:  CB Corey Ballentine
  • 7.232:  OT George Asafo-Adjei
  • 7.245:  DT Chris Slayton

 

 

Conclusion:  Several busts above, but its no contest.  Jerry Reese/Dave Gettleman did a far better job from 2015-present than Mike Maccagnan.  And Reese was fired during that span whereas Macc kept his job thru 5 drafts.

And yet it was somehow wrong for this guy to get fired?

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7 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And to think there were still people who defended this guy right up to the point where he got fired. 

Mac’s drafts up until he got ridiculously lucky in 2018 with Sam were all disastrous.

 

The worst part is he was refusing to admit scrubs like Lee had to go.  C-ya

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2015
  • 1.6:  Leonard Williams  --  Likely to be let go as UFA after 2019
  • 2.37:  Devin Smith --  Out of NFL after 2016
  • 3.82:  Lorenzo Mauldin  -- Out of NFL after 2016
  • 4.103:  Bryce Petty  --  Out of NFL after 2017
  • 5.152:  G Jarvis Harrison  --  Out of NFL after 2015
  • 7.223:  NT Deon Simon  --  Out of NFL after 2016
2016
  • 1.20:  Darron Lee  -- Traded for 6th round pick in 2019 offseason
  • 2.51:  Christian Hackenberg  --  Worst draft pick in Jets history; Out of NFL after 2016
  • 3.83:  Jordan Jenkins
  • 4.118:  CB Juston Burris  --  Cut by Jets in 2017, cut by Bucs in '18; currently buried deep on Browns depth chart
  • 5.158:  OT Brandon Shell  --  # 56 OT in 2018 per PFF
  • 7.235:  P Lac Edwards 
  • 7.241:  WR/ST Charone Peake
2017
  • 1.6:  Jamal Adams  --  Box Safety taken ahead of Watson/Mahomes
  • 2.39:  Marcus Maye  --  Why?
  • 3.79:  ArDarius Stewart  --  Out of NFL after 2017
  • 4.141:  Chad Hansen  --  Out of NFL after 2017
  • 5.150:  Jordan Leggett  --  Fat, lazy; Cut by Jets in 2019
  • 5.181:  Dylan Donahue  --  Drove wrong way thru Lincoln Tunnel; Out of NFL after 2017
  • 6.188:  Elijah McGuire
  • 6.197:  DB Jeremy Clark  --  Currently # 9 Safety on depth chart
  • 6.204:  CB Derrick Jones
2018
  • 1.3:  Sam Darnold  --  Savior; Credit for selection to Heimerdinger, Dave Gettleman
  • 3.72:  Nathan Shepherd  --  32 year old project DT at crowded position
  • 4.107:  Chris Herndon  --  Macc's best draft pick
  • 6.178:  Parry Nickerson
  • 6.180:  Folorunso Fatukaski  -- 5th DT drafted by Macc in 4-year period
  • 6.204:  Trenton Cannon
2019
  • 1.3:  Quinnen Williams  --  6th DT drafted by Macc in 5-year period
  • 3.68:  Jachai Polite
  • 3.92:  Chuma Edoga  --  Only OL taken in first 4 rounds in Macc era; only OL who will be on roster by 2021
  • 4.121:  Trevon Wesco
  • 5.157:  Blake Cashman  --  Darron Lee replacement
  • 6.196:  Blessuan Austin  --  Multiple bad knees

We all know he drafted poorly. He is gone now.


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Just now, Bruce Harper said:


We all know he drafted poorly. He is gone now.


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Which is why people lamenting him getting fired is mind boggling

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1 hour ago, Bruce Harper said:


We all know he drafted poorly. He is gone now.
 

Not everyone agreed with that simple notion as recently as a week ago.  

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5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Not everyone agreed with that simple notion as recently as a week ago.  

People are still defending bums like Devin Smith

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5 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:

Would like to see how they fared and I think the commentary on their picks could be enjoyable?

They went 50-14 and won 2 Super Bowls during the Macc tenure.  I won't find it very enjoyable ripping on their draft choices in that context.

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