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Colin Cowherd killing the Giants for the Judge hire

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Heard it on the radio but if anyone has a link that would be great.  A few points I recall...

  • Giants made a panic move after Rhule was hired.  In a big market like New York where the media and fanbase perception matters, the hire may have been rushed to look like they were making an active decision in not choosing Rhule.  They weren't.  The Panthers hired the guy the Giants wanted, the hottest name in college football whose one season in the NFL was with the Giants.  Think about it, why hurry up to announce Joe Judge an hour after the Rhule announcement was made?  If Judge really was their guy why not ink him after all your interviews were done, including with Matt Rhule.....Was there competition for this Special Teams guy from New England?  Was Judge the hot commodity who was about to get away to someplace like Cleveland?  No.  He was a fallback option.  Judge would have still been there on Thursday after the Giants had concluded all of their interviews.
  • Gettleman wants a guy he can control, a guy who will be indebted to him for giving him his first Head Coach job.  McDaniels would have been a threat and pushed back on Gettleman basically saying, "I've won multiple Super Bowls, what have you guys won?  I'm going to decide how we do things here."  As Cowherd says, A+ students hang with A+ students.  'A' guys hire 'A' guys. 'B' guys like Gettleman hire 'C' guys who they can appear smarter than.  It's one of the reasons John Dorsey had Kitchens in place instead of a stronger-willed personality like Gregg Williams.  And think about Cleveland, essentially all of Baker Mayfield's advocates in that building (Dorsey who had conviction to draft him #1, Kitchens who Baker lobbied for as HC) are now gone.
  • Guys like McCarthy and Rivera didn't even want to talk to the Giants because of Gettleman.  Instead, they're going to the same division to coach the Cowboys and Redskins because they WANT to face the Giants twice per year.
  • Regarding Judge, Cowherd says to look at Belichick's coaching tree.  Guys don't have success when they leave (Charlie Weiss, Crennel as a HC, Mangini, etc.).  Judge may not be any different because being near a genius for 8 years doesn't automatically turn you into a genius.  Cowherd says he could spend a decade working with Elon Musk, it wouldn't make him smart enough to create an innovative company and change the world.  Belichick is a genius and control guy, not a mentor or teacher......that's the difference with someone like Andy Reid whose assistants have gone on to better success in the NFL, guys like Doug Pederson, Frank Reich, etc.

Cowherd made a very convincing argument that the Giants have egg on their face over this whole search, especially in a year when there really wasn't a ton of competition or a lot of HC openings as compared to other seasons (5 this year, 7 last year).  And, in a division where two other teams hired their coaches before you did you became the bridesmaid and not the bride.  In an offseason where two division foes hire two experienced coaches that have taken teams to the Super Bowl and you lost out on the thee hot name in the college coaching ranks, you end up hiring a Coordinator from the Patriots....and it's not even Josh McDaniels. Cowherd was killing them.

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"Guys like McCarthy and Rivera didn't even want to talk to the Giants because of Gettleman.  Instead, they're going to the same division to coach the Cowboys and Redskins because they WANT to face the Giants twice per year."

Guys like McCarthy and Rivera just got canned from good organizations both during the season.  They went to work for Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder two of the worst human beings let alone owners in the NFL.  Granted Ross and Johnson would make the top 10 list. 

 

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9 minutes ago, Maxta_p said:

The giants were already in negotiations with judge yesterday. They cancelled their interview with Rhule because they knew they were hiring Judge

that's what the midgets WANT us to think.  think about it:  WHY would they rush to announce this 1 hr after the Rhule announcement?  they still had interviews lined up.  makes no sense.  they care how they look / how they are perceived and knew they would get slaughtered.

boy, this day just keeps getting better and better!

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Gettleman wants a guy he can control, a guy who will be indebted to him for giving him his first Head Coach job.  McDaniels would have been a threat and pushed back on Gettleman basically saying, "I've won multiple Super Bowls, what have you guys won?  

 

2 against you

 

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4 minutes ago, slowmoe57 said:

Gettleman wants a guy he can control, a guy who will be indebted to him for giving him his first Head Coach job.  McDaniels would have been a threat and pushed back on Gettleman basically saying, "I've won multiple Super Bowls, what have you guys won?  

 

2 against you

 

Ha!

100% true....but that wasn't Gettleman running the Giants then.

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41 minutes ago, section314 said:

Cowherd ever hear of Bill O'Brien and Mike Vrabel? They're doing ok. Or Flores, the guy who got 5 wins out of the Dolphins, and held the great McDaniels O in check? Cowherd is a tool of the highest order.

2018 Miami Dolphins 7 and 9

2018 New York Jets 4 and 12

 

2019 Miami Dolphins 5 and 11

2019 New York Jets 7 and 9

 

Yet everyone is saying Adam Gase is terrible and Brian Flores is amazing. This all has to play out, but writing off Gase when the Jets went 6 and 2 down the stretch isn't giving the guy enough rope imo.

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52 minutes ago, Maxta_p said:

The giants were already in negotiations with judge yesterday. They cancelled their interview with Rhule because they knew they were hiring Judge

In a word.....NO. They wanted Rhule but the Panthers would not let him leave without a signed deal. Rhule asked the Giants if they would match ( not exceed) the Panthers offer. Giants declined the 7 year deal and he signed with Panthers.

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31 minutes ago, Maxman said:

2018 Miami Dolphins 7 and 9

2018 New York Jets 4 and 12

 

2019 Miami Dolphins 5 and 11

2019 New York Jets 7 and 9

 

Yet everyone is saying Adam Gase is terrible and Brian Flores is amazing. This all has to play out, but writing off Gase when the Jets went 6 and 2 down the stretch isn't giving the guy enough rope imo.

I agree, but my post was not a knock at Gase, but  a response that none of the Belichick tree of coaches have done anything. Miami was not supposed to win a game for 2 years. Not only that, but Flores beating them the last day of the season made them play a WC game and hastened their demise.?

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I agree that the reactionary announcement of the hiring makes them look weak.

That said, Tepper went balls to the wall for the Giants first choice. Seriously, I like Rhule but giving a rookie HC with one year of NFL experience as an assistant OL coach a 7 year $60 million deal is bonkers. Tepper made him an offer he couldn't refuse and an offer the Giants wouldn't match.

Frankly, keeping Gettleman feels a lot like the Jets keeping Rex in 2013. The best and brightest didn't want to be saddled with the guy, so we ended up with Idzik and the Giants ended up with a special teams coach from the Pats.

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3 hours ago, Biggs said:

"Guys like McCarthy and Rivera didn't even want to talk to the Giants because of Gettleman.  Instead, they're going to the same division to coach the Cowboys and Redskins because they WANT to face the Giants twice per year."

Guys like McCarthy and Rivera just got canned from good organizations both during the season.  They went to work for Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder two of the worst human beings let alone owners in the NFL.  Granted Ross and Johnson would make the top 10 list. 

 

Yeah, but Rivera is a genuinely good guy and decent coach who was fired because Cam is broken. so....ok. 

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3 hours ago, Maxman said:

2018 Miami Dolphins 7 and 9

2018 New York Jets 4 and 12

 

2019 Miami Dolphins 5 and 11

2019 New York Jets 7 and 9

 

Yet everyone is saying Adam Gase is terrible and Brian Flores is amazing. This all has to play out, but writing off Gase when the Jets went 6 and 2 down the stretch isn't giving the guy enough rope imo.

This post made me think of a nickname for Gase...  He's Adam "7 and 9" Gase!

:-)

 

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Just now, jgb said:

Brah, if you can’t see the house you are in, it is glass.

I think you should try to enjoy being a football fan more. 

We all know the Jets are a bad franchise. 

There's no reason not to enjoy the Giants actually being worse than us over the last 7 years. 

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2 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I think you should try to enjoy being a football fan more. 

We all know the Jets are a bad franchise. 

There's no reason not to enjoy the Giants actually being worse than us over the last 7 years. 

I enjoy football immensely and haven’t been disappointed with the Jets in 21 years. I’ll stick with my highly enjoyable method thanks.

And being happy that our lowest-quartile team is not as bad as another lower-quartile team? Sorry, I need more than that to get personally invested in the Jets, again.

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Just now, jgb said:

I enjoy football immensely and haven’t been disappointed with the Jets in 21 years. I’ll stick with my highly enjoyable method thanks.

And I'll continue to mock the Giants for somehow sucking more than us and not worry about the invisible "glass house" that I apparently occupy. 

Thanks. 

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1 minute ago, slimjasi said:

And I'll continue to mock the Giants for somehow sucking more than us and not worry about the invisible "glass house" that I apparently occupy. 

Thanks. 

Cool enjoy being happy that our bottom 5 team is slightly less embarrassing than another bottom 5 team. Wake me up when we aren’t a joke. Don’t care about any other franchise.

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1 minute ago, jgb said:

Cool enjoy being happy that our bottom 5 team is slightly less embarrassing than another bottom 5 team. Wake me up when we aren’t a joke. Don’t care about any other franchise.

BTW, there were 10 teams with a worse record than our "bottom 5" team. 

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