Popular Post jbone Posted November 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2019 Jason didn't get the no weapinz memo: https://overthecap.com/thoughts-on-the-jets-implosion/ Every time you think the Jets hit the lowest point they prove everyone wrong and sink even lower, this week hitting what seems like rock bottom in a loss against a Dolphins team that has actively tried to lose games all season long. Life as a Jets fan is just brutal right now. We have not been to the playoffs in 9 years now. The last time the Jets were in the middle of a drought this long the Empire Strikes Back was a new release. The team will not have a winning record for 4 straight seasons, the second time this decade that this has happened. It’s basically the same type of run that the team experienced in the late 80s and early 90s when the team churned through head coaches and fans showed up to games with brown bags over their heads. There is no way to sugarcoat this mess. It’s a complete and utter sh*tshow. Ownership should be embarrassed. The front office should be embarrassed. The players should be embarrassed. The fans should be embarrassed. Any sponsor of the team should be embarrassed. Hell anyone even trying to scalp a ticked on route 17 before a game should be embarrassed to charge someone a penny to watch this team play a game. The blame for this mess needs to fall squarely on ownership for not having any vision of how to run a franchise. The problems date all the way back to the day they fired general manager Mike Tannenbaum in early 2013. Tannenbaum had built the Jets best teams since the late 1990’s under Bill Parcells, but was also a victim of his own success, getting far too aggressive with trades and signings that blew up in his face and saw his team fall from contenders to an 8 and 6 win team. Letting Mike go was understandable but you need a plan when you make such a move and ownership had none. Whether ownership was simply looking for a fall guy or identified the contracts on the team as a reason to let Tannenbaum go they stuck with a head coach, Rex Ryan, who they wanted to be the face of the franchise. Thus started this strange cycle that the Jets owners would hire, with the input of consulting agencies and old NFL executives, a coach and a GM independent of one another, assume they would all hold hands with each other, execute the same vision, and deliver the Jets back to relevance. It was a disaster from day one. No candidate of note wanted to work with the Jets power structure featuring Ryan as top dog and pushing agendas on the team. That led to the team hiring Seattle’s salary cap guy, John Idzik, who was probably the team’s 4th or 5th choice at the start to replace Tannenbaum. Idzik wasn’t Tannenbaum though and didn’t have the personality to handle New York or anything else about the situation. He and Ryan more or less actively worked to undermine each other hoping one would outlast the other. Idzik pretty much alienated everyone in the Jets front office, micromanaging every aspect of the team, and firing good people within the organization. His plan, which was not that dis-similar from the Dolphins current strategy- of tearing down the old and bring in new talent was derailed when Ryan somehow got the team to 8 wins with rookie Geno Smith. When things fell apart the following year all attention turned to Ryan and he would be the guy fired except Idzik didn’t know how to let things work out on their own. Rather than finding ways to privately kill Ryan he continued to be non-accessible to most and then gave a bizarre statement on the state of the Jets that transferred all the ire of the fanbase from Ryan to him. Both were fired after that season. You would think the Jets would have learned from that mistake but they went into round two of the independent coach/GM search this time hiring Todd Bowles and Mike Maccagnan within days of each other with each reporting to ownership on their own. While they may have had different visions they at least did not publically snipe at one another. Both, however, were in way over their heads. Maccagnan in part got the position because of his scouting background and the fact that he seemingly agreed with the ownerships idea that fixing the team meant bringing back some old faces like Darrelle Revis to make people forget that the Idzik years ever happened. For one year it worked as the Jets nearly made the playoffs before midnight struck and the organization turned into a pumpkin. Maccagnan was arguably the worst general manager to get so many years to fix the Jets since at least the early 90s. He constantly missed on draft picks. He constantly fell back on his “best player available” philosophy rather than taking high valued players at positions you simply don’t find in free agency. His run in free agency was terrible. The team was unprepared and either missed out on players or paid through the nose because they had no feel for the marketplace. Maccagnan was good, however, at working the media and selling his side of the story, a trait that completely escaped Idzik. That saved him for some time even as he and the organization fired coaches and front office staff. Ownership was apparently blind to all of it when they made the biggest blunder of all- retaining Maccagnan in 2019. While the Jets were a disaster in 2018 there were bright spots. They had another top draft pick. They had a salary cap war chest at their disposal in free agency. They drafted a young quarterback with the third pick. It was the perfect time for a new beginning except ownership made the decision that Bowles would be the fall guy and this Mike would stick it out. This was just another Jets mess. They began a coaching search that identified Matt Rhule as their top candidate. All things sounded great except Mike and ownership had visions of building a coaching staff independent of Rhule. Rhule backed out and pretty much called out the Jets for blowing it. The Jets and Maccagnan, who was involved with the coaching search, then turned to Adam Gase. There was no logical reason in the world to hire Gase, whose resume was being the offensive coordinator for Peyton Manning in Denver and then being a one time playoff coach in Miami. The truth was if Gase never matched up against Bowles, who he often beat, and had a fluke win against the Patriots the Jets likely never even considered him. Gase got the job because Manning gave him a ringing endorsement and Manning, like other “consultants” ownership loves, like Charley Casserly and Bill Polian, have their own personal attachments to guys they like. Jets ownership seems blind to it despite every hire being a failure. That began what was the biggest case of mismanagement if not in NFL history than certainly Jets history. The Jets allowed Maccagnan to spend more money on free agents than anyone else in the NFL and to select a player at the top of the NFL draft. During this time Gase reportedly quietly worked to undermine Maccagnan since the team had the same independent structure. In free agency they signed Maccagnan guys like Henry Anderson and Le’veon Bell while getting Gase guys in CJ Mosley and Jamison Crowder. Still it was an unhappy marriage and they fired Maccagnan letting it officially become Gase’s team. It was quite a rise for Gase, one that probably matched that of formed Jets coach Eric Mangini who went from being fired to running an organization before getting fired again. Gase has run the organization into the ground. There is nobody on this planet that can watch any Jets game this season and say that Sam Darnold has progressed under Gase. He looks worse than he did as a rookie with Bowles and quite frankly looks like the second worst quarterback in the first round of that draft, ahead of only Josh Rosen. He makes awful decisions with the football and just seems overwhelmed. Maybe Darnold simply doesn’t have it but Gase has done him no favors with his coaching and putting Darnold in a position to succeed. It’s far worse than Ryan’s attempts to develop Mark Sanchez, the Jets last “franchise QB”. Darnold, like Sanchez, doesn’t have a ton of college experience and is incredibly young. Mentally this can be draining and they are breaking him. Gase had an opportunity with a young QB in Miami and flopped. That was Ryan Tannehill where injury excuses became the norm. Of course he then brought in his guy- Jay Cutler- and shocker of all shockers, he flopped. They brought in players he wanted like Kenny Stills and amazingly the team went nowhere. More often then not they got blown out and were not competitive. He alienated players along the way which seems to be the same thing happening in New York. Yet the Jets hired him anyway. Injury excuses have crept up everywhere. The Jets injury report this week had like 25 guys on it. The same phrase came out in so many places describing the injuries that it was clearly a leak by the Jets to get sympathy for their plight. The fact is the Jets were not even in the top 10 in salary on injured reserve. The Steelers lost Ben Roethlisberger and are 4-4. The Chiefs won a game without Patrick Mahomes and have missed offensive linemen and receivers at times. The 49ers are undefeated with numerous guys on the shelf. How often do the Patriots do it with guys down? Yes the Jets are missing a bunch of linebackers. Yes they are down one of their wide receivers. But the facts are so are most teams in the NFL. You learn to deal with these injuries. Is anyone giving the Falcons a pass for injuries? Are the Redskins getting a pass because Alex Smith suffered a gruesome injury in 2019? Those coaches were or are going to get fired because they cant work with what they have on the field. The Jets just have a bad team. They have a bad team because ownership elected to let a guy set the table who had no business being on the team in January and because they hired a coach that needed to go back to being a coordinator to re-assess how to be a head coach in this NFL. There is no bright spot for the Jets team. The QB looks blah. The high priced running back looks blah because they have no offensive line. They cant cover anyone in the secondary. They have nobody that can rush a passer. They need an entirely new offensive line. Yes all five guys. Its one of the worst rosters in the NFL featuring a few overpriced players and a QB on an affordable contract for two more years. Older fans like myself often reference the Kotite era when talking about the Jets. Kotite was an inept coach who was a bizarre hire coming off a failure with the Eagles. It was only a two year run in New York but it left such a lasting impact people to this day still talk about it. For younger fans who could not really grasp 1995 and 1996 or were simply not alive then you are now getting your Kotite. Adam Gase is Rich Kotite. It’s playing itself out on the field before your eyes. You have earned your green badge of honor suffering through this kind of season. If you were not here before welcome to Jets hell. You officially get what it means now to be a Jets fan. It is a near impossible spot for new general manager, Joe Douglas, who got the job in early June. Douglas is the only person within the organization that should be free of most of the blame for this mainly because he had little to do with it. He made a bad decision to sign Ryan Kalil to be the team’s center and may have had a role in the Osemele mess, but otherwise this is on ownership for keeping Maccagnan. Everything I have heard about Douglas from people I know has been pretty glowing. Would it be nice to have seen him in front of some of this mess the last few weeks? Yes it would have been, but at the same time I’m not sure what he could say that doesn’t come across as bashing the last GM for the team that he inherited. Douglas’ biggest challenge is what to do with Gase. Gase and Douglas share the same representation and that was supposedly a big reason why Douglas got the job. This would be an opportunity to have two guys on a similar page for the first time in a decade. Except Gase stinks and has to go. You can’t let Gase go full on Kotite and hit 96. That won’t help Douglas either and hell get a really short least with the fanbase if Gase is here next year and doesn’t start at least 4-3. If he fires Gase ownership has to let him pick his guy not another arranged marriage by the Johnsons. Challenge number two is going to be what to do in the draft. Douglas did not pick Darnold, though those two also share the same agent. Right now the Jets are slotted for the second overall pick and will have every opportunity to earn the number 1 pick. Do you encourage competition and take a QB if you are bad enough to finish with the top overall pick? That is probably a fair question. If you are set on Darnold can you turn that high pick into multiple firsts to fix the team? The team has cap room next year at $62 million and change which will rank 12th in the NFL, but that wont go so far with so many holes on the roster. They also have backed themselves into a corner with the way they have handled this Kelechi Osemele situation when it comes to free agency. Between that and how bad the team is they are going to have to continue to overpay pretty significantly to get people to come to the organization. They have a bad reputation and that doesn’t work in the NFL. They let their trade talks become public and now have an issue with Jamal Adams that is going to have to be addressed next year. Most likely he will be traded. Adams shares his thoughts on social media and clearly is unhappy with the team. My guess is it will reach a point where they simply have to move him. They reportedly asked for a lot- two first rounder’s was the initial report and now it’s grown into first rounder’s plus established offensive linemen. I don’t think they will get either next year if he begins to ask for a trade. The Jets have to find a way to fix this mess and fast. You can’t keep selling the fans on no playoffs somehow being a success simply because you stunk so bad the year before that incremental improvement is fine. Going from 4 to 6 wins is not improvement. Douglas is inheriting a mess but by 2021 this has to be a contender. If you stick with Gase it better be in 2020 because what else is he bringing to the team otherwise? The quickest way for this team to be relevant is to get a new coach who hires his own staff and answers to Douglas that can maybe catch the NFL by surprise. Turn the high draft picks, unless you are taking a QB, into multiple assets and build a real core not of safeties, linebackers, and run stuffing tackles, but of offensive linemen, pass rushers, and cornerbacks. Use whatever cap room you have to put some short term solutions on the field and then be ready to fly by 2021. The goals for ownership has to be the playoffs sooner rather than later and they have to communicate this with the fans. If they cant get there by 2021 they need a new front office. It doesn’t take that long anymore to be competitive. Whether he sticks with Gase or not or sticks with Darnold or not these are now his decisions. He’s locked into Mosley, Crowder, Bell, Enunwa, and maybe one or two others. Everyone else is on him. But he has to show major improvements to the team in the next two years and ownership has to stay out of his way. Nothing else is acceptable. It’s a nightmare and it stinks to say that most likely we have to wait to 2021 to see a quality team put on the field but the Jets cant just keep their fingers crossed about 2020 and continue to do more of the same. Its failed all of us for 8 or 9 years now. Nobody deserves another 8 or 9 years of this. 12 3 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I read this an hour ago. It's as close to a perfect synopsis as can be. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Good read. Thanks for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Truly an excellent well thought out synopsis of the last decade of Jets fandom.... Thanks for sharing the gem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 This is a good article but one glaring mistake. Douglas cant fire gase. Gase reports to the owner, not to him. Joe Douglas has no say if gase stays or goes. And i think thats a good thing cause joe and adam are buddies and i dont believe douglas would fire gase no matter how bad it gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Spot on. Douglas has one strike against him already but he might be able to erase that strike but I doubt it. That is not cashing in on Adams and Quinnen Williams at the trade deadline. He had to see this team was hopeless in many areas and his chance at a full reset was right there. I think the value of these two players will only go down from here so I doubt he can get a great deal at the draft. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Great Article. Thanks for posting it. Truly though this has been talked about on these boards for a while now. Hell the guy who wrote could have taken it almost verbatim off this site. No offense just stating the obvious. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I haven't seen anything inspiring from Douglas so far. I know he was put in a tough spot and I'm certainly not writing him off - but the little I have seen hasn't been good. Khailil signing (could have been out of desperation, so I can understand it) Not having multiple kickers in camp (probably cost them a week 1 win) Not tearing it down last week and taking your 2 #1's for QW and Adams (as Beerfish noted above) Handling of Osmele injury/surgery issue Handling this whole Adams drama Again, he was dealt a real sh--ty hand...so I'm trying hard not to judge him - but from what I've seen so far I have no reason to think he's the savior either. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Really good read. It just sucks that we are now in the position of doubting Darnold. I could deal with losing every week as long as he was progressing, performing and the offense was putting up points. Thought we had the franchise QB problem finally situated. We are so ****ed if this downward spiral continues. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: I haven't seen anything inspiring from Douglas so far. I know he was put in a tough spot and I'm certainly not writing him off - but the little I have seen hasn't been good. Khailil signing (could have been out of desperation, so I can understand it) Not having multiple kickers in camp (probably cost them a week 1 win) Not tearing it down last week and taking your 2 #1's for QW and Adams (as Beerfish noted above) Handling of Osmele injury/surgery issue Handling this whole Adams drama Again, he was dealt a real sh--ty hand...so I'm trying hard not to judge him - but from what I've seen so far I have no reason to think he's the savior either. I agree. But gase is the mastermind behind all of this. He is the dmporer, douglas is only vadar. The slate can be wiped clean if chris johnson sets up the power structure of him, then douglas, then head coach. Then we all give douglas a clean slate and get behind him 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Saul Goodman Posted November 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said: Great Article. Thanks for posting it. Truly though this has been talked about on these boards for a while now. Hell the guy who wrote could have taken it almost verbatim off this site. No offense just stating the obvious. The writer (Jason) is a long time poster on this board and JI prior to that. His site (overthecap) has taken off but he’s one of us so that’s probably why the article and talking points feel so familiar. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said: I agree. But gase is the mastermind behind all of this. He is the dmporer, douglas is only vadar. The slate can be wiped clean if chris johnson sets up the power structure of him, then douglas, then head coach. Then we all give douglas a clean slate and get behind him 100%. I am prepared to get 100% behind Douglas if Gase is gone. If Gase is here and really the puppet master then Douglas doesn't get the benefit of the doubt, if he's not strong enough to be his own man then he shouldn't be running an NFL franchise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I like that he correctly puts the onus on ownership and the structure they put in place to keep themselves incorporated in the process. The reason you end up with Gase and Maccagnan and Idzik is a continuing symptom of Woody getting snowed by Tannenbaum, and then by Rex. You can fire all the coaches and GMs you want, but until Woody and Chris excuse themselves from the day to day, it’s going to be impossible to move the team forward. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I became a Ravens fan tonight. Not as in I'm switching allegiances forever, but for this season. I can't watch the Jets as they currently are. I don't know yet if it's Gase, or Darnold, or the O-Line or just simply the incredible number of injuries that has broken this team to the point where they look so bad but I can't watch them right now. The Ravens, however, I can watch. They are what I hope this Jets team would have been this year, and maybe can become next year. Exciting young QB, well run and well-coached. Not a ton of name talent, but a lot of heart. I like KC also, and would be happy to see either of them represent the AFC this year. And if the Chargers can catch lightning in a bottle, I could root for them as well. That's pretty much where I'm at now. First time I've ever reached this point. I'll hope that Gase goes and Douglas is the real deal and we can bring in a coach who can turn this around next season. But if I'm going to watch football on the weekends right now, it can't be the Jets because whatever they are doing out there, it's not football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixhead Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Who’s to say even Joe Douglas will be a good GM? He might be a dud. I certainly hope not. But he’s new at the position and honesty he should of hired a new offensive line coach by now or only Gase can hire or fire assistants? Who knows? It didn’t take da Raiders long to get on the right track with a new head coach and GM. I just don’t know where this team is headed and still don’t know if we have anybody in management that really knows what they are doing. Sad state of affairs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Jets can create ~$80-85 million in cap room by cutting dead weight. Go out and sign the 2-3 best o-lineman in free agency. Move Edoga back to RT. Use the 2nd rounder on the best center in the draft. Use the 1st rounder on o-line too, unless Chase Young is on the board. Trade Adams for a pick that nets us a 1st round cornerback. Get a coach in here who understands how to build a real offense from the ground-up, starting with the line. Doing all that can lay a foundation for a decent team in 2-3 years. "Best player available" is BS. The essentials are QB, OL, #1 WR, Edge rush, and CB. Prioritize those, and all other positions can be filled in secondarily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 coulda stood pat and had lamar jackson, but we have captain intercepto... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 4 hours ago, T0mShane said: Woody and Chris born on 3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 4 hours ago, nycdan said: I became a Ravens fan tonight. Not as in I'm switching allegiances forever, but for this season. I can't watch the Jets as they currently are. I don't know yet if it's Gase, or Darnold, or the O-Line or just simply the incredible number of injuries that has broken this team to the point where they look so bad but I can't watch them right now. The Ravens, however, I can watch. They are what I hope this Jets team would have been this year, and maybe can become next year. Exciting young QB, well run and well-coached. Not a ton of name talent, but a lot of heart. I like KC also, and would be happy to see either of them represent the AFC this year. And if the Chargers can catch lightning in a bottle, I could root for them as well. That's pretty much where I'm at now. First time I've ever reached this point. I'll hope that Gase goes and Douglas is the real deal and we can bring in a coach who can turn this around next season. But if I'm going to watch football on the weekends right now, it can't be the Jets because whatever they are doing out there, it's not football. It is a sad, annual Jets tradition—decide who in AFC we will root for to stop the bloody Pats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 47 minutes ago, Losmeister said: coulda stood pat and had lamar jackson, but we have captain intercepto... It doesn’t matter who you have at QB if the line can’t block anyone and have a sh*t offensive scheme . You guys love looking around at teams who put there young QBs in successful situations and swear they would be the same here and it’s a false train of thought . Look at the chiefs today They didn’t miss a beat with Matt Moore who just came off his couch . That Oline and that coaching staff allows for QB’s to thrive . 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Jason is one of the best amateur cap guys around and a diehard Jets fan. This article is as devastating as it is accurate. It’s like a guy who comes in late everyday to work. Sure, a few of those days he may have a valid excuse. But the problem is the pattern. Jets have been dysfunctional for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiupeliMalamala Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Scoop24 said: It doesn’t matter who you have at QB if the line can’t block anyone and have a sh*t offensive scheme . You guys love looking around at teams who put there young QBs in successful situations and swear they would be the same here and it’s a false train of thought . Look at the chiefs today They didn’t miss a beat with Matt Moore who just came off his couch . That Oline and that coaching staff allows for QB’s to thrive . Could have stayed where you were and drafted Quentin Nelson and traded back into end of round 1, where you would have only had to move up a few spots from Rd 2 #5 to go to Rd 1 #32 and had LJax....doubtful would have ever been a thought process, but reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I turned the game off after the interception on the 2 and I missed the safety. I missed the FG as well and I'm glad I did. Watching this 2019 team elicits emotions that we all fight to avoid in every day life. The end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 8 hours ago, nycdan said: I became a Ravens fan tonight. Not as in I'm switching allegiances forever, but for this season. I can't watch the Jets as they currently are. I don't know yet if it's Gase, or Darnold, or the O-Line or just simply the incredible number of injuries that has broken this team to the point where they look so bad but I can't watch them right now. The Ravens, however, I can watch. They are what I hope this Jets team would have been this year, and maybe can become next year. Exciting young QB, well run and well-coached. Not a ton of name talent, but a lot of heart. I like KC also, and would be happy to see either of them represent the AFC this year. And if the Chargers can catch lightning in a bottle, I could root for them as well. That's pretty much where I'm at now. First time I've ever reached this point. I'll hope that Gase goes and Douglas is the real deal and we can bring in a coach who can turn this around next season. But if I'm going to watch football on the weekends right now, it can't be the Jets because whatever they are doing out there, it's not football. Remember when everyone was calling Harbaugh a loser? Yeah... that was good stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 The Dolphins could trade all their good players and try to tank because everyone was on the same page Gase and CJ was not letting JD dump any other good players because they were still trying to win, save Gase’s job and try to sell more beer at the games. That was a mistake. The Johnsons continue to make it in different forms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Lots of good points. However I feel I read a similar post here annually that talks about being at least “2 years away” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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